Why do astronauts on board ISS float around

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on December 26, 2015, 12:42:15 PM

The science and engineering of airplanes and self-driven cars make sense. Both from and engineering and scientific standpoint.

The space fantasies only make sense in the same way that Santa Claus makes sense; "we want it to be true, so it must be true". Unfortunately; I was very disappointed to learn it can only be fake(d).

The science and engineering of space rockets and space travel make sense. Both from and engineering and scientific standpoint. And proven over and over.

The Flat Earth fantasies only make sense in the same way that Santa Claus makes sense; "we want it to be true, so it must be true". Unfortunately for flat earth believers; everything points to the opposite.

There was a lot of activity on here after I left last night. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this subject. I especially want to thank legion because he came to my rescue and defended me. I know everyone is trying to relate me to a child because you all believe what you've been taught and it makes all the sense in the world to you. But to me, not so much. I've been taught the same as most on here but I have a little difficulty believing it.

From what I've gathered, it is the free falling that causes the astronauts to float around inside the ISS. Even though they are falling the same speed. I don't believe this is true. I'm going to attempt to give my reasoning and I hope I can explain it well enough for everyone to understand.

Picture the ISS located at the equator at the very middle of the earth. The earth's diameter is around 8000 miles. That means you are 4000 miles from the edge. The ISS has to travel parallel with the earth for around 14 minutes before it reaches the edge of the earth. The ISS is around 250 mile above the Earth, but it is only around 188 miles from the Kármán line before it starts to enter the earth's atmosphere. If gravity pulls the ISS down, it would only take 38 seconds before it starts to enter earth's atmosphere. Since gravity is the only force acting on the ISS to cause it to go into free fall, it couldn't be in free fall very long and it has to keep traveling parallel to the earth to keep from being pulled to earth. The vision everyone has is that this great big ISS just falls around this little ball earth and everyone is okay with that. My vision is this tiny ISS is flying around this great big earth. To me, it is traveling parallel with the earth all the time and maybe a slight bit of gravity is pulling it so they would have to use rocket thrust to bring it back up over time. But it is not free falling at all. You can watch the videos of the ISS and I don't see it free falling. It is flying parallel and level with the earth just like an airplane would fly around the earth only faster. I'm sure everyone on here has heard or used the story of traveling in an airplane traveling 600 mph and you don't feel the movement at all because you are traveling the same speed as the airplane. Well I use that same argument here. The ISS traveling 17,000 mph and the passengers will not notice it either because they are traveling the same speed as the ISS. That is my reasoning and I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say. You can call it childish thinking if you want, but to me it seems logical and I'm not a child.

I just gave you an answer, both the iss and the astronauts have the same speed and acceleration, so there is no relative motion between an astronaut and the iss.

There's a valid reason why Yendor is puzzled by the actions of this supposed ISS and its supposed orbit around a supposed globe. The reason is because he's intelligent enough to see bullshit when it rears its ugly head so blatantly.
Then you get the globalites jumping on him and trying their best to make him appear child like when they know for a fact that he's questioning because it BEGS questions, which is why Legion is backing him up, because Legion and many other logical people who possess common sense can see that the official explanations are clear and utter made up magical fantasies.

Falling around the Earth for crying out loud. 

This centrifugal that is now not a force and is centripetal force that isn't a force unless it becomes a force when people start to question, yet manages to exert a force onto a so called space craft by is counteracted by another force that isn't actually a force unless questioned constantly, which then turns back into a sort of force that we simply just don't understand.

Imagine that?
Imagine trying to explain that from scratch to people who haven't been brainwashed.

A defiance of genuine physics. When you see a wall of death motorcycle stunt person going around and around, you don't wonder why he's not flying into the crowd outside   because you can see that his motorbike tyres are pushing against a barrier and that barrier is resisting that push.

Imagine that motorbike going super fast around a ball. What force could seriously pull it into the ball as opposed to stopping it shooting outwards in a straight line?

This centripetal force supposedly acts upon the ISS in space as if it's a swing ball machine and the ISS is the ball attached to the string as it's whizzing around the pole.
It doesn't fly off because of the string. The very same string that is bullshit gravity.
This invisible string force where the ISS just wants to piss off into space but good old gravity string says, "not on your Nelly Mr, you're on a leash."

Centripetal force and gravity allow the ISS to simply fall around Earth. 

