Easiest experiment to proof earth is round

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

Wow! Simple is better. I wonder how they're goning to explain this?

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

Wow! Simple is better. I wonder how they're goning to explain this?

Aether.

You can see over more waves when you are standing than you can when you are lying down. 

Just the fact that you see the whole disc of the sun sinking into the horizon, instead of it getting smaller and smaller till it gets out of sight is enough to prove its a globe to me. ...But then what do I know ?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on December 12, 2015, 07:21:56 PM

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

Wow! Simple is better. I wonder how they're goning to explain this?

Aether.

So because of the aether the sun reappears when the distance stays the same? Even better: when you stand up and then look, the sun is on FE a little bit further away from you.

So you're saying I can't see the sun when it's closer, but I can when it's further away?

Please explain.

Do you not understand how waves and perspective works? 

But I do, it seems that you don't because you could also do this on one of the flattest planes on earth: salt lakes. No waves there for you to blame.

But I do, it seems that you don't because you could also do this on one of the flattest planes on earth: salt lakes. No waves there for you to blame.

Please show examples of people performing this experiment on the salt plains.  Thanks. 

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 13, 2015, 02:38:28 AM

But I do, it seems that you don't because you could also do this on one of the flattest planes on earth: salt lakes. No waves there for you to blame.

Please show examples of people performing this experiment on the salt plains.  Thanks.

Here we go again. If I haven't seen it for myself it doesn't exist. I've never been in Australia thus it must not exist. Argumentum ad ignorantiam. I dismiss this one.

Quote from: jroa on December 13, 2015, 02:50:11 AM

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 13, 2015, 02:38:28 AM

But I do, it seems that you don't because you could also do this on one of the flattest planes on earth: salt lakes. No waves there for you to blame.

Please show examples of people performing this experiment on the salt plains.  Thanks.

Here we go again. If I haven't seen it for myself it doesn't exist. I've never been in Australia thus it must not exist. Argumentum ad ignorantiam. I dismiss this one.

No, I asked if anyone has ever done it.  You plainly said that it can be done, and I am calling you out on your BS.  So, were you purposely lying, or simply embellishing on the truth in order to further your agenda?  Which is it? 

I am guessing it is magic.

No, I asked if anyone has ever done it.  You plainly said that it can be done, and I am calling you out on your BS.  So, were you purposely lying, or simply embellishing on the truth in order to further your agenda?  Which is it?

Jroa, why are you aggressively attacking him?
Most salt lakes have mountains surrounding them so it will not be possible, you will be looking at the sun against the edge of a mountain range. Salar de Uyuni is the largest salt plain, and might be possible there.

I have seen a double sunset while flying.
Hold altitude at sunset then dive the plane, the sun goes down. Raise altitude back again and the sun comes up again until it eventually sets the second time.
Under the Perfect Spot Light Sun Hypothesis, this is not possible as the sun is always shining downwards, therefore the higher you go the quicker the sun will disappear.

With the same concept people have seen that the sun sets later from the top of tall buildings than it does on the ground.  At the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set on the ground, take the glass elevator to the top and watch it rise and then watch it set again at the top all in a matter of minutes.

Jroa, why are you aggressively attacking him?

Cause he's agitated that with the easiest of experiments you can debunk the flat earth within 2 minutes. Probably I'd be agitated too if I'd spend that majority of my time defending a theory that can be debunked so easily.

It may be that our theories may need some polish. If the Sun was outside the dome, the refracted light could cause this effect. No? I admit, my ideas are in their infancy, but i want to throw this out there.

Basically, the principle is the same.

Watch the sun set (however) then go up quickly (however) and watch it set a second time. Note - it does not need to be over water or even the horizon. It can be over a mountain toward the horizon (sharper edge and less atmosphere to go through) as well.

Whether on the beach (jumping up), in a plane (going up), using the Burj Khalifa building elevator (going up), or whatever - the concept is the same. The effect is not in question.

FE needs to explain it.

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No, I asked if anyone has ever done it.  You plainly said that it can be done, and I am calling you out on your BS.  So, were you purposely lying, or simply embellishing on the truth in order to further your agenda?  Which is it?

