Why do astronauts on board ISS float around

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #210 on: January 09, 2016, 05:34:26 AM »
Sceptimatic - the swing ball is an analogy. Learn what that means. There is no literal string.

The string represents the force of gravity ( or acceleration due to gravity if we want to be exact). If there are any other forces acting on the spacecraft then the net force will determine the acceleration and in what direction. Simple case of of vector mathematics.

So when the rocket engine is fired an additional force is imparted on the rocket (in addition to gravity). This additional force in the case of TLI was used to accelerate the orbital speed creating an elliptical orbit that had its apogee intersecting the moons orbit.
How about you explain how they managed to do this.



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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #211 on: January 09, 2016, 05:34:39 AM »
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Rayzor calls me a troll, but his last 5 posts on this thread are zero-content derailing.


Sorry,  did I interrupt your goat fantasy,  and no thanks,  I don't wish to know details. 

Have you never seen a gantry crane before?    They are used for lifting and moving things...  Can you see it now?   

poor blind voodoo fruitcake..   


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #212 on: January 09, 2016, 05:46:10 AM »
LOL!!!

Rayzor calls me a troll, but his last 5 posts on this thread are zero-content derailing.

Now; mainframes says this rocket is clamped to a gantry.

I see no evidence of this.

Who is right?

Lastly; just look at this 'spayzze-shipp', floating around magically suspended by absolutely nothing:



Suspended by nothing - other than the gantry that it is clamped to...?

Trip to the optician perhaps in order?

Come on, shpayze-tards; point out them 'clamps' to me!

The massive yellow cone shaped one at the top for instance?
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #213 on: January 09, 2016, 05:47:53 AM »
I'd still like to know how the moon astronauts floated inside their space ship on the way to the moon. How did they float and for what reason?

On the way to the moon the forces that are acting on the spacecraft are exactly the same as those acting on the astronauts. Therefore they will be accelerating in exactly the same direction and magnitude as the spacecraft. This means that the astronauts will be free to float inside.

Nothing about this is hard.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #214 on: January 09, 2016, 06:00:32 AM »
Apollo was in orbit around the earth. The trans lunar injection pushed the spacecraft into an elliptical orbit that intersects the moon.
Well let's see if we can clear a few things up.
I recall Gene Cernan mention that they orbited the Earth about one and a half times, then off on a trajectory towards the moon.
Ok, I can accept this bit for the sake of it.
How fast was the orbit around the Earth for that one and a half times?...any idea?
Pretty dam fast, but the whole "object in motion remains in motion" thing means that you don't feel velocity, only acceleration.

There really isn't a force that causes the astronauts to float. It just that there is no relative acceleration between them and the ship. When the engines are on they aren't weightless, because the ship is then accelerating.

Think about it this way, when you jump out of a plane with weighing scales at your feet, your weight will be zero, because you are accelerating downwards at the same rate as the scales.
Now imagine an astronaut in the iss with scales. He puts the scales at his feet, again because both the person and the scales are accelerating at the same rate, he weighs nothing.
If anyone doesn't understand, say which way the astronaut should weight, should he weigh downwards(towards earth), forwards (direction the iss is going), or backwards or upwards.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #215 on: January 09, 2016, 06:05:15 AM »
And about how the rocket gets to the moon, it changes it's orbit to be an ellipse around the earth the intersects with the moon.
And did someone say that a helicopter hovering should be moving because it's no longer rotating with the earth, do you know what inertia is?

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #216 on: January 09, 2016, 06:23:01 AM »
LOL!!!

Rayzor calls me a troll, but his last 5 posts on this thread are zero-content derailing.

Now; mainframes says this rocket is clamped to a gantry.

I see no evidence of this.

Who is right?

Lastly; just look at this 'spayzze-shipp', floating around magically suspended by absolutely nothing:



Suspended by nothing - other than the gantry that it is clamped to...?

Trip to the optician perhaps in order?

Come on, shpayze-tards; point out them 'clamps' to me!

The massive yellow cone shaped one at the top for instance?
Yeah; that's a 'clamp'?

So it's SUSPENDED FROM the gantry, then?

Not what you originally said is it, Walt?

You said it was CLAMPED TO the gantry...


Have you never seen a gantry crane before?    They are used for lifting and moving things...  Can you see it now? 
Oh, so it's a gantry-CRANE now?

Again; not what was originally stated...

So now, rather than being CLAMPED TO THE GANTRY, it's SUSPENDED FROM THE GANTRY-CRANE...

The story-telling evolves!

And yes, I do see it; flimsy thing ain't it?.

And I also see your multi-billion dollar shpayze-ship is slung from that ONE flimsy beam by at most TWO cables.

So ONE failure anywhere in the system would result in disaster.

Not much redundancy there, eh?

Could NASA not afford a more secure attachment system?

Or did they not care, because it is a stage-prop?

Pathetic...

Oh, & 'Empirical'; stop double-shitposting, eh?

It makes you look even creepier than you are.

