The logic behind the DET model

Apart from this forum, and your site, do you intend on promoting via any other mediums, for example Facebook?

Also, what is your background? Eduction, hobbies etc?

If you wish to sell your DET, you ideally need to connect with your audience too.

Please tell me Jadyyn's not still whining about the DE model. He knows he's blocked, after countless time-wasting rants, and yet he persists in addressing arguments to someone who can't see his posts. Spectacular dishonesty, by all accounts.
Plus there's a forum where he could go if he was actually interested in answers. Of course, he's not: he's interested in mounting a dishonest argument against a model, and convicning people not to actually spend time educating themselves and making up their own minds. I bet even several REers could pinpoint the flaws, if they read the model. That's the only reason for this kind of dishonest set-up I can see: whinging when he knows there can't be a response.

He really is just childish. "Pay attention to me! Waa! Waaa!"

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What is not clearly explained to me is... Take the person on the top hemidisk on the right (1st pic). Let him go north a couple miles. When he looks directly up, he basically still sees the stars above the equator somehow. When he looks just north of straight up, the Aether shows the stars north of him without going through the Earth. When he looks just south of straight up, Aether knowing where he is, bends light through the Earth to the other side. *I* don't get how Aether knows this.

What is not clearly explained to me is... Take the person on the top hemidisk on the right (1st pic). Let him go north a couple miles. When he looks directly up, he basically still sees the stars above the equator somehow. When he looks just north of straight up, the Aether shows the stars north of him without going through the Earth. When he looks just south of straight up, Aether knowing where he is, bends light through the Earth to the other side. *I* don't get how Aether knows this.

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 08:34:57 AM

What is not clearly explained to me is... Take the person on the top hemidisk on the right (1st pic). Let him go north a couple miles. When he looks directly up, he basically still sees the stars above the equator somehow. When he looks just north of straight up, the Aether shows the stars north of him without going through the Earth. When he looks just south of straight up, Aether knowing where he is, bends light through the Earth to the other side. *I* don't get how Aether knows this.

That is a good question.

I'm pretty sure it is because what you wrote in the model makes absolutely no sense.

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 08:48:39 AM

I'm pretty sure it is because what you wrote in the model makes absolutely no sense.

Going to say why, or are you just asserting the same as ever?

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 08:34:57 AM

What is not clearly explained to me is... Take the person on the top hemidisk on the right (1st pic). Let him go north a couple miles. When he looks directly up, he basically still sees the stars above the equator somehow. When he looks just north of straight up, the Aether shows the stars north of him without going through the Earth. When he looks just south of straight up, Aether knowing where he is, bends light through the Earth to the other side. *I* don't get how Aether knows this.

That is a good question.

No. It's not. It's utterly incoherent. It begins with "If you stay on the same plane, you can see the same stars," goes to "North of straight up," (what the fuck?!), and the best I can tell supposes starlight is some magical exception to the well-defined and logical process at the equator. It's not a question, it's a "I'm too lazy to even try to learn your model or think about a word you say."

I understand JR does not understand the skies or astronomy. So something as simple as this, is "utterly incoherent" to him (as are most astronomy topics because they defy explanations - easier to ignore me).

Imagine Joe goes say 10 km north from the equator. He looks directly up over his head. Basically, he is seeing the stars above the equator. When facing north and looking down from straight above his head, Aether shows hims the stars north of the celestial equator without going through the Earth. When Joe faces south and looks down from straight above his head, somehow Aether knows to go through the Earth.

On the diagram below, Joe is on the top hemidisk on the far right side (equator). Now imagine Joe going 10 km north toward the N.Pole, like 1 cm to the left of where he started (equator), and looking straight UP at the "dome" created by the Aether (vertical line between the dome and the hemidisk where he is standing). How does the Aether know that when looking further north not to go through the Earth and when he looks south from directly above him, it is supposed to go through the Earth? What about Susie, 2 cm (20 mi) to the left?

How does the Aether know that when looking further north not to go through the Earth and when he looks south from directly above him, it is supposed to go through the Earth?