Jroa, why are you aggressively attacking him?
Most salt lakes have mountains surrounding them so it will not be possible, you will be looking at the sun against the edge of a mountain range. Salar de Uyuni is the largest salt plain, and might be possible there.

I have seen a double sunset while flying.
Hold altitude at sunset then dive the plane, the sun goes down. Raise altitude back again and the sun comes up again until it eventually sets the second time.
Under the Perfect Spot Light Sun Hypothesis, this is not possible as the sun is always shining downwards, therefore the higher you go the quicker the sun will disappear.

So you are finally admitting that you lie.  We are making progress with you. 

So you are finally admitting that you lie.  We are making progress with you.

This is going to go off topic.
But there are many alternatives for someone to say something that is not true. For example, they could be mistaken, miss-spoke, or told a truth that did not satisfy you; for what ever reason.
Accusing someone of lying should be something not taken too lightly. If you do take it lightly it says more about the accuser than the accused.

back on topic
Mr Moderator, do you have any rebuttal of the topic at hand considering the last statements?

I only accuse liars of lying.  If you don't like getting called a liar, then perhaps you should not lie.  It is really that simple. 

I only accuse liars of lying.  If you don't like getting called a liar, then perhaps you should not lie.  It is really that simple. 

Where did I lie?

Do you have any rebuttal of the topic at hand considering the last statements?

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

This problem is trivial under the DET. Read the model before making stupid posts.

/sarcasm

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

This problem is trivial under the DET. Read the model before making stupid posts.

/sarcasm

Oh my god. For a second, I thought you were JRoweskeptic.

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

I don't think this will prove anything OP.

Ball people show me the ball Earth curve. There is no physical proof of the ball Earth theory, none. No curve not a ball, not a ball you can not call the Earth a sphere. The Earth is and always has been a flat plane.

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

I don't think this will prove anything OP.

Ball people show me the ball Earth curve. There is no physical proof of the ball Earth theory, none. No curve not a ball, not a ball you can not call the Earth a sphere. The Earth is and always has been a flat plane.

How does this not prove anything (sorry for the grammar).

How does this not prove anything (sorry for the grammar).

Because proof is not used in a scientific term in TFES. Substitute proof with "convinced me" and you will have a better idea what he actually meant

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

I don't think this will prove anything OP.

Ball people show me the ball Earth curve. There is no physical proof of the ball Earth theory, none. No curve not a ball, not a ball you can not call the Earth a sphere. The Earth is and always has been a flat plane.

Just look at observations and measurements.  Do you have a verified map?

How does this not prove anything (sorry for the grammar).

You can`t proof anything here.

Pictures? All fake
Movies? All fake
Documents? All fake
Scientists and millions of other people? All bought by the government
People? In fact reptilians from other planets.

That is how this site works.
You will never be able to proof something to such people. Tell a 2-year old that santa does not exist and he will not believe you...

Quote from: kicsimoe on December 12, 2015, 04:40:54 AM

Go to the beach on a clear day.
Watch the sunset while laying on your belly.
As soon as the sun is completely below the horizon jump up real fast to watch another sunset.
The sun sets again below the horizon.

This is only possible when the sun sets below the horizon, not because the sun is too far away for you to see.

Even stronger; when you lay on your belly the perspective from down to up must result in seeing the sun longer if sun was a spotlight. While standing up, your eyes are a tiny bit more on the level of the spotlight-sun, making it more difficult to see instead of easier.

Q.E.D.

The earth is round.

I don't think this will prove anything OP.

Ball people show me the ball Earth curve. There is no physical proof of the ball Earth theory, none. No curve not a ball, not a ball you can not call the Earth a sphere. The Earth is and always has been a flat plane.

If you would think longer than 2 seconds you'll figure out why this is only possible on a curved earth

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How does this not prove anything (sorry for the grammar).

Because proof is not used in a scientific term in TFES. Substitute proof with "convinced me" and you will have a better idea what he actually meant

Ok, thanks.