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Water treatment, and such.
« on: December 08, 2015, 05:31:34 AM »
The title is self-explanatory. Discuss. If you want to provide evidence for either side, it'd be appreciated if you would cite your credible sources, rather than just making some claim with no base.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 11:17:57 AM »
Are you talking about the water torture? Because that's against the constitution as it assume you're guilty until proven innocent.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 11:42:55 AM »
Are you talking about the water torture? Because that's against the constitution as it assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

Oh, no. I'm talking about stuff like fluoride in water.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 11:47:14 AM »
Are you talking about the water torture? Because that's against the constitution as it assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

Oh, no. I'm talking about stuff like fluoride in water.

Ohh, thanks. I'm against it and I'll provide a link to prove why.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 11:49:28 AM »
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 12:41:41 PM »
It's fine. The anti- side is no more than mindless paranoia.
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Luke 22:35-38

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2015, 12:56:53 PM »
It's fine. The anti- side is no more than mindless paranoia.

So you question the government about the shape of the earth but take there word on fluoride?
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 12:58:06 PM »
It's fine. The anti- side is no more than mindless paranoia.
Also OP asked for cited sources, not personal opinions. Do you have anything to rebut my link?
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 01:20:55 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 01:28:37 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/

There's two types of fluoride, the natural one which is good for you, and the man made one which bad for you. I'll provide a link in the next post.
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Luke 22:35-38

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2015, 01:43:47 PM »
Here's an article about the nazis using flouride

http://m.naturalnews.com/news/024534_Europe_health_WHO.html

I highly recommend you look at the rest of the link two links above. They document a lot of their claims.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2015, 02:55:48 PM »
The title is self-explanatory. Discuss. If you want to provide evidence for either side, it'd be appreciated if you would cite your credible sources, rather than just making some claim with no base.
Still trying to convince people that poisoning their water supply is good for their health.  My my what a nasty piece of work you & your crew must be. Maybe your lot could sit down at the table to a bowl of it  & demonstrate how  health sodium fluoride is for you when ingested . They say it works well on the health of rats .
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 02:57:48 PM by charles bloomington »
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2015, 02:57:34 PM »
The title is self-explanatory. Discuss. If you want to provide evidence for either side, it'd be appreciated if you would cite your credible sources, rather than just making some claim with no base.
Still trying to convince people that piosioning their water supply is a good for their health.  My my what a nasty piece of work you & your crew must be. Maybe your lot could sit down to a bowl of it  & demonstrate how  health sodium fluoride is for you when ingested . They say it works well on the health of rats .

If you don't have anything constructive to say, then fuck off. I was asking for opinions on both sides, with a credible source provided to back up their opinion. So far everyone but you has nicely followed that rule.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2015, 03:02:41 PM »
The title is self-explanatory. Discuss. If you want to provide evidence for either side, it'd be appreciated if you would cite your credible sources, rather than just making some claim with no base.
Still trying to convince people that piosioning their water supply is a good for their health.  My my what a nasty piece of work you & your crew must be. Maybe your lot could sit down to a bowl of it  & demonstrate how  health sodium fluoride is for you when ingested . They say it works well on the health of rats .

If you don't have anything constructive to say, then fuck off. I was asking for opinions on both sides, with a credible source provided to back up their opinion. So far everyone but you has nicely followed that rule.
Do I need to provide you with  a citation it highly toxic ? Or do you already know sodium fluoride highly toxic. ?
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TheEarthIsASphere.

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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2015, 03:05:43 PM »
The title is self-explanatory. Discuss. If you want to provide evidence for either side, it'd be appreciated if you would cite your credible sources, rather than just making some claim with no base.
Still trying to convince people that piosioning their water supply is a good for their health.  My my what a nasty piece of work you & your crew must be. Maybe your lot could sit down to a bowl of it  & demonstrate how  health sodium fluoride is for you when ingested . They say it works well on the health of rats .

If you don't have anything constructive to say, then fuck off. I was asking for opinions on both sides, with a credible source provided to back up their opinion. So far everyone but you has nicely followed that rule.
Do I need to provide you with  a citation it highly toxic ? Or do you already know sodium fluoride highly toxic. ?