Ok all you scientific minded people. All those who possess the logic and common sense. I have an experiment you can do that will show you how much bullshit this is.

The tools you need are thus:

A lid from a jar that has a lip so it can hold a few small plastic beads.
A few small plastic beads.
A hand held battery operated face fan. A £ store or a $ store one.
A glue stick gun or some strong glue.

Oh and the main thing you need is a small vacuum chamber that will hold the fan and accessories.

Ok here's what you do.

You take the fan blade from the fan and pierce a tiny hole in the jar lid. You then push it firmly onto the fan shaft and glue the back and front so that the lid is stuck to the shaft.
You now glue the fan bottom to the bell jar vacuum base as close to the centre as you can and allow it to dry so it cannot fall over.
You put a few beads in the inside of the rim of the jar lid and switch it on.
You will find that your centripetal force is keeping the beads stuck to the rim, because it's basically like the motorbike wall of death, only this is vertical but same thing.

It's also how they tell you that the ISS is doing its  rounds in space.

Now here's the key.
Place your bell jar over the base with the working fan motor and jar lid plus beads spinning like crazy and start evacuating the pressure from that jar.

This is where you see your ISS fall from space to the bottom of the bell jar base, because centripetal force has now been rendered useless.
You see, the beads no longer adhere to the rim because it only works with atmospheric pressure and cannot and does not work without it.

Now all you genuine thinkers that want the truth, don't take my word for it, go and try it out for yourself.
If you have a chamber then the rest will cost you  £1 or a $1.

I'll see if anyone is willing to try this and if they are then it should clarify one hell of a lot to them.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 27, 2015, 10:17:30 AM

There's a valid reason why Yendor is puzzled by the actions of this supposed ISS and its supposed orbit around a supposed globe. The reason is because he's intelligent enough to see bullshit when it rears its ugly head so blatantly.
Then you get the globalites jumping on him and trying their best to make him appear child like when they know for a fact that he's questioning because it BEGS questions, which is why Legion is backing him up, because Legion and many other logical people who possess common sense can see that the official explanations are clear and utter made up magical fantasies.

Falling around the Earth for crying out loud. 

This centrifugal that is now not a force and is centripetal force that isn't a force unless it becomes a force when people start to question, yet manages to exert a force onto a so called space craft by is counteracted by another force that isn't actually a force unless questioned constantly, which then turns back into a sort of force that we simply just don't understand.

Imagine that?
Imagine trying to explain that from scratch to people who haven't been brainwashed.

A defiance of genuine physics. When you see a wall of death motorcycle stunt person going around and around, you don't wonder why he's not flying into the crowd outside   because you can see that his motorbike tyres are pushing against a barrier and that barrier is resisting that push.

Imagine that motorbike going super fast around a ball. What force could seriously pull it into the ball as opposed to stopping it shooting outwards in a straight line?

This centripetal force supposedly acts upon the ISS in space as if it's a swing ball machine and the ISS is the ball attached to the string as it's whizzing around the pole.
It doesn't fly off because of the string. The very same string that is bullshit gravity.
This invisible string force where the ISS just wants to piss off into space but good old gravity string says, "not on your Nelly Mr, you're on a leash."

Centripetal force and gravity allow the ISS to simply fall around Earth. 

Ok all you scientific minded people. All those who possess the logic and common sense. I have an experiment you can do that will show you how much bullshit this is.

The tools you need are thus:

A lid from a jar that has a lip so it can hold a few small plastic beads.
A few small plastic beads.
A hand held battery operated face fan. A £ store or a $ store one.
A glue stick gun or some strong glue.

Oh and the main thing you need is a small vacuum chamber that will hold the fan and accessories.

Ok here's what you do.

You take the fan blade from the fan and pierce a tiny hole in the jar lid. You then push it firmly onto the fan shaft and glue the back and front so that the lid is stuck to the shaft.
You now glue the fan bottom to the bell jar vacuum base as close to the centre as you can and allow it to dry so it cannot fall over.
You put a few beads in the inside of the rim of the jar lid and switch it on.
You will find that your centripetal force is keeping the beads stuck to the rim, because it's basically like the motorbike wall of death, only this is vertical but same thing.

It's also how they tell you that the ISS is doing its  rounds in space.

