Explain why the stars look different in different hemispheres

With a flat Earth model, all the stars in the sky should look the same based on where you're standing, as everyone faces the same direction on a flat Earth, yet, this isn't true. If one is in the southern hemisphere, they'll see a different night sky than someone in the northern hemisphere. Example:



How does the flat Earth model explain this? At this point, it doesn't seem to have much of an explanation to back it up, so I'd say this is a pretty good disproof of the flat Earth model.

Also, keep that DET bullshit out of here. I don't want to hear it. There's no proof for it, whatsoever.

With a flat Earth model, all the stars in the sky should look the same based on where you're standing, as everyone faces the same direction on a flat Earth, yet, this isn't true. If one is in the southern hemisphere, they'll see a different night sky than someone in the northern hemisphere. Example:



How does the flat Earth model explain this? At this point, it doesn't seem to have much of an explanation to back it up, so I'd say this is a pretty good disproof of the flat Earth model.

Also, keep that DET bullshit out of here. I don't want to hear it. There's no proof for it, whatsoever.

Very good way to cut down any FEer. I also tried to question them on how stars form in the first place and manage to stay together without the gravity being as strong or not existing at all. No logical replies yet.

Quote from: TheEarthIsRoundNotFlat on November 10, 2015, 11:30:01 AM

With a flat Earth model, all the stars in the sky should look the same based on where you're standing, as everyone faces the same direction on a flat Earth, yet, this isn't true. If one is in the southern hemisphere, they'll see a different night sky than someone in the northern hemisphere. Example:



How does the flat Earth model explain this? At this point, it doesn't seem to have much of an explanation to back it up, so I'd say this is a pretty good disproof of the flat Earth model.

Also, keep that DET bullshit out of here. I don't want to hear it. There's no proof for it, whatsoever.

Very good way to cut down any FEer. I also tried to question them on how stars form in the first place and manage to stay together without the gravity being as strong or not existing at all. No logical replies yet.

Agreed. This is the one thing that can disprove a flat Earth model.

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense. 

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

Sorry, I explained that wrong. It'd be more like this:

The direction of the sky would be in the same direction for everyone, up.

Keep in mind 2 things:

• In the UFET model, you can't see the S. Celestial Pole (center of star trails around Sigma Ocatanis, a point near the middle) from on top of the disk.
• Sigma Octanis, a star, a point in the sky, would have a 50,000+ mi arc across the sky and must be viewed looking south everywhere on Earth. On the 50,000+ Antarctica wall, where exactly is it?

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

And Jroa, again, please stop derailing the thread because it's not going towards a flat Earth "victory".

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 01:41:47 PM

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

Sorry, I explained that wrong. It'd be more like this:

Quote

The direction of the sky would be in the same direction for everyone, up.

If you were to put a poster in the middle of the ceiling of your room, would it not look right side up from one wall, and upside down from the adjacent wall?  I don't really understand what you are having problems with understanding.  Why would the stars look the same from every location if the Earth is flat? 

Keep in mind 2 things:

• In the UFET model, you can't see the S. Celestial Pole (center of star trails around Sigma Ocatanis, a point near the middle) from on top of the disk.
• Sigma Octanis, a star, a point in the sky, would have a 50,000+ mi arc across the sky and must be viewed looking south everywhere on Earth. On the 50,000+ Antarctica wall, where exactly is it?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Sigma Octanis is commonly known as the "South Star", which means it wouldn't be visible on a flat Earth.

Quote from: TheEarthIsRoundNotFlat on November 10, 2015, 01:43:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 01:41:47 PM

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

Sorry, I explained that wrong. It'd be more like this:

Quote

The direction of the sky would be in the same direction for everyone, up.

If you were to put a poster in the middle of the ceiling of your room, would it not look right side up from one wall, and upside down from the adjacent wall?  I don't really understand what you are having problems with understanding.  Why would the stars look the same from every location if the Earth is flat?

That's not what I'm trying to get at here. If you take a trip to the lower southern hemisphere, you'll see a completely different set of constellations and star clusters than if you're in the northern hemisphere. Why don't you take a vacation and see it for yourself?

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 01:48:50 PM

Quote from: TheEarthIsRoundNotFlat on November 10, 2015, 01:43:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 01:41:47 PM

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

Sorry, I explained that wrong. It'd be more like this:

Quote

The direction of the sky would be in the same direction for everyone, up.