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

So, wasting time. I see. When you feel like actually addressing the model rather than lying and trolling, come back. until then, fuck off. What Jadyyn is describing has no resemblance beyond the superficial to DET. All he's doing is making it harder for people to learn the actual model, by filling their minds with his straw man, and I've long since grown sick of correcting him: he never pays attention, five minutes later he'll be spewing the same bullshit with no acknowledgement.

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How does the Aether know that when looking further north not to go through the Earth and when he looks south from directly above him, it is supposed to go through the Earth?

This is bullshit, wholly and completely. It 'knows' nothing, it is a natural entity obeying a simple and well-defined law. At no point does it magically stop obeying this law, as Jadyyn inexplicably seems to believe it does. Instead, he seems to be claiming that no matter where you stand, what you observe should look the exact same: that's nonsensical.
The reason what you're rambling about is incoherent is because it is. It has no resemblance to any model that has ever been proposed. Fuck off already, I'm sick of your trolling.

That's the point jackass. How you have it described working doesn't make sense in the real world.

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:09:17 AM

That's the point jackass. How you have it described working doesn't make sense in the real world.

Except when he rambled about bears next to no resemblance to what I've actually described, so HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING READ FOR ONCE YOU PATHETIC penguin

Sigh, you are useless....

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Sigh, you are useless....

I'm sorry I refuse to defend a straw man. Can I expect any actually meaningful posts?

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:26:25 AM

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Sigh, you are useless....

I'm sorry I refuse to defend a straw man. Can I expect any actually meaningful posts?

lol, any legit question you cannot answer is a strawman in your eyes so trying to debate with you is worthless.

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:34:57 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:26:25 AM

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Sigh, you are useless....

I'm sorry I refuse to defend a straw man. Can I expect any actually meaningful posts?

lol, any legit question you cannot answer is a strawman in your eyes so trying to debate with you is worthless.

Simply saying it is a legitimate question doesn't make it so. It doesn't address what my model actually states, why is that hard to understand?

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:38:46 AM

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:34:57 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:26:25 AM

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on December 22, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Sigh, you are useless....

I'm sorry I refuse to defend a straw man. Can I expect any actually meaningful posts?

lol, any legit question you cannot answer is a strawman in your eyes so trying to debate with you is worthless.

Simply saying it is a legitimate question doesn't make it so. It doesn't address what my model actually states, why is that hard to understand?

Same applies to you. Simply saying it is not legitimate doesn't make it so. It does address the model and you just don't have an answer.

Let's see if Jadyyn can be honest for once. I wonder. Answer the following questions please:

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

No evading. Let's see if you can manage an actual argument for once. For this thread and this thread alone, I'll look at your posts. If you're making an actually informed argument rather than your typical straw man which you refuse to be corrected on, maybe I'll unblock you. From my past experience, I doubt it, but we'll see.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:08:27 AM

Let's see if Jadyyn can be honest for once. I wonder. Answer the following questions please:

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

No evading. Let's see if you can manage an actual argument for once. For this thread and this thread alone, I'll look at your posts. If you're making an actually informed argument rather than your typical straw man which you refuse to be corrected on, maybe I'll unblock you. From my past experience, I doubt it, but we'll see.

How do you explain sunsets and the ISS?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on December 22, 2015, 10:46:51 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:08:27 AM

Let's see if Jadyyn can be honest for once. I wonder. Answer the following questions please:

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

No evading. Let's see if you can manage an actual argument for once. For this thread and this thread alone, I'll look at your posts. If you're making an actually informed argument rather than your typical straw man which you refuse to be corrected on, maybe I'll unblock you. From my past experience, I doubt it, but we'll see.

How do you explain sunsets and the ISS?

Why are you adding that to an irrelevant conversation?
Learn the DE model, its altered version of the Sun addresses sunsets. The answer to the ISS is shared with classical FET.

