Why do astronauts on board ISS float around

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #240 on: January 09, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
More wiki-spam from the Clown-Derf Slapstick Posse.

You all blather on & on & on & on...

But none of you explain this:



You think you do...

But you really, REALLY don't.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #241 on: January 09, 2016, 11:32:51 AM »
I just did, its an elliptical orbit.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #242 on: January 09, 2016, 11:37:24 AM »
Incorrect.

You just copy-pasted nonsense.

Try again, Buffalo Bill.

Explain this:



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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #243 on: January 09, 2016, 11:38:42 AM »
Your just saying I'm wrong with no justification. I gave an answer.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #244 on: January 09, 2016, 11:43:18 AM »
Incorrect.

You just copy-pasted nonsense.

Try again, Buffalo Bill.

Explain this:



Look a bit closer, eh?

Getting boring...

Why aren't you banned for admitting to being a sock-puppet again?

Perhaps you could send me another abusive PM to explain why?
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #245 on: January 09, 2016, 11:44:42 AM »
An admin needs to delete the last 5 posts.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #246 on: January 09, 2016, 11:47:39 AM »
An admin needs to ban you.

For being a self-confessed sock-puppet & sending me abusive PMs.

Now; explain what this represents IN YOUR OWN WORDS:



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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #247 on: January 09, 2016, 11:49:38 AM »
We know we can't explain it to you because your too stupid, but to those who aren't, here is the answer.

Once the rocket is in a circular orbit of the earth, it burns prograde to make it's orbit path elliptical and intersect with the moons orbit, when the rocket gets near the moon it is captured by the moons gravity, the rocket then burns retrograde so that is slows down so it goes into a circular orbit of the moon.

Does a prograde burn not make a circular orbit more elliptical.

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Prograde-the direction the rocket is currently moving
Retrograde-the opposite direction to prograde.
Burns (direction)- fires the engine to accelerate (direction)
Those are my own words.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #248 on: January 09, 2016, 11:57:39 AM »
Those are my own words.
Great.

And these are mine:

An admin needs to ban you.

For being a self-confessed sock-puppet & sending me abusive PMs.


Now; explain what this represents IN YOUR OWN WORDS:


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #249 on: January 09, 2016, 12:17:06 PM »
We know we can't explain it to you because your too stupid, but to those who aren't, here is the answer.

Once the rocket is in a circular orbit of the earth, it burns prograde to make it's orbit path elliptical and intersect with the moons orbit, when the rocket gets near the moon it is captured by the moons gravity, the rocket then burns retrograde so that is slows down so it goes into a circular orbit of the moon.

Does a prograde burn not make a circular orbit more elliptical.

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Prograde-the direction the rocket is currently moving
Retrograde-the opposite direction to prograde.
Burns (direction)- fires the engine to accelerate (direction)
Those are my own words.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #250 on: January 09, 2016, 12:24:35 PM »
That's all Legba does. If he annoys you, don't bother debating with him. Block him, move on.

He spent a couple of pages refusing to answer a yes-or-no question a while back, you're not going to get any actual debate out of him. He's a troll.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #251 on: January 09, 2016, 12:27:23 PM »
Why hasn't he been banned?

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #252 on: January 09, 2016, 12:38:33 PM »
Why hasn't he been banned?
Says the self-confessed sock-puppet who sends me abusive PMs!

LOL!!!

He's a troll.
No; I'm a troll-destroyer.

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Now; anyone care to hazard a guess as to what this represents?



As 'orbital mechanics' do not exist & all 'shpayze-ecksplurayshun' is Fake, it must be something else...

What could it be?
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #253 on: January 09, 2016, 12:46:22 PM »
Why hasn't he been banned?

Have you seen the mod standards on this site?

Just block him. You don't see his posts, there's no need to respond. It's quite amusing to imagine him shouting into the void.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #254 on: January 09, 2016, 01:01:01 PM »
It's quite amusing to imagine him shouting into the void.
Oh, but I'm not 'shouting into the void', am I?

That's why you want rid of me so badly!


Now; as 'orbital mechanics' & 'shpayze ecksplurayshun' are both Lies, what does this Truly represent?



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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #255 on: January 09, 2016, 02:05:40 PM »
I have a question that I don't know the answer to. Maybe one of you space cowboys can answer it for me. NASA say,"Once in Earth orbit, the last stage of the Saturn rocket fires, boosting the Apollo spacecraft and its three-man crew into its flight trajectory to the moon." Okay they fire the last stage of a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the moon. My question is, how come when they leave the moon's orbit they don't need to fire a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the earth.
They do need a big rocket, just not nearly as big as the one that got them there.

