How entrenched are belieFErs?

The usual selective quotes, personal attacks and insults followed ...

You do not need advanced science and theories to see that the Earth is a flat plane. Just go look. There is zero physical proof of the ball Earth theory. No one anywhere has provided any, none. It can not be done because the Earth has no curve. What the Earth looks like is apparently not known. If it is known it is not being shared with common man.

I'm not one who calls myself entrenched in believing the Earth is flat. However, I do doubt the Earth is the shape science says it is. We are told the Earth is actually is not a perfect sphere. The actual shape is what we refer to as an oblate sphere. This means that the poles (north and south) are flat. The center of Earth (along the equator) bulges out. The below example may be exaggerated, But I would expect the pictures of Earth to look something like this.

I did a search of pictures of the Earth from space and I never found any pictures of Earth resembling this image at all. What I find is pictures that look almost perfectly round. Below is one of the more recent pictures of Earth.

This picture looks perfectly round to me. Why is that, I'd expect to see somewhat an oblate shaped Earth? I don't see any flatness at the poles and any bulge at the equator. I've even heard Neil deGrasse Tyson say the Earth is actually pear shaped. I certainly don't see any pear shape. This is the same picture with a perfectly round circle around it done with DraftSight.

By telling us the the Earth is an oblate sphere or it is pear shaped and all the pictures they show us are nearly perfectly round, really creates doubt in the minds of some of some of us that they are really telling us the truth as to what shape the Earth really is. I guess it is just easier for some then others to accept what we are told.

You do not need advanced science and theories to see that the Earth is a flat plane. Just go look. There is zero physical proof of the ball Earth theory. No one anywhere has provided any, none. It can not be done because the Earth has no curve. What the Earth looks like is apparently not known. If it is known it is not being shared with common man.

I can confirm that the flight was extremely smooth at our cruising altitude, and any signs of weather were thousands of feet down. At this high altitude, the sky was an intense indigo blue, and the view was truly remarkable. Looking out the window, one could make out the gradual curve of the earth below, and it was even more evident when viewed from inside the cabin over the span of a few windows.

Quote from: Yendor on November 19, 2015, 09:26:55 AM

I'm not one who calls myself entrenched in believing the Earth is flat. However, I do doubt the Earth is the shape science says it is. We are told the Earth is actually is not a perfect sphere. The actual shape is what we refer to as an oblate sphere. This means that the poles (north and south) are flat. The center of Earth (along the equator) bulges out. The below example may be exaggerated, But I would expect the pictures of Earth to look something like this.

I did a search of pictures of the Earth from space and I never found any pictures of Earth resembling this image at all. What I find is pictures that look almost perfectly round. Below is one of the more recent pictures of Earth.

This picture looks perfectly round to me. Why is that, I'd expect to see somewhat an oblate shaped Earth? I don't see any flatness at the poles and any bulge at the equator. I've even heard Neil deGrasse Tyson say the Earth is actually pear shaped. I certainly don't see any pear shape. This is the same picture with a perfectly round circle around it done with DraftSight.

By telling us the the Earth is an oblate sphere or it is pear shaped and all the pictures they show us are nearly perfectly round, really creates doubt in the minds of some of some of us that they are really telling us the truth as to what shape the Earth really is. I guess it is just easier for some then others to accept what we are told.

You have been told earlier that the imperfections are too small to see with the naked human eye. Take a bowling ball. It is not a perfect sphere. Sure, it looks like one (not taking the holes into account) but on a micro scale it is not perfect - there are imperfections which could be likened to our mountains and valleys. These are what causes friction. Look at this source:
http://www.curiouser.co.uk/facts/smooth_earth.htm
Earth is about as smooth as a billiard ball.

Quote from: ronxyz on November 19, 2015, 03:22:02 AM

You do not need advanced science and theories to see that the Earth is a flat plane. Just go look. There is zero physical proof of the ball Earth theory. No one anywhere has provided any, none. It can not be done because the Earth has no curve. What the Earth looks like is apparently not known. If it is known it is not being shared with common man.

You seem broadly educated and open-minded ...

I take it you are on the "very entrenched" side then?