If you were to put a poster in the middle of the ceiling of your room, would it not look right side up from one wall, and upside down from the adjacent wall?  I don't really understand what you are having problems with understanding.  Why would the stars look the same from every location if the Earth is flat?

That's not what I'm trying to get at here. If you take a trip to the lower southern hemisphere, you'll see a completely different set of constellations and star clusters than if you're in the northern hemisphere. Why don't you take a vacation and see it for yourself?

Why do the trees look different in North Carolina than they look in Sydney Australia?  Could it be because they are far away from each other?  Case closed. 

With a flat Earth model, all the stars in the sky should look the same based on where you're standing, as everyone faces the same direction on a flat Earth, yet, this isn't true. If one is in the southern hemisphere, they'll see a different night sky than someone in the northern hemisphere. Example:



How does the flat Earth model explain this? At this point, it doesn't seem to have much of an explanation to back it up, so I'd say this is a pretty good disproof of the flat Earth model.

Also, keep that DET bullshit out of here. I don't want to hear it. There's no proof for it, whatsoever.

If you're basing an argument on astrology, I've heard all I need to.

Also, keep that DET bullshit out of here. I don't want to hear it. There's no proof for it, whatsoever.

If you're basing an argument on astrology, I've heard all I need to.

A good way to deny facts is by plugging your ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

Why do the trees look different in North Carolina than they look in Sydney Australia?  Could it be because they are far away from each other?  Case closed.

What's your point?

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 01:41:47 PM

Why do the trees look different in North Carolina than they look in Sydney Australia?  Could it be because they are far away from each other?  Case closed.

What's your point?

My point is that things that are close to you will look different from things that are far away from you.  Why would you claim otherwise? 

With a flat Earth model, all the stars in the sky should look the same based on where you're standing, as everyone faces the same direction on a flat Earth,

  ---- not so. 
Your premises are wrong.  You are assuming the stars are far away.  Reality is not that complicated. 

The stars are closer than you think. 
Imagine a bunch of helicopters together in 3 dimensional formation flying over your head at night. 


Next question?

Why would every flat Earther be facing the same direction?  You really make no sense.

It makes no sense to you because, like JRoweSkeptic, you don't understand astronomy. That doesn't mean what we say isn't true. (BTW, this is why I believe JRoa, JRowe, and JRoweSkeptic are the same accounts).

The S. Celestial Pole is right above the S. Pole. - the most southern part of the Sky and Earth you can get. You look straight up at it at the S. Pole. To face it, EVERYONE EVERYWHERE MUST look south. Sigma Octanis is the star right in the middle of the star trails. To see Sigma Octanis, EVERYONE EVERYWHERE MUST look south. With the Antarctica wall being EVERYWHERE south, where is the star in the 50,000+ mi coastline?

Furthermore, since the dome begins at the S.Pole (Antarctica) Sigma Octanis has to be on the ground at the edge. This is clearly not true as we have pictures of it in the sky. The star can not be on the ground and in the sky at the same time.

In this picture, the "S. Pole" is the edge of the disk. Sigma Octanis is a star, a point, directly above the S.Pole/edge. Where is it on the edge? (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Flat_earth.png)

Is the direction south not a different direction to everyone on Earth, whether it is round or flat?

As a poster on YT said "This [FE] theory falls apart quickly when you have amateur astronomer present." Amateur astronomy destroys FE theories.

As a poster on YT said "This [FE] theory falls apart quickly when you have amateur astronomer present." Amateur astronomy destroys FE theories.

Really?  You simply stating that it is destroyed makes it so?  You don't have to actually destroy it, you merely have to claim it is destroyed and then parade around with your tail feathers in the air like a peacock to make it so?  You are a very powerful, or arrogant, person indeed. 

Is the direction south not a different direction to everyone on Earth, whether it is round or flat?

No it is not a different direction. South is where you point with your back to the N. Pole. Below the equator, everyone with their backs to the N. Pole can point at Sigma Octanis directly in front of them. How is that possible on a FE map? EVERYONE EVERYWHERE must face south and view Sigma Octanis above the S. Pole AT THE SAME TIME. On a Flat Earth, exactly where is the S. Pole? Remember that Sigma Octanis is a star, a point.