It doesn't have to be as big for two reasons:

1. It takes less thrust to accelerate a given mass away from the Moon than from the Earth because the Moon is much less massive.

2. The CSM's engine doesn't have to accelerate nearly as much mass as the S-IVB had to. At TLI, the S-IVB's J-2 engine had to lift the Command Module with three astronauts and provisions for more than a week, the fully-fueled Service Module, and the fully-fueled LM with its tools, fuel, and supplies and the S-IVB stage itself with a partial fuel load. When leaving lunar orbit, the Service Propulsion System (the CSM's AJ-10 engine) had to lift the Command Module with three astronauts and provisions for three days plus a few hundred pounds of samples, and the Service Module with its partially-depleted fuel supply (probably about half at the start of the insertion burn, but that's a guess). Everything else was left behind or consumed.

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NASA says,"Upon return to Earth, the command and service modules separate, leaving the command module to plunge into the Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 25,000 mph." I've looked at the command and service module and I don't see anything that looks like the last stage of a Saturn rocket.


It may be small compared to a J-2, but that's still a pretty honkin' big rocket compared to the size of the craft it's bolted to.

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Wouldn't they need the same power to get to earth as it does to get to the moon?
Nope. See above.

According to Wikipedia, the SM's AJ10-137 engine has about 9% as much thrust as the S-IVB's J-2 engine (91 kN vs 1001 kN).

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Another thing, Look a the command module, how does that thing enter the earth's atmosphere perfectly with the shield pointing down and not tumbling every which way and not burning up?
Careful design, planning, and execution. They had very good rocket scientists and aerospace engineers working on it, and a well-trained crew aboard.

[Edit] Oops.. forgot the S-IVB in the list of things the S-IVB had to move but the SPS didn't.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #256 on: January 09, 2016, 02:14:13 PM »
Your just saying I'm wrong with no justification. I gave an answer.
You gave an answer that explains nothing. It does not fit that diagram  at all. What you see is a sling shot. It's a sling shot.
Tell me how the sling shot works.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #257 on: January 09, 2016, 02:45:13 PM »
I can draw a picture that shows a car working by having a small person inside turning the wheels, that doesn't mean that's how cars work.

No scientists will say that rockets get to the moon by sling shot. Once the ship is in low earth orbit, it accelerates prograde, this changes the orbit path to an ellipse, which intersects with the orbit of the moon.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #258 on: January 09, 2016, 03:06:23 PM »
I have a question that I don't know the answer to. Maybe one of you space cowboys can answer it for me. NASA say,"Once in Earth orbit, the last stage of the Saturn rocket fires, boosting the Apollo spacecraft and its three-man crew into its flight trajectory to the moon." Okay they fire the last stage of a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the moon. My question is, how come when they leave the moon's orbit they don't need to fire a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the earth.
They do need a big rocket, just not nearly as big as the one that got them there.

It doesn't have to be as big for two reasons:

1. It takes less thrust to accelerate a given mass away from the Moon than from the Earth because the Moon is much less massive.

2. The CSM's engine doesn't have to accelerate nearly as much mass as the S-IVB had to. At TLI, the S-IVB's J-2 engine had to lift the Command Module with three astronauts and provisions for more than a week, the fully-fueled Service Module, and the fully-fueled LM with its tools, fuel, and supplies and the S-IVB stage itself with a partial fuel load. When leaving lunar orbit, the Service Propulsion System (the CSM's AJ-10 engine) had to lift the Command Module with three astronauts and provisions for three days plus a few hundred pounds of samples, and the Service Module with its partially-depleted fuel supply (probably about half at the start of the insertion burn, but that's a guess). Everything else was left behind or consumed.

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NASA says,"Upon return to Earth, the command and service modules separate, leaving the command module to plunge into the Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 25,000 mph." I've looked at the command and service module and I don't see anything that looks like the last stage of a Saturn rocket.


It may be small compared to a J-2, but that's still a pretty honkin' big rocket compared to the size of the craft it's bolted to.

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Wouldn't they need the same power to get to earth as it does to get to the moon?
Nope. See above.

According to Wikipedia, the SM's AJ10-137 engine has about 9% as much thrust as the S-IVB's J-2 engine (91 kN vs 1001 kN).

