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fefelarue

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A question for Flat-Earthers
« on: November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM »
Hello everyone.

If you believe there is a wall of ice at the end of the "flat" earth, why have none of you gone there?

You can go on trips to the antarctic.

If there's a wall, why are there no pictures of the wall? I don't mean from other people (because you obviously don't believe other people's photo evidence), but you must believe your own eyes or your own photos and videos!

If you genuinely believe the earth i flat, surely what's past the "ice wall" is the most fascinating thing in the world to you? Why not organize an expedition there?

All it would take is one photo or video to disprove the entirety of modern science. Go there with a drone and fly it up, and surely you'd see what's beyond? Or is there a giant wall that you can't climb? Show me a picture of this giant Ice wall. Or if you can climb it, go up and take a picture looking outwards.

Why have you not done this?

Felix
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM »
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Hello everyone.

If you believe there is a wall of ice at the end of the "flat" earth, why have none of you gone there?

You can go on trips to the antarctic.

No you can't. The place they take the tours  to is close to South America

If there's a wall, why are there no pictures of the wall? I don't mean from other people (because you obviously don't believe other people's photo evidence), but you must believe your own eyes or your own photos and videos!

Governments and the military likely have pictures, but they are not sharing them with the public

If you genuinely believe the earth i flat, surely what's past the "ice wall" is the most fascinating thing in the world to you? Why not organize an expedition there?

Yes, many agree with you that the flat plane of Earth may extend a long way. Early explorers state there are large land masses that are mineral and resource rich there. The common man is not allowed to go there.

All it would take is one photo or video to disprove the entirety of modern science. Go there with a drone and fly it up, and surely you'd see what's beyond? Or is there a giant wall that you can't climb? Show me a picture of this giant Ice wall. Or if you can climb it, go up and take a picture looking outwards.

They will arrest you, kill you or blow your stuff up.

Why have you not done this?

It is not that easy. You would have to evade the authorities. Your trip over the ice may be thousands of miles. It is a very cold desolate and hostile place. The expense is beyond most people.

Felix

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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 04:41:27 PM »
Quote from: ronxyz on November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Hello everyone.

If you believe there is a wall of ice at the end of the "flat" earth, why have none of you gone there?

You can go on trips to the antarctic.

No you can't. The place they take the tours  to is close to South America
Wrong.  tours definitely go to Antarctica and the South pole.  Over 35,000 people go every year and they see days with 24 hours of sunlight.

Quote from: ronxyz on November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
If there's a wall, why are there no pictures of the wall? I don't mean from other people (because you obviously don't believe other people's photo evidence), but you must believe your own eyes or your own photos and videos!

Governments and the military likely have pictures, but they are not sharing them with the public
Then how do you know it is there?

Quote from: ronxyz on November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
If you genuinely believe the earth i flat, surely what's past the "ice wall" is the most fascinating thing in the world to you? Why not organize an expedition there?

Yes, many agree with you that the flat plane of Earth may extend a long way. Early explorers state there are large land masses that are mineral and resource rich there. The common man is not allowed to go there.
Except for those thousands that do every year.   ::)

Quote from: ronxyz on November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
All it would take is one photo or video to disprove the entirety of modern science. Go there with a drone and fly it up, and surely you'd see what's beyond? Or is there a giant wall that you can't climb? Show me a picture of this giant Ice wall. Or if you can climb it, go up and take a picture looking outwards.

They will arrest you, kill you or blow your stuff up.
Prove it.  Plenty of people go there every year and report no military forces at all.

Quote from: ronxyz on November 30, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: fefelarue on November 30, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Why have you not done this?

It is not that easy. You would have to evade the authorities. Your trip over the ice may be thousands of miles. It is a very cold desolate and hostile place. The expense is beyond most people.
Yet people still go there and none report "authorities" to evade.  No whistleblowers have come forward saying they were the "authorities" that keep people from going there.
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fefelarue

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 05:14:23 PM »
But Frenat you are forgetting that flat-earthers seem to absolutely discount any evidence from any source other than their own eyes.