Let's see if Jadyyn can be honest for once. I wonder. Answer the following questions please:

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

No evading, no bullshit. Let's see if you can manage an actual argument for once. For this thread and this thread alone, I'll look at your posts. If you're making an actually informed argument rather than your typical straw man which you refuse to be corrected on, maybe I'll unblock you. From my past experience, I doubt it, but we'll see.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on December 22, 2015, 10:08:27 AM

Let's see if Jadyyn can be honest for once. I wonder. Answer the following questions please:

• What real-world observation do you believe conflicts with DET?
• What aspect of DET causes this conflict?

No evading, no bullshit. Let's see if you can manage an actual argument for once. For this thread and this thread alone, I'll look at your posts. If you're making an actually informed argument rather than your typical straw man which you refuse to be corrected on, maybe I'll unblock you. From my past experience, I doubt it, but we'll see.

Aside from the whole "telescope alignment" thread? Take one thing for example - you have to align a telescope horizontally on the equator to view the NCP/SCP and be parallel to the N.Pole/S.Pole axis. The aspect is that this does not work on a FLAT model by definition.

Viewing Earthshine on the Moon. Aspect - what would light up the phase shadow of the Moon?

Viewing a Lunar Eclipse. The Sun must be in the opposite side of the sky from the Moon. The Moon must be FULL, yet have a larger curved fuzzy shadow cross it with a penumbra and umbra (red) visible. Preferably predictable. Aspect - nothing in the model to block/display that behavior. Timing - must occur at the correct times not every time.

Solar Eclipse viewing. When, where and how long on Earth the solar eclipse can be viewed. Preferably predicted in advance so people can plan/travel to it. Aspect - no actual known size/distance/motion of the Moon relative to the Sun.

Moon phases - the Moon always has the same face pointing toward the Earth (give or take lunar libration) with just a curved shadow moving across it. Aspect - the phases of the Moon are not white hot-metal (light) and rock (dark). The phase shadow does not turn from white hot-metal to rock as the phase goes across the face as the shadow part of the phase is the same as the metal side was hours or the day before.

Pick any airplane/boat trip distance (i.e. no map). Aspect - DEF does not know where anyone/anything is, except the poles and equators.

Dish TV alignment on geosynchronous/geostationary satellites. Aspect - these are some 42,000+ km above the Earth.

Those I can name off the top of my head...

No one is going to learn your BS model and the way it explains it is just as much BS. No I'm not going to justify my claim because in this case, all you have to do is read the model.

Well from what I understand, his whole justification for his model is just that all of that is a reasonable possibility. He isn't claiming anything in the model is fact or right, but just something that is possible under the current laws of science...

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No one is going to learn your BS model and the way it explains it is just as much BS. No I'm not going to justify my claim because in this case, all you have to do is read the model.

So, a complete inability to provide anything. And yet you're still spamming the forum and wasting everyone's time. tedious.

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Well from what I understand, his whole justification for his model is just that all of that is a reasonable possibility. He isn't claiming anything in the model is fact or right, but just something that is possible under the current laws of science...

Well maybe you could shut up if you've decided to remain willfully ignorant.

Why is it controversial for you to STOP WHINING ABOUT THAT WHICH YOU REFUSE TO EVEN TRY TO LEARN?

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No one is going to learn your BS model and the way it explains it is just as much BS. No I'm not going to justify my claim because in this case, all you have to do is read the model.

So, a complete inability to provide anything. And yet you're still spamming the forum and wasting everyone's time. tedious.

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Well from what I understand, his whole justification for his model is just that all of that is a reasonable possibility. He isn't claiming anything in the model is fact or right, but just something that is possible under the current laws of science...

Well maybe you could shut up if you've decided to remain willfully ignorant.

Why is it controversial for you to STOP WHINING ABOUT THAT WHICH YOU REFUSE TO EVEN TRY TO LEARN?

Explain tv satellite dish alignment.

That was your own description. Are you calling yourself a liar now?

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Explain tv satellite dish alignment.

Get a fucking life. All you do is spam the forum with that same demand and run away whenever I ask for clarification. I'm done wasting time trying to have any kind of discussion with you.

That was your own description. Are you calling yourself a liar now?