Now here's the key.
Place your bell jar over the base with the working fan motor and jar lid plus beads spinning like crazy and start evacuating the pressure from that jar.

This is where you see your ISS fall from space to the bottom of the bell jar base, because centripetal force has now been rendered useless.
You see, the beads no longer adhere to the rim because it only works with atmospheric pressure and cannot and does not work without it.

Now all you genuine thinkers that want the truth, don't take my word for it, go and try it out for yourself.
If you have a chamber then the rest will cost you  £1 or a $1.

I'll see if anyone is willing to try this and if they are then it should clarify one hell of a lot to them.

Except you're whole argument is based on centripetal force.....

We have not mention that in any of our supporting evidence.

We  have discuss Gravity, Orbital velocity, and Friction (or lack of).

Again you are, someone attempting to look clever, but you're actually Looking like someone whom an IQ of 80 would be a nice ambition.

Quote from: getrealzommb on December 27, 2015, 10:27:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 27, 2015, 10:17:30 AM

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If you go back to the very first page of this thread you will see that centrifugal and centripetal force was what got me started on the subject of orbit. scepti and legion are here to help back me up because they know that it takes a lot of common sense to wake people up and help them to realize that NASA is not your friend. NASA is lying about space travel and the truth need to be told. I just hope some people, that maybe on the fence about this stuff, find some understanding and realize they have been duped. I know I sure did. So, all and all I believe this thread has been worth it.

I hope they read the thread and realize what a bunch of retards you FEers are.

You and your mates may as well live in Cloud Cookoo land

Quote from: EternalHoid on December 27, 2015, 09:57:25 AM

I just gave you an answer, both the iss and the astronauts have the same speed and acceleration, so there is no relative motion between an astronaut and the iss.

Why would there be acceleration? If both are the same speed why do they depict people and everything else floating? They should not float until they go free falling towards the earth and I never see that happening unless they purposely want to.

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 10:21:58 AM

Quote from: EternalHoid on December 27, 2015, 09:57:25 AM

I just gave you an answer, both the iss and the astronauts have the same speed and acceleration, so there is no relative motion between an astronaut and the iss.

Why would there be acceleration? If both are the same speed why do they depict people and everything else floating? They should not float until they go free falling towards the earth and I never see that happening unless they purposely want to.

The confusion here seems to be "free fall". If by free fall you mean falling straight down to earth, then the astronauts are not in freefall, personally I think freefall is the wrong word for the situation.
Ill separate my argument into sections, tell me which one you don't agree with.

1. To be floating in the iss, an astronaut has to be not moving relative to the iss when he is not trying to move and is not touching any walls.
Freefall is one way of this happening but in this case it isn't

Videos show the folks and objects to be floating when they are not tied down or holding on.

2. The acceleration is caused by gravity, and acceleration due to gravity is the same for all objects in a vacuum. So both the astronaut and the iss have the same acceleration and velocity.

Okay

3. Since the astronaut and iss have the same velocity and acceleration, they will follow the same path.

Okay

4. Since they follow the same path, there will be no relative movement between the iss and the astronaut.

Okay

Combine 1 and 4, and you have a floating astronaut.

Here is the problem I have. NASA says the astronauts are floating in space because of free fall and they even demonstrate this with the vomit comet. They say the ISS or any satellite simply falls around the earth. and because of that the objects are weightless and they float around. You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

To me, floating is when you are not under the influence of gravity or lighter than air.


I think 1 is the one you don't get.
If you think a person in a plane is also going at the same speed and acceleration, there is a difference.  A plane a person has to be touching the floor to not be falling, because the plane is generating lift to counter gravity, so a person has to be on the floor to be effected by the lift. On the iss this isn't the case, the iss is not producing any force, the only force effecting the system is gravity, which effects the astronaut where or not he is touching a wall.
Edit: reading what you have said I want to ask you something, what do you define floating as.

Videos show the folks and objects to be floating when they are not tied down or holding on. [/color]

Here is the problem I have. NASA says the astronauts are floating in space because of free fall and they even demonstrate this with the vomit comet. They say the ISS or any satellite simply falls around the earth. and because of that the objects are weightless and they float around. You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

I embrace science as well; after all I am a scientist.