By thinking there is a flat earth, they must also believe that the millions of pilots, engineers, sailors, air traffic controllers, governments, inpedendent space agencies, antarctic scientists, biologists etc etc are all in on one giant conspiracy to keep a secret from them that doesn't really help any of them in any way, fiscally or socially. For them, it wouldn't be hard to believe that a few thousand antarctic tourists/explorers are also fakes/in on the conspiracy.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM »
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see. 
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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM »
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM »
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)
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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM »
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM »
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do. 
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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2015, 06:55:13 PM »
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.
There is no rim continent.  There is a large island where the lines of longitude converge and which gets periods of daylight and darkness similar to and opposite those in the arctic. 
And so what?  Nothing reasonable is denied.  It is there to make sure you plan to follow the conservation act.  It is similar to applying for a visa.  And nobody's going to be tracking you while you're there.  Scientific teams are on their own with no support.
And there is nothing stopping anyone from going there on their own boat.  Nobody patrols the area and you could likely roam around the island continent for months or longer without running into someone.  Even then I doubt the first thing they'll ask is where's your permit.
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pRophet

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM »
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM »
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM »
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarctica specifically. 
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM »
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing. 
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frenat

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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2015, 07:53:55 AM »
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.
Who said anything about killing somebody?  and what would that prove?  You can kill someone anywhere in the world and still have to face the law somewhere, even in international waters.

You don't have to be sneaky.  There is nobody patrolling and little radar coverage.  From what I could find there is ATC radar at McMurdo and that's about it.  Stay more than 100 miles from there and they'd likely never see you or care.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 07:55:04 AM »
I have been there.  I took one of those excursions.  And it wasn't skimming the edge of Antarctica... it was going over the heart of Antarctica.

If you take this site too seriously, you will only raise your blood pressure.
If you take this site for what it is, you will have a good laugh.  I honestly believe that most of the 'flat-earthers' here are just trolls.

So, just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 04:24:05 PM »
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.

I work for the New Zealand military, every summer season we send a C130 aircraft with NZDF personnel and supplies to Scott Base in support of the civilian research mission there. Pers posted to that base are able to organise travel wherever they want in Antarctica. We are even given a pretty medal for completely a full season at Scott Base.

Go somewhere else troll.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2015, 04:28:55 PM »
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.

I work for the New Zealand military, every summer season we send a C130 aircraft with NZDF personnel and supplies to Scott Base in support of the civilian research mission there. Pers posted to that base are able to organise travel wherever they want in Antarctica. We are even given a pretty medal for completely a full season at Scott Base.

Go somewhere else troll.

I bet that flight has to announce its intentions and get permission for the flight before it even leaves the ground.   :-\
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2015, 05:01:48 PM »
Quote from: jroa on December 02, 2015, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
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People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.

I work for the New Zealand military, every summer season we send a C130 aircraft with NZDF personnel and supplies to Scott Base in support of the civilian research mission there. Pers posted to that base are able to organise travel wherever they want in Antarctica. We are even given a pretty medal for completely a full season at Scott Base.

Go somewhere else troll.

I bet that flight has to announce its intentions and get permission for the flight before it even leaves the ground.   :-\
Like by filing a flight plan?  Like any other plane flying anywhere else?  Of course that only applies if it takes off from an airport with controlled airspace and goes near McMurdo which has the only radar on the continent.  And that radar is only going to look out about 100 miles.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 06:00:22 PM »
Quote from: jroa on December 02, 2015, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.

I work for the New Zealand military, every summer season we send a C130 aircraft with NZDF personnel and supplies to Scott Base in support of the civilian research mission there. Pers posted to that base are able to organise travel wherever they want in Antarctica. We are even given a pretty medal for completely a full season at Scott Base.

Go somewhere else troll.

I bet that flight has to announce its intentions and get permission for the flight before it even leaves the ground.   :-\

What is your obsession with flights? Obviously any flight has to file flight plans with ATC. That is irrelevant to this discussion.