Which is already VERY creepy indeed, fyi.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #217 on: January 09, 2016, 06:47:42 AM »
A mod or admin needs to delete the above post for derailing and low content.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #218 on: January 09, 2016, 07:05:42 AM »
And you need to be banned for being a self-confessed sock-puppet.

As well as for sending me abusive PMs too, I imagine?

Dunno; as nobody round here follows the rules & regs I ain't read em...

Never will, either.

Anyhoo; scepti has a question for you:

How about you explain how they managed to do this.



I know exactly how they 'did' this.

I also know WHY...

Cos Legba sees all voodoo; and that is big-time voodoo right there.

But what do you shpayze-tards have to say?

'Trans-Lunar Injection'; LOL!!!
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #219 on: January 09, 2016, 07:49:58 AM »
A mod or admin needs to delete the above post for derailing and low content.
For some reason they like papa spamming the shit out of every thread - I put him on ignore, but he still clutters everything up with his endless crap.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #220 on: January 09, 2016, 07:50:58 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #221 on: January 09, 2016, 07:57:56 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #222 on: January 09, 2016, 08:05:09 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #223 on: January 09, 2016, 08:06:47 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #224 on: January 09, 2016, 08:08:28 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



I don't see a slingshot anywhere.

Get into low earth orbit and the alter that orbit to a highly elliptical orbit by firing the engine again.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #225 on: January 09, 2016, 08:09:44 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.

CGI in 1969? Pfffft.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #226 on: January 09, 2016, 08:10:34 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.
Well at least you're waking up.

Ok, so now we have cleared this up, what is next on the list?

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #227 on: January 09, 2016, 08:11:09 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



I don't see a slingshot anywhere.

Get into low earth orbit and the alter that orbit to a highly elliptical orbit by firing the engine again.
So you keep going around the Earth wider and wider. Is this what you're saying because this diagram does not show this.

Explain it to me.

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #228 on: January 09, 2016, 08:13:24 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.
Well at least you're waking up.

Ok, so now we have cleared this up, what is next on the list?
The explanation for the bullshit of how they got to the moon because people still believe they went, even if you have woken up but are believing that your sarcasm is gaining you brownie points among your like - minded globalists.  :P

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #229 on: January 09, 2016, 08:13:56 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work.
Why not recommend playing Halo to prove we live on a disc?

Retard.

Oh, and I'm not a flat earther, so stop the Psychic Driving.

]Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.




Good question - how DID they do that?


They didn't
LOL!!!

Bottle's gone!

I don't see a slingshot anywhere. 
Teh lulz!

What DO you see then?

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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #230 on: January 09, 2016, 08:16:43 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.

CGI in 1969? Pfffft.

Valid point.


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #231 on: January 09, 2016, 08:18:32 AM »
How about you explain how they managed to do this.


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Managed to do what? We've already gone over the getting to the Moon part. The rest is similar; they fire a rocket motor to change from one orbit to another.

The TLI burn of the S-IVB put the craft in an elliptical orbit that intersects the Moon's orbit (lower left part of your diagram).  As it nears the Moon, this orbit is perturbed by the Moon's gravity; for the early Apollo lunar missions, the orbit was designed so that, after passing the Moon, if nothing was done, the new orbit, after being influenced by the Moon's gravity, would return the craft to the Earth along a favorable trajectory - the free-return trajectory[nb]The calculations necessary to design this are not trivial, but could be done, even using "only" the computing power available in the '60s.[/nb]. As it was, a Lunar Orbit Injection burn of the Command Module's main engine was accomplished, which altered the orbit enough so that the craft entered an elliptical orbit about the Moon (larger loop, lower right), clockwise in the diagram then another burn to maneuver into the desired low circular orbit (the smaller loop inside larger loop around the Moon, still at lower right).

A few days later, the craft is still orbiting the Moon (still clockwise, of course, at upper right in this drawing), after the Moon moved partway around its orbit around the Earth while at the same time the CM is orbiting the Moon. The diagram is showing the location of the Moon at approximate times of arrival and departure, but not the time between; is that confusing you?

The CM's main engine is fired again to accelerate the craft away from the Moon (upper right, just below the Moon in the drawing) and into an orbit that intercepts the Earth's outer atmosphere (left, above earth in the drawing), which slows the craft as it passes around the planet until it is traveling slow enough to deploy parachutes and make a soft landing in the ocean (far left of the drawing).

In addition, the diagram shows the lander's path from lunar orbit to the surface and back.

Keep in mind that the drawing is schematic; it isn't to scale.

Does that help?
 
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #232 on: January 09, 2016, 08:32:08 AM »
Cool story bro.

It had Rockets in vacuums, Command Modules, Trans-Lunar Injection Burns & all sortsa other sci-fi techno-babble...

But now, please stop copy-pasting wikipedia/nasa.gov bullshit & just answer scepti's question:

How about you explain how they managed to do this.



You won't.

Cos you can't.

Cos it never happened.

Cos it's impossible sci-fi bullshit...