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 12:10:47 PM

Videos show the folks and objects to be floating when they are not tied down or holding on. [/color]

Ok, that is because I was only looking at the force of gravity, the main force in the situation. If gravity was the only force there would be no relative motion, when you include the astronaut pushing off from surfaces and the force from the air inside the station hitting his body you will have him moving relative to the station. I defined floating badly; I'll give a better one.
Floating="When there is no permanent force pushing you against a surface.”
I hope this definition makes more sense, on earth we don’t float because we have a force pushing us down, so we can’t float up, and the friction from being pushed to the ground stops us from floating forwards, backwards, left and right. Same on a plane, the plane is staying at a constant height, and you are still going downwards because of gravity, so you are pushed against a surface again.

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Here is the problem I have. NASA says the astronauts are floating in space because of free fall and they even demonstrate this with the vomit comet. They say the ISS or any satellite simply falls around the earth. and because of that the objects are weightless and they float around. You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

Now I think you have said you understand orbits, you just don’t consider them as free falling because they don’t go down. On the vomit comet you float because both you and the plane are being affected by gravity and nothing else, this causes you to not be pushed against any surface of the plane. Now in the ISS isn’t falling as in moving downwards, but it is accelerating downwards, so it’s not “free falling”, more “free accelerating”. It’s the “free accelerating” that causes things to float, since it means objects within it will not be pushed to one surface. If you think you would be pushed towards one surface of the ISIS, which one, down, up, backwards, and why.

I understand what they mean by orbit. I understand that forward motion is counteracting gravity and the object will travel around the earth.

I see the insults are coming out

Just because they are aimed at children; that doesn't make them true. Only a complete idiot would suggest that. And that you believe these videos knowing that they were "designed for children"!

How embarrassing. For YOU.

trust me, I understand what everyone is saying,

I've read what  everyone has mentioned many times. I've tried to find the reason why object actually float on board the ISS and I can't. Mostly I find is that they are in free fall. I just want someone to explain why when they show the videos of the ISS everyone is floating and the women's hair is standing straight up and it looks unnatural as hell.

They are all floating around as if they are falling slower than the ISS is falling.

I was under the understanding that objects in space fall at the same rate.

It is not obvious to me that that is true on the ISS because it looks like the spacecraft is actually falling faster than the objects inside and they never seem to catch up. I would expect to see them simply walking around normal.

The gravity is only about 10% less, so it can't be that. I don't see the astronauts falling slower than the ISS when they are outside tethered to the craft. They seem to be falling at the same rate or the tether would be tight. It always seem to be loose.

When I'm on an elevator and as it starts to go down I feel as if the floor drops out from underneath my feet, but as soon as my body catches up I don't feel it any longer.

I'm a very technical person. I've spent nearly my whole life working as an electrical engineer. I've even designed products that were supposedly used on satellites.

I would just expect the ISS to be the same way. I don't want anyone to get mad and start chunking more insults towards me, but this is the way I see it and I simply don't understand.

Quote from: EternalHoid on December 27, 2015, 12:53:59 PM

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 12:10:47 PM

Videos show the folks and objects to be floating when they are not tied down or holding on. [/color]

Ok, that is because I was only looking at the force of gravity, the main force in the situation. If gravity was the only force there would be no relative motion, when you include the astronaut pushing off from surfaces and the force from the air inside the station hitting his body you will have him moving relative to the station. I defined floating badly; I'll give a better one.
Floating="When there is no permanent force pushing you against a surface.”
I hope this definition makes more sense, on earth we don’t float because we have a force pushing us down, so we can’t float up, and the friction from being pushed to the ground stops us from floating forwards, backwards, left and right. Same on a plane, the plane is staying at a constant height, and you are still going downwards because of gravity, so you are pushed against a surface again.

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Here is the problem I have. NASA says the astronauts are floating in space because of free fall and they even demonstrate this with the vomit comet. They say the ISS or any satellite simply falls around the earth. and because of that the objects are weightless and they float around. You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

Now I think you have said you understand orbits, you just don’t consider them as free falling because they don’t go down. On the vomit comet you float because both you and the plane are being affected by gravity and nothing else, this causes you to not be pushed against any surface of the plane. Now in the ISS isn’t falling as in moving downwards, but it is accelerating downwards, so it’s not “free falling”, more “free accelerating”. It’s the “free accelerating” that causes things to float, since it means objects within it will not be pushed to one surface. If you think you would be pushed towards one surface of the ISIS, which one, down, up, backwards, and why.