You could grab a boat and sail to Antarctica and camp there and nobody will say a single thing to you.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 10:36:49 PM »
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
Obviously any flight has to file flight plans with ATC.
Not true.  I rarely file flight plans for my flights.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2015, 10:57:16 PM »
I wonder why the ball Earth south pole is like hell frozen over while the north pole is almost pleasant? On the ball earth they get about the same amount of sunshine so should be about the same in environment. It makes much more sense on the real flat Earth where the south rim is not surrounded by more temperate adjoining lands like the north central area is thus much colder.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2015, 11:38:43 PM »
Quote from: ronxyz on December 02, 2015, 10:57:16 PM
I wonder why the ball Earth south pole is like hell frozen over while the north pole is almost pleasant? On the ball earth they get about the same amount of sunshine so should be about the same in environment. It makes much more sense on the real flat Earth where the south rim is not surrounded by more temperate adjoining lands like the north central area is thus much colder.

Other than being at the poles, the Arctic and Antarctic are about as different as it's possible to be. The Arctic is situated over an ocean surrounded by land in a hemisphere that is dominated by landmass. The Antarctic is a landmass surrounded by ocean. This creates very, very different weather conditions.
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Re: A question for Flat-Earthers
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2015, 12:10:34 AM »
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: jroa on December 02, 2015, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: pRophet on December 02, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: frenat on December 01, 2015, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: jroa on December 01, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: pRophet on November 30, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: frenat on November 30, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: jroa on November 30, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
People do, in fact go to Antarctica on tours.  That does not mean they are free to wonder where ever they please.  They are restricted on where they can go and what they can do.  It is like visiting North Korea; you get to see only what your minders want for you to see.
Only because the tour companies don't want the liability of people wandering off and dying.  How DARE they!!!

Scientific expeditions CAN go where ever they please.

Even "Scientific expeditions" have to apply for a permit before they even step foot on the Rim Continent.  ::)

Wrong.  Since the "rim continent" does not exist I assume you mean Antarctica.  And so what?  They still go wherever they want without an escort.

They apply for a permit.  Period.  If the Rim Continent controllers don't like where you plan to go or what you plan to do, they will deny your permit.  Period.  You can not just go to Antarctica any time you want to and do what ever you want to do.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. Anybody can literally go to Antarctica any time they want to and what ever they want to. There is no governing authority as no country claims it. It's as close to a free land as you could ever possibly get.

Go fly a plane to Antarctica unannounced and let us know how that works out for you.  ::)
and what do you propose will happen?  Antarctica doesn't have air defenses and precious little radar.

but there is another issue.  Go fly anywhere unannounced.  You go through various airspaces without a flight plan or radio contact and you'll be in violation of FAA or other countries aviation laws.  That has nothing to do with Antarcticbeen a hunter?  Perhaps you would do better to stick to subjects that you actually know a thing or two about to discuss with us?  a specifically. 

Antarctica is not the lawless wild west that you people make it out to be.  If you kill someone in Antarctica, for example, you will likely be prosecuted by some jurisdiction.  The same goes for someone who makes a surprise visit to the Rim Continent.  You would likely be prosecuted unless you are simply very, very sneaky about it.  As far as I know, we have no Ninjas who frequent this forum, so I doubt any of you could sneak onto the continent without anyone noticing.

I work for the New Zealand military, every summer season we send a C130 aircraft with NZDF personnel and supplies to Scott Base in support of the civilian research mission there. Pers posted to that base are able to organise travel wherever they want in Antarctica. We are even given a pretty medal for completely a full season at Scott Base.

Go somewhere else troll.

I bet that flight has to announce its intentions and get permission for the flight before it even leaves the ground.   :-\

What is your obsession with flights? Obviously any flight has to file flight plans with ATC. That is irrelevant to this discussion.

You could grab a boat and sail to Antarctica and camp there and nobody will say a single thing to you.

You are the one who brought up a flight to Antarctica.  You then brought up some irrelevant flights that these people can arrange at will while there.  And then you accuse me of being obsessed with flights?  ???
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