Why the fixation on the southern hemiplane?  Are you from Australia or something?  Perhaps you have some evidence to back up your claims?  Or, perhaps you are just lying to make yourself seem smart?  You tell me. 

Quote from: Jadyyn on November 10, 2015, 04:51:49 PM

As a poster on YT said "This [FE] theory falls apart quickly when you have amateur astronomer present." Amateur astronomy destroys FE theories.

Really?  You simply stating that it is destroyed makes it so?  You don't have to actually destroy it, you merely have to claim it is destroyed and then parade around with your tail feathers in the air like a peacock to make it so?  You are a very powerful, or arrogant, person indeed. 

Yes, really. Not simply stating it. You can't even see the S. Celestial Pole from above the disk. FET -> destroyed.

I will remember your post. When JRoweSkeptic or someone claims BS, I will quote you... Thank you JRoa. I like it.

Why the fixation on the southern hemiplane?  Are you from Australia or something?  Perhaps you have some evidence to back up your claims?  Or, perhaps you are just lying to make yourself seem smart?  You tell me. 

Why the fixation on the southern hemiplane?  Are you from Australia or something?  Perhaps you have some evidence to back up your claims?  Or, perhaps you are just lying to make yourself seem smart?  You tell me.

First, we are discussing UFET. There is no southern hemidisk. Get with the program. (a plane extends to infinity. Which model does this? They are all DISKS. Learn proper terminology).

The fixation is because UFET FAILS below the equator (that is why JRowe/JRoweSkeptic dreamt up DEF). DEF > UFET.

Obviously you do not recognize evidence when you see it. I have presented evidence here:

No it is not a different direction. South is where you point with your back to the N. Pole. Below the equator, everyone with their backs to the N. Pole can point at Sigma Octanis directly in front of them. How is that possible on a FE map? EVERYONE EVERYWHERE must face south and view Sigma Octanis above the S. Pole AT THE SAME TIME. On a Flat Earth, exactly where is the S. Pole? Remember that Sigma Octanis is a star, a point.

and here:

You can't even see the S. Celestial Pole from above the disk.

Evidence = UFET -> DESTROYED.

If you had real evidence or arguments, you JR (whatever accounts), would not need to stoop to insulting people.

What the heck is UFET?  Is that something you just made up?

You flat Earthers are all idiots stringing together incoherent sentences and trying to talk about shit you don't know squat about. If you don't know shit about what you're trying to talk about, then shut up.

Oh, so you did just make it up. 

Oh, so you did just make it up. 

No, I didn't. I have traveled to the Southern Hemisphere on multiple account and observed this!. It didn't just make this shit up on a whim. It comes from common knowledge, common sense, and personal experience.

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 06:29:01 PM

Oh, so you did just make it up. 

No, I didn't. I have traveled to the Southern Hemisphere on multiple account and observed this!. It didn't just make this shit up on a whim. It comes from common knowledge, common sense, and personal experience.

Yeah, and I am sure you are an Astronaut and an Antarctic explorer, too.  Perhaps you will claim to be a U-2 pilot as well? 

Quote from: TheEarthIsRoundNotFlat on November 10, 2015, 06:30:37 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 06:29:01 PM

Oh, so you did just make it up. 

No, I didn't. I have traveled to the Southern Hemisphere on multiple account and observed this!. It didn't just make this shit up on a whim. It comes from common knowledge, common sense, and personal experience.

Yeah, and I am sure you are an Astronaut and an Antarctic explorer, too.  Perhaps you will claim to be a U-2 pilot as well? 

No. I'm none of those things. I went on vacation, I looked at the stars, I noticed the differences. Is that a hard concept for little Jroa to understand?

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 06:39:49 PM

Quote from: TheEarthIsRoundNotFlat on November 10, 2015, 06:30:37 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 10, 2015, 06:29:01 PM

Oh, so you did just make it up. 

No, I didn't. I have traveled to the Southern Hemisphere on multiple account and observed this!. It didn't just make this shit up on a whim. It comes from common knowledge, common sense, and personal experience.

Yeah, and I am sure you are an Astronaut and an Antarctic explorer, too.  Perhaps you will claim to be a U-2 pilot as well? 

No. I'm none of those things. I went on vacation, I looked at the stars, I noticed the differences. Is that a hard concept for little Jroa to understand?

Oh, so this is just an anecdotal story then?