Whatever claims you make need to be backed up with a credible source. It prevents people from making baseless statements, and induces less off-topic arguing about sources.

If you don't want to follow the rules of the thread, then go make your own.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2015, 03:06:03 PM »
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TheEarthIsASphere.

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 03:23:03 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

See? Was that too hard?  ;)

Now, I'm going to provide a counter-point to this. Firstly, you are right: fluoride is toxic. As are the many other chemicals put in city water, like chlorine, for example. The key thing you need to understand here are the specific amounts. There are about 7 milligrams of fluoride per liter[1]. You can test these levels for yourself rather easily. I'm sure there are plenty of online tutorials that can show you how.

Next, in the article you linked, the lethal doses of fluoride are 5-10 grams for adults, and 100-150 milligrams in small children. Which is why water with fluoride traditionally isn't given to small children, but is fine in adults. This means that a person would have to drink at least 750-1500 liters of water in one sitting to even get close to a lethal amount. You can verify this just by doing the conversions.

Finally, when fluoride is ingested, one of a couple of things happen[2]:

1. The fluoride is absorbed by the tooth enamel, strengthening it in the process.
2. It's ingested and it goes through the normal processes that food goes through, it's digested and, like all other vitamins and minerals in foods, it's absorbed by the stomach into your body, or it, erhm, "comes out the other end" like usual.

Anyways, I hope that this may at least change your mind a little bit on water fluoridation.

1: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/faqs/
2: http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/19032/how-is-the-fluoride-in-toothpaste-absorbed
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 03:41:22 PM by TheEarthIsRound. »
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2015, 03:28:22 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2015, 03:37:46 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.

"Type of fluoride"? Fluoride is just an anion of the element fluorine with a charge of 1-. There aren't "different types". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2015, 03:42:33 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.
Then why call one sodium & the other calcium. Fluoride if there is not a difference .?

"Type of fluoride"? Fluoride is just an anion of the element fluorine with a charge of 1-. There aren't "different types". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride
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TheEarthIsASphere.

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2015, 03:45:30 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.
Then why call one sodium & the other calcium. Fluoride if there is not a difference .?

"Type of fluoride"? Fluoride is just an anion of the element fluorine with a charge of 1-. There aren't "different types". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

Those are two totally different chemicals used in water treatment that are unrelated to Fluoride.

Sodium: Na
Calcium Fluoride: CaF2
Fluoride: F-
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2015, 04:00:40 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.
Then why call one sodium & the other calcium. Fluoride if there is not a difference .?

"Type of fluoride"? Fluoride is just an anion of the element fluorine with a charge of 1-. There aren't "different types". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

Those are two totally different chemicals used in water treatment that are unrelated to Fluoride.

Sodium: Na
Calcium Fluoride: CaF2
Fluoride: F-
(NaF)
So you failed chemistry did you or just a deceptive scum bag ?
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2015, 04:16:52 PM »
I don't believe in purposeless conspiracies. That's just paranoia.

Try starting here: http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-myths-facts/
I see they coveniently left out the type of fluoride out of their spin doctoring.
Then why call one sodium & the other calcium. Fluoride if there is not a difference .?

"Type of fluoride"? Fluoride is just an anion of the element fluorine with a charge of 1-. There aren't "different types". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

Those are two totally different chemicals used in water treatment that are unrelated to Fluoride.

Sodium: Na
Calcium Fluoride: CaF2
Fluoride: F-
(NaF)
So you failed chemistry did you or just a deceptive scum bag ?

Nowhere in your post did you mention Sodium Fluoride. Nowhere. You're the one who needs to touch up on your chemistry.
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2015, 04:42:06 PM »
I am for clean water and everybody should have access to it. Trace elements, minerals, in small amounts is probably a good idea.

Here are a few things I have seen said about water.
water has memory
water is softened by magnets
water is the only thing that expands with cold
water is diamagnetic
water is dielectric (pure)
water conducts high tension electricity at it's surface
water can electrically suspend colloidal metals
water cavitation can create sonoluminescence
water cavitation can create elemental transmutation
water can kill you if you drink to much
water can carry micro doses of drugs vitamins and etc that have full dose effect

I use to have a longer list, this is what I can remember for now. Water looks to be some pretty strange stuff and care needs to be taken what you put into it.