I have only been aware that the Earth is a flat plane a week or so. The realization is so concrete that no thing could dissuade it. After seeing it the fact it is undeniable. I do not know the shape or the system of the Earth as it is, only that the portion we are one is a flat plane. I can only say to examine it with your own eyes and use your own mind to make your conclusions.

Only if earth was the size of a billiard ball, but that doesn't mean it is as round as a billiard ball. To tell people the it a shape other than round and only post pictures of earth being round is very misleading.
The video of the earth from the window of the Apollo 11 mission doesn't look as round as the above picture I showed. I do realize that there is a shadow on the right side. The below video shows that. Also, I made note at 1:30 to 11:43min. of the video and I did not see the cloud formations change at all during that time. That is around 150 miles the earth rotated during that length of time, clouds don't stay in one place that long. It doesn't look real to me, it looks like a picture. Does it look real to you?
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You do not need advanced science and theories to see that the Earth is a flat plane. Just go look. There is zero physical proof of the ball Earth theory. No one anywhere has provided any, none. It can not be done because the Earth has no curve. What the Earth looks like is apparently not known. If it is known it is not being shared with common man.

Quote from: Yendor on November 19, 2015, 11:17:24 AM

Only if earth was the size of a billiard ball, but that doesn't mean it is as round as a billiard ball. To tell people the it a shape other than round and only post pictures of earth being round is very misleading.
The video of the earth from the window of the Apollo 11 mission doesn't look as round as the above picture I showed. I do realize that there is a shadow on the right side. The below video shows that. Also, I made note at 1:30 to 11:43min. of the video and I did not see the cloud formations change at all during that time. That is around 150 miles the earth rotated during that length of time, clouds don't stay in one place that long. It doesn't look real to me, it looks like a picture. Does it look real to you?
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Smoothness doesn't care about scale you know, right? If the earth is as smooth as a billiard ball it doesn't matter how large it is. If you get the same perspective of a billiard ball as of earth (They both appear equally large) they will seem just equally round. If you scaled a billiard ball up to the size of the earth, then it would appear to be just as round from space, but the surface would be very mountainous.
For the video, I don't know how you can see wether it is a difference or not. It's the same shapes, but it has also only been 10 minutes. Earth rotated about 4° (which is roughly 1.1° of a full rotation - on that video you are not gonna notice anything). I have seen plenty of clouds staying the same shape for 10 minutes. I don't know why it seems so much like an alien concept to you.

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 19, 2015, 09:50:03 PM

Quote from: Yendor on November 19, 2015, 11:17:24 AM

Only if earth was the size of a billiard ball, but that doesn't mean it is as round as a billiard ball. To tell people the it a shape other than round and only post pictures of earth being round is very misleading.
The video of the earth from the window of the Apollo 11 mission doesn't look as round as the above picture I showed. I do realize that there is a shadow on the right side. The below video shows that. Also, I made note at 1:30 to 11:43min. of the video and I did not see the cloud formations change at all during that time. That is around 150 miles the earth rotated during that length of time, clouds don't stay in one place that long. It doesn't look real to me, it looks like a picture. Does it look real to you?
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Smoothness doesn't care about scale you know, right? If the earth is as smooth as a billiard ball it doesn't matter how large it is. If you get the same perspective of a billiard ball as of earth (They both appear equally large) they will seem just equally round. If you scaled a billiard ball up to the size of the earth, then it would appear to be just as round from space, but the surface would be very mountainous.
For the video, I don't know how you can see wether it is a difference or not. It's the same shapes, but it has also only been 10 minutes. Earth rotated about 4° (which is roughly 1.1° of a full rotation - on that video you are not gonna notice anything). I have seen plenty of clouds staying the same shape for 10 minutes. I don't know why it seems so much like an alien concept to you.

You have seen clouds stay in the same spot and shape for 10 minutes? I never have. Watch that video again and see if you can see any clouds move at all over the entire earth, I can't and I believe that would be impossible because you know the wind has to be blowing somewhere and the clouds would be moving. I don't understand why the concept of clouds moving is so alien to you.