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Another thing, Look a the command module, how does that thing enter the earth's atmosphere perfectly with the shield pointing down and not tumbling every which way and not burning up?
Careful design, planning, and execution. They had very good rocket scientists and aerospace engineers working on it, and a well-trained crew aboard.

[Edit] Oops.. forgot the S-IVB in the list of things the S-IVB had to move but the SPS didn't.


This is the insides of the service module. I don't see much in the line of fuel. So, you are saying that once it leaves the moon the inertia will carry it 238,900 mi. to earth and how do they steer this thing towards earth? It doesn't show any rockets to steer it by.


Careful design, planning, and execution. They had very good rocket scientists and aerospace engineers working on it, and a well-trained crew aboard.

But what keeps it from wobbling when it enters earth's atmosphere. It stays at the perfect angle as it is coming in and the shield is hot enough to melt butter and then it deploys parachutes for a soft landing in the water and then it deploys a tubular life raft around the thing to keep it from sinking. Like this picture shows.
 
My question is, where do they keep this inflatable raft so it doesn't get burned up? You can see it is attached right at the part that is going to get pretty darn hot.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #259 on: January 09, 2016, 03:08:25 PM »
I can draw a picture that shows a car working by having a small person inside turning the wheels, that doesn't mean that's how cars work.

No scientists will say that rockets get to the moon by sling shot. Once the ship is in low earth orbit, it accelerates prograde, this changes the orbit path to an ellipse, which intersects with the orbit of the moon.
How about, in nice simple easy for a child to understand, words, you explain how this prograde acceleration works to sling shot/alter/manoeuvre this spacecraft so that it takes a virtual straight trajectory to the moon like in that penis and balls diagram that NASA are literally taking the piss with.

No silliness and expecting people know the mumbo jumbo. Just explain what happens.

I'll try and help you out in how best to explain.

I'm whizzing around the wall of death on my motorbike. I'm accelerating, then all of a sudden an obstacle protrudes from the side wall and I deflect off of it with my bike. I deflect up and out of the wall of death container and into the air.
If there was a dangling moon above me, you could say I hit it.

Let's say I'm playing swing ball. I keep batting the ball on the string, faster and faster until the string snaps. My ball then launches into a straight line from wherever it snapped.


I'm using atmosphere from which you have none, other than this gravity/centripetal force kind of thing and a weak moon gravity as we get told.

You're fine to call me as many names as you want to but at least explain this magic for me.
Prograde acceleration that takes a craft out of orbit and near straight as a dick to the moon.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #260 on: January 09, 2016, 03:56:02 PM »
When did I call you names, your the one resorting to profanity.
And I can't explain  it simply enough for a child, it is fairly compacted.
In the picture that path isn't a straight line, its an elliptical curve.
Conics curves are circles, ellipses, parabolas and hyperbolas. The path of an orbit will always be one of these curves, with a focus if the curve being the position of the planet. The prove of this is to complex for me to put here, if you want to argue this point look up the maths behind it and try and find something wrong with it.
When the ship is going in a circle path, it accelerates in the direction it is going, this causes the orbit path to change from a circle to an ellipse, the ship has to accelerate at the right time and amount so that the ellipse orbit will go past the moon. When the ship gets to the moon, it slows down relative to the moon, so that it starts orbiting it.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #261 on: January 09, 2016, 04:06:39 PM »
When did I call you names, your the one resorting to profanity.
In the picture that path isn't a straight line, its an elliptical curve.
Conics curves are circles, ellipses, parabolas and hyperbolas. The path of an orbit will always be one of these curves, with a focus if the curve being the position of the planet. The prove of this is to complex for me to put here, if you want to argue this point look up the maths behind it and try and find something wrong with it.
When the ship is going in a circle path, it accelerates in the direction it is going, this causes the orbit path to change from a circle to an ellipse, the ship has to accelerate at the right time and amount so that the ellipse orbit will go past the moon. When the ship gets to the moon, it slows down relative to the moon, so that it starts orbiting it.
So what you're saying is, the spaceship slingshot's outwards upon acceleration but in doing so it's like a baseball pitcher throwing a sort of curve ball towards the bat?

Basically you''re saying that I can swing a ball (spaceship) around my head and then let go so it arc's into the air and comes back down behind a football 50 yards away?