If the Earth is a ball why don't we fall off the bottom?

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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2015, 04:42:37 PM »
Lets talk about how much money the aluminum industry save each year by not haveing to dispose of their highly toxic waste product NaF sodium fluoride.  Lets talk about how much profit is made by selling that product to the public under the  deseption of calling poisoning the water supply a benefit & the trustees (service provider) fiat government  milking the trust.trusteship.
The only thing healthy about NaF is their bank accounts
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2015, 05:17:59 PM »
Many places are banning fluoride now.
http://www.fluoridation.com/c-country.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/content/europe-statements/

It was used by governments during ww2 to keep prisoners calmed down and passive, which is it's effect when taken internally.
http://befreetech.com/fluoridation.htm
'Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. "Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile.'

It was first used in drinking water in the US during the city riots in the 60-70's. For the same reasons, to pacify the people. It became widespread with the cover of it being healthy for teeth.
'A predominantly American company was the first to exploit this concept in dentifrice production, and American 'medical research' figured largely in the 'fluorination' processes that converted the negative embarrassment of mounting industrial waste to huge positive profit increases - processes that other countries hastened to emulate; processes which include the enormous outlet for fluorides in the fluoridation of water supplies. '

It only hardens the teeth enamel with topical application to the teeth.
(common knowledge most all sources)

Studies done recently show that the fluoride treatment to teeth is counter productive, does more harm than good.
http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/countries.pdf
In China alone, 30 million people suffer crippling skeletal fluorosis.” (Jamie Bartram, Coordinator of the WHO's Water, Sanitation and Health Program, March 22, 2002
India:
Naturally high levels of fluorides in groundwater have affected at least tens of millions with skeletal fluorosis,
often resulting in crippling skeletal fluorosis.  The Indian government has been working to remove  the fluorides
from drinking water sources to alleviate this crisis.
( many warnings about children being exposed to it most all sources, possible minimum use overdose)

It should be taken out of drinking water everywhere, period. (opinion based on review of facts)
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2015, 05:42:26 PM »
Many places are banning fluoride now. It was used by governments during ww2 to keep prisoners calmed down and passive, which is it's effect when taken internally. It was first used in drinking water in the US during the city riots in the 60-70's. For the same reasons, to pacify the people. It became widespread with the cover of it being healthy for teeth. It only hardens the teeth enamel with topical application to the teeth. Studies done recently show that the fluoride treatment to teeth is counter productive, does more harm than good. It should be taken out of drinking water everywhere, period.

Please provide a credible source, as per the thread rules.
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2015, 08:13:12 PM »
Many places are banning fluoride now. It was used by governments during ww2 to keep prisoners calmed down and passive, which is it's effect when taken internally. It was first used in drinking water in the US during the city riots in the 60-70's. For the same reasons, to pacify the people. It became widespread with the cover of it being healthy for teeth. It only hardens the teeth enamel with topical application to the teeth. Studies done recently show that the fluoride treatment to teeth is counter productive, does more harm than good. It should be taken out of drinking water everywhere, period.

Please provide a credible source, as per the thread rules.
Who made you moderator piss ant ?. When it comes to a credible source your not a very good one.So you can go to hell with your bs thread rule.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 08:19:00 PM by charles bloomington »
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2015, 08:26:10 PM »
Many places are banning fluoride now. It was used by governments during ww2 to keep prisoners calmed down and passive, which is it's effect when taken internally. It was first used in drinking water in the US during the city riots in the 60-70's. For the same reasons, to pacify the people. It became widespread with the cover of it being healthy for teeth. It only hardens the teeth enamel with topical application to the teeth. Studies done recently show that the fluoride treatment to teeth is counter productive, does more harm than good. It should be taken out of drinking water everywhere, period.

Please provide a credible source, as per the thread rules.
Who made you moderator piss ant ?. When it comes to a credible source your not a very good one.So you can go to hell with your bs thread rule.

The you can go fuck off as well you retarded bigot.
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