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 19, 2015, 09:50:03 PM

Quote from: Yendor on November 19, 2015, 11:17:24 AM

Only if earth was the size of a billiard ball, but that doesn't mean it is as round as a billiard ball. To tell people the it a shape other than round and only post pictures of earth being round is very misleading.
The video of the earth from the window of the Apollo 11 mission doesn't look as round as the above picture I showed. I do realize that there is a shadow on the right side. The below video shows that. Also, I made note at 1:30 to 11:43min. of the video and I did not see the cloud formations change at all during that time. That is around 150 miles the earth rotated during that length of time, clouds don't stay in one place that long. It doesn't look real to me, it looks like a picture. Does it look real to you?
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Smoothness doesn't care about scale you know, right? If the earth is as smooth as a billiard ball it doesn't matter how large it is. If you get the same perspective of a billiard ball as of earth (They both appear equally large) they will seem just equally round. If you scaled a billiard ball up to the size of the earth, then it would appear to be just as round from space, but the surface would be very mountainous.
For the video, I don't know how you can see wether it is a difference or not. It's the same shapes, but it has also only been 10 minutes. Earth rotated about 4° (which is roughly 1.1° of a full rotation - on that video you are not gonna notice anything). I have seen plenty of clouds staying the same shape for 10 minutes. I don't know why it seems so much like an alien concept to you.

You have seen clouds stay in the same spot and shape for 10 minutes? I never have. Watch that video again and see if you can see any clouds move at all over the entire earth, I can't and I believe that would be impossible because you know the wind has to be blowing somewhere and the clouds would be moving. I don't understand why the concept of clouds moving is so alien to you.

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 19, 2015, 09:50:03 PM

Quote from: Yendor on November 19, 2015, 11:17:24 AM

Only if earth was the size of a billiard ball, but that doesn't mean it is as round as a billiard ball. To tell people the it a shape other than round and only post pictures of earth being round is very misleading.
The video of the earth from the window of the Apollo 11 mission doesn't look as round as the above picture I showed. I do realize that there is a shadow on the right side. The below video shows that. Also, I made note at 1:30 to 11:43min. of the video and I did not see the cloud formations change at all during that time. That is around 150 miles the earth rotated during that length of time, clouds don't stay in one place that long. It doesn't look real to me, it looks like a picture. Does it look real to you?
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Smoothness doesn't care about scale you know, right? If the earth is as smooth as a billiard ball it doesn't matter how large it is. If you get the same perspective of a billiard ball as of earth (They both appear equally large) they will seem just equally round. If you scaled a billiard ball up to the size of the earth, then it would appear to be just as round from space, but the surface would be very mountainous.
For the video, I don't know how you can see wether it is a difference or not. It's the same shapes, but it has also only been 10 minutes. Earth rotated about 4° (which is roughly 1.1° of a full rotation - on that video you are not gonna notice anything). I have seen plenty of clouds staying the same shape for 10 minutes. I don't know why it seems so much like an alien concept to you.

You have seen clouds stay in the same spot and shape for 10 minutes? I never have. Watch that video again and see if you can see any clouds move at all over the entire earth, I can't and I believe that would be impossible because you know the wind has to be blowing somewhere and the clouds would be moving. I don't understand why the concept of clouds moving is so alien to you.

Now, me and others have on several occasions pointed out that UA does not work with relativity, have provided simple information of the how and why and pointed out the general mistake in their logic (which is mixing frames of reference to their liking).

Some FEs might argue that from the earth's point of view the time is also slowing down in the universe, but they misunderstand (or misrepresent) inertial frame of references. The observations I point out work, because from the earth the time in the universe is accelerating, not slowing down, as the universe is an inertial frame of reference and that means, yes, time dilation works in one direction only here. Only two accelerating frames of reference would see each other's time slow down ... read up on it if you think I am pulling your strings here.

Quote from: Soulblood

Some FEs might argue that from the earth's point of view the time is also slowing down in the universe, but they misunderstand (or misrepresent) inertial frame of references. The observations I point out work, because from the earth the time in the universe is accelerating, not slowing down, as the universe is an inertial frame of reference and that means, yes, time dilation works in one direction only here. Only two accelerating frames of reference would see each other's time slow down ... read up on it if you think I am pulling your strings here.

Even though I have already shown the errors in your understanding of Relativity, you simply choose to ignore them and claim that I am purposefully misrepresenting Relativity.

My question at this point is ... if the correction of your understanding of a basic tenant of Special Relativity leads to such a blind and dogmatic defense, what does that tell us about the open-mindedness and mental agility of RE'ers?