What snaps the string on acceleration for it to do this bendy trajectory?
Who put's the pitcher curve on it to do this deed?

Here's where the problem lies. Think about this.
If that space  ship is WHIZZING around the Earth at 25,000 mph as it accelerated, then even if it widened it's orbit, it would still be whizzing around the Earth in a wider orbit all the time and could not just do a 240,000 mile bendy curve ball behind the moon trick.

How in the hell are you people believing this crap?

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #262 on: January 09, 2016, 04:18:38 PM »
Its nothing like a baseball pitcher, because a baseball will always have gravity pulling it in the same direction. The ship with have the direction of gravity changing as it moves.
And a string isn't a proper analogy, the string stops an object getting any futher than a set distance, gravity doesn't do that.
When it goes between the moon and the earth it is still in an orbit, and elliptical one.

This is an elliptical orbit.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #263 on: January 09, 2016, 04:23:42 PM »
Yes, I know what an elliptical orbit looks like on a diagram.
It's  not explaining this, so how about you explain how this happens.


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #264 on: January 09, 2016, 04:32:25 PM »
The circle around the earth is a circular orbit, the path between the earth and moon is a section of an elliptical curve around the earth, untill near the moon, when the rocket changes it's trajectory to a elliptic orbit around the moon, which is then stabilized to a circular orbit around the moon.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #265 on: January 09, 2016, 04:59:29 PM »
The circle around the earth is a circular orbit, the path between the earth and moon is a section of an elliptical curve around the earth, untill near the moon, when the rocket changes it's trajectory to a elliptic orbit around the moon, which is then stabilized to a circular orbit around the moon.

You think you're 'explaining' things, but you're just stringing words together.

It's pretty sad.

You may as well say: 'Santa accelerates to every house in his Sleigh, stops via a retrograde reindeer-burn, climbs down the chimney, eats milk & cookies & leaves presents, depending on who's been Naughty or Nice, then re-climbs the chimney, accelerates his sleigh again via a booster reindeer burn, and repeats the process until all presents are delivered'.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #266 on: January 09, 2016, 05:00:06 PM »
The circle around the earth is a circular orbit, the path between the earth and moon is a section of an elliptical curve around the earth, untill near the moon, when the rocket changes it's trajectory to a elliptic orbit around the moon, which is then stabilized to a circular orbit around the moon.
Forget around the moon. I want to know about the slight bend in the penis before we even reach the balls.
I need to know how the rocket does a one and a half turn around the bell end to then bend along the shaft on the penis to the moon balls.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #267 on: January 09, 2016, 05:01:36 PM »
The circle around the earth is a circular orbit, the path between the earth and moon is a section of an elliptical curve around the earth, untill near the moon, when the rocket changes it's trajectory to a elliptic orbit around the moon, which is then stabilized to a circular orbit around the moon.

You think you're 'explaining' things, but you're just stringing words together.

It's pretty sad.

You may as well say: 'Santa accelerates to every house in his Sleigh, stops via a retrograde reindeer-burn, climbs down the chimney, eats milk & cookies & leaves presents, depending on who's been Naughty or Nice, then re-climbs the chimney, accelerates his sleigh again via a booster reindeer burn, and repeats the process until all presents are delivered'.

Toodle-pip, Chris Cringle!
  ;D Yep, that's exactly what's  happening. It's frigging hard to get a simple explanation out of these people.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #268 on: January 09, 2016, 05:09:55 PM »
Im sorry but physics isn't simple, I know you want to be special and be the only person knowing real physics, so you create your made up simple physics. But thats no how the real world works. Again, I sorry.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #269 on: January 09, 2016, 05:20:28 PM »
Im sorry but physics isn't simple, I know you want to be special and be the only person knowing real physics, so you create your made up simple physics. But thats no how the real world works. Again, I sorry.
That is how the real world works. The world works in simple ways. It's just made into gobbledegook so people cannot fathom just how simple it is.

The bullshit is what keeps the elites from the downtrodden. The tricksters who ask you which cup the ball is in and show you how easy it is to pick, until you pick the empty cup.
Manipulation and sleight of hand.
Stand back and take your time to decipher the bullshit then the sleight of hand and you start to see the pattern.

If you want 1+1 to equal 2 then have a reason for it to do that. If you find that 1+1 does not equal 2 according to a physics professor, then ask yourself if there's a physical end product to that calculation. If you find there is only a theory as an end product, then discard it and stick to the reality which can be physically calculated.