I hate to say it, but you have me a little confused here. It sounds like, again, you are saying gravity is not enough force to push them down. There is gravity, almost as much as on earth. Why would they float if they push off something?

I understand what they mean by orbit. I understand that forward motion is counteracting gravity and the object will travel around the earth. You say that the object is free accelerating towards the earth and that is causing things to float. What happened to the forward motion of the object trying to prevent that from happening. It would hit the atmosphere in only 38 seconds. If what you say is true, then they would have to constantly fire the rockets to overcome the gravity.

Alpha0mega likes to insult people in a roundabout way. This clown likes people to think he's intelligent. He's a classic internet info sniffer who regurgitates what he finds on any subject he's dealing with.

Most people are like this clown and then there are some genuine one's who get caught up  in this clowns parroting and feel the need to follow because they don't want to be ridiculed.

Just another space fantasist.

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 02:21:40 PM

I understand what they mean by orbit. I understand that forward motion is counteracting gravity and the object will travel around the earth.

No, you obviously don't understand what they mean by orbit.  Forward motion does not counteract gravity.  Gravity is always pulling the ISS downwards.  The forward speed simply ensures that the ISS misses the earth.

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 02:21:40 PM

Quote from: EternalHoid on December 27, 2015, 12:53:59 PM

Quote from: Yendor on December 27, 2015, 12:10:47 PM

Videos show the folks and objects to be floating when they are not tied down or holding on. [/color]

Ok, that is because I was only looking at the force of gravity, the main force in the situation. If gravity was the only force there would be no relative motion, when you include the astronaut pushing off from surfaces and the force from the air inside the station hitting his body you will have him moving relative to the station. I defined floating badly; I'll give a better one.
Floating="When there is no permanent force pushing you against a surface.”
I hope this definition makes more sense, on earth we don’t float because we have a force pushing us down, so we can’t float up, and the friction from being pushed to the ground stops us from floating forwards, backwards, left and right. Same on a plane, the plane is staying at a constant height, and you are still going downwards because of gravity, so you are pushed against a surface again.

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Here is the problem I have. NASA says the astronauts are floating in space because of free fall and they even demonstrate this with the vomit comet. They say the ISS or any satellite simply falls around the earth. and because of that the objects are weightless and they float around. You have to be smart enough to know that any object coming under the influence of so called gravity is going to fall to earth unless it has a way to defy gravity. Even if the ISS or an airplane is flying, gravity will bring it down if it has no lift to keep it defying gravity. I don't see the ISS having wings.

Now I think you have said you understand orbits, you just don’t consider them as free falling because they don’t go down. On the vomit comet you float because both you and the plane are being affected by gravity and nothing else, this causes you to not be pushed against any surface of the plane. Now in the ISS isn’t falling as in moving downwards, but it is accelerating downwards, so it’s not “free falling”, more “free accelerating”. It’s the “free accelerating” that causes things to float, since it means objects within it will not be pushed to one surface. If you think you would be pushed towards one surface of the ISIS, which one, down, up, backwards, and why.

I hate to say it, but you have me a little confused here. It sounds like, again, you are saying gravity is not enough force to push them down. There is gravity, almost as much as on earth. Why would they float if they push off something?

I understand what they mean by orbit. I understand that forward motion is counteracting gravity and the object will travel around the earth. You say that the object is free accelerating towards the earth and that is causing things to float. What happened to the forward motion of the object trying to prevent that from happening. It would hit the atmosphere in only 38 seconds. If what you say is true, then they would have to constantly fire the rockets to overcome the gravity.

http://www.s-cool.co.uk/a-level/physics/circular-motion/revise-it/angular-acceleration-and-centripetal-force
You need to understand  circular motion. Acceleration and velocity are different things, F=ma not F=mv, an object can be accelerating downwards and keep a parallel velocity, the velocity doesn't counteract acceleration, because it doesn't, they are different things.  People never feel velocity, only accelation. Of cause you feel the air when you have velocity relative to the ground but that is not the same thing.
Learn how circular motion works before saying I'm wrong.

Okay, let's get back to basics. Your article talks about centripetal force and centrifugal force not being a real force. Actually, centrifugal force is what we should be talking about. I'll give you an example of centrifugal force used in everyday life, a washing machine spinning out. That is how the water in the cloths are removed. Now give me an example of centripetal force used in everyday life.