But still; entertain us, eh?
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #233 on: January 09, 2016, 10:15:40 AM »
I have a question that I don't know the answer to. Maybe one of you space cowboys can answer it for me. NASA say,"Once in Earth orbit, the last stage of the Saturn rocket fires, boosting the Apollo spacecraft and its three-man crew into its flight trajectory to the moon." Okay they fire the last stage of a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the moon. My question is, how come when they leave the moon's orbit they don't need to fire a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the earth. NASA says,"Upon return to Earth, the command and service modules separate, leaving the command module to plunge into the Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 25,000 mph." I've looked at the command and service module and I don't see anything that looks like the last stage of a Saturn rocket. Wouldn't they need the same power to get to earth as it does to get to the moon? Another thing, Look a the command module, how does that thing enter the earth's atmosphere perfectly with the shield pointing down and not tumbling every which way and not burning up?
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2016, 10:28:19 AM »
I have a question that I don't know the answer to. Maybe one of you space cowboys can answer it for me. NASA say,"Once in Earth orbit, the last stage of the Saturn rocket fires, boosting the Apollo spacecraft and its three-man crew into its flight trajectory to the moon." Okay they fire the last stage of a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the moon. My question is, how come when they leave the moon's orbit they don't need to fire a big rocket to put them into flight trajectory to the earth. NASA says,"Upon return to Earth, the command and service modules separate, leaving the command module to plunge into the Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 25,000 mph." I've looked at the command and service module and I don't see anything that looks like the last stage of a Saturn rocket. Wouldn't they need the same power to get to earth as it does to get to the moon? Another thing, Look a the command module, how does that thing enter the earth's atmosphere perfectly with the shield pointing down and not tumbling every which way and not burning up?

Again, good questions Yendor. But don't forget to include this diagram, so we all know exactly what we are referring to:



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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2016, 10:50:26 AM »
The part of any space fight that takes the most energy is getting into low earth orbit, getting back to earth is controlled falling.

The amount of fuel needed increases exponentially with distance, the simple reason is that as you add more fuel, the rocket get heavier so you get less distance out of the fuel. So halving the distance reduces the fuel needed by a lot more than a half.
So when your returning from the moon, the rocket weights a lot less, and when returning to earth you have gravity on your side, so you don't need a very large engine.

And someone mentioned Kerbal Space Program, a lot things aren't realistic (it is a game) but it is correct on how orbits work.
I you want to know how space ships get to the moon, download the demo. It uses the patched conic approximation if anyone wants to know how it works.

Video showing how you get to the mun in the game.


And to answer the question, once the rocket is in a circular orbit, it burns prograde to make it's orbit path elliptical and intersect with the moons orbit, when the rocket gets near the moon it is captured by the moons gravity, the rocket then burns retrograde so that is slows down so it goes into a  circular orbit of the moon.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2016, 10:57:07 AM »
The part of any space fight that takes the most energy is getting into low earth orbit, getting back to earth is controlled falling.

The amount of fuel needed increases exponentially with distance, the simple reason is that as you add more fuel, the rocket get heavier so you get less distance out of the fuel. So halfing the distance reduces the fuel needed by a lot more than a half.
So when your returning from the moon, the rocket weights a lot less, and when returning to earth you have gravity on your side, so you don't need a very large engine.

And someone mentioned Kerbal Space Program, a lot things aren't realistic (it is a game) but it is correct on how orbits work.
I you want to know how space ships get to the moon, download the demo. It uses the patched conic approximation if anyone wants to know how it works.

Video showing how you get to the mun in the game.
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Yes, and check out this for reference
http://xkcd.com/681_large/
note the relative sizes of the gravity wells for Earth and the moon.

Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2016, 10:57:32 AM »
Although its a game I think some flat Earthers would benefit from playing kerbal space program to understand how orbital mechanics work. They have applied they same physics that earth has on the fake planet Kerbin such as gravity, different levels of atmosphere, lift vs drag, ect. Its a great learning experience and funny while you learn.
Explain how the Apollo crew managed to do this with their craft. This appears to look like a sling shot. Tell me how this was managed.



They didn't  ;)

All the evidence of a moon landing/mission is obviously CGI.
Well at least you're waking up.

Ok, so now we have cleared this up, what is next on the list?
The explanation for the bullshit of how they got to the moon because people still believe they went, even if you have woken up but are believing that your sarcasm is gaining you brownie points among your like - minded globalists.  :P

Not all 'round earthers' believe in the moon landing, isn't it like 1 in 6 Americans doubt a moon landing ever took place?


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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2016, 11:02:12 AM »
You all blather on & on & on & on...

But none of you explain this:



You think you do...

But you really, REALLY don't.
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Re: Why do astronauts on board ISS float around
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2016, 11:17:09 AM »
We know we can't explain it to you because your too stupid, but to those who aren't, here is the answer.

Once the rocket is in a circular orbit of the earth, it burns prograde to make it's orbit path elliptical and intersect with the moons orbit, when the rocket gets near the moon it is captured by the moons gravity, the rocket then burns retrograde so that is slows down so it goes into a circular orbit of the moon.

Does a prograde burn not make a circular orbit more elliptical.

Definitions
Prograde-the direction the rocket is currently moving
Retrograde-the opposite direction to prograde.
Burns (direction)- fires the engine to accelerate (direction)