Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth

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sokarul

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2015, 11:27:01 AM »
How much extra weight should objects under 4,000 psi gain?

Stop evading.
Evading what? It's a  simple question.

What color is sound?

That's also a clear, simple question. What's your point? You are evading the topic under discussion.
Sound doesn't show color. You need electromagnetic waves.
My point is denpressure is false. You will notice skeptic ist trying to back you up. He knows I already crushed denpresure.

The problems with denpressure:

High and low pressure should affect gravity, but this is never seen.

Two identically shaped objects but with different masses should show the same weight according to denpressure, since they have the same surface area. But this isn't seen.

Denpressure would have no way to tell an objects density.

Denpressure would be a force. Objects in freefall do not feel a force.


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Kirk Johnson

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2015, 02:39:41 PM »
The problems with denpressure:

High and low pressure should affect gravity, but this is never seen.

Two identically shaped objects but with different masses should show the same weight according to denpressure, since they have the same surface area. But this isn't seen.

Denpressure would have no way to tell an objects density.

Denpressure would be a force. Objects in freefall do not feel a force.

He will ignore everything you just said, despite being completely rebuttals to denpressure. He's just trolling.

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2015, 03:23:24 AM »
Why does air need to be sentient to be able to move? Pressure can't build up if there's an escape, this is incredibly simple. I made claims relevant only to systems where pressure developed. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
What I am trying to say is that pressure can't push us down. Above us is both larger, greater distances and more space for air to escape, than below us. You'd have to violate your own laws of pressure to keep us on the ground with pressure.

More the inverse of exponential. Log maybe. So?
Better. But see above for why it won't matter much. No matter what the absolute cap of the function is, below there should be greater pressure than above.

Space is fluid.[CITATION NEEDED] It acts as the barrier. I have explained this before.
How does it act as a barrier? Why don't it get blown away by the pressure or come back down if it is a fluid? And if air exists inside this fluid (there is literally space down here on earth, or we would not fit on earth) why does it act as a barrier at a specific height above us? And does that not make this barrier more or less of a dome?

Really? You took an example that made you comfortable, and one that wasn't similar to what was under discussion. Take a situation that we've already established could exist: 8n molecules against twice the surface area. Please share how 8/2 =1
Where did you get 8n from? Show me your calculations. These are just random numbers without any context.
You can't ignore everything that makes denpressure work and then claim it works in a situation it wouldn't.
Space is not on earth, that's ridiculous.
I have already shown altering the dimensions could let us end up with 8n.

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2015, 03:24:04 AM »
I call you an alt because you are, jadyyn. You're online at the same times, you have no purpose except to compliment one another and go after the same people. It's all an ego trip, and I see no point in answering questions which have always been answered, jadyyn. Alts get permabanned, low content posters get banned, you really need a time off. Mods, please?

This is no proof. Prove that Jadyyn and I are the same person.

After that: Prove that it changes something relevant to the topic.

The mods can check our IPs and online times. They can verify how stupid you are making these claims.
Proxies exist, and your defensiveness, and how often you're buttbuddies is proof enough.

The existence of proxies does not proof that me and jadyyn are the same person.

Our "defensiveness" also prove nothing. This is a message board: I can defend any argument or statement I wish, since I'm keeping it on-topic.

Try again.

Your constant posting in the same threads, your exact same argument and writing style, your constant backing up of one another however do. Sock puppet would be a better term.

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2015, 03:25:14 AM »
I told you why this was not true. The pressure is caused by the collisions with air molecules. There will be more of these at closer walls.
Scepti didn't really give an answer, so I'll ask you (I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere), would the pressure difference between the side and ends of the tank have a measurable difference if one were to install gauges at these two locations?
The observer effect would interfere. If you insert a gauge you will change the pressure. It's the same problem with measuring resistance in a circuit, or pressure n a tyre.
I was thinking one would use a non-pressurized tank, drill and tap a hole at the two desired locations, and install screw-in digital gauges (preferably the most accurate possible, but this could also depend on what you would calculate the difference to be given a specified overall pressure), and then pressurize the tank.  Surely this would work as the gauges are pre-installed.
That would still alter the internal pressure: new shapes, weakened walls... You would find a difference, however, though it would not be reliable.

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2015, 03:26:52 AM »
How much extra weight should objects under 4,000 psi gain?

Stop evading.
Evading what? It's a  simple question.

What color is sound?

That's also a clear, simple question. What's your point? You are evading the topic under discussion.
Sound doesn't show color. You need electromagnetic waves.
My point is denpressure is false. You will notice skeptic ist trying to back you up. He knows I already crushed denpresure.

The problems with denpressure:

High and low pressure should affect gravity, but this is never seen.

Two identically shaped objects but with different masses should show the same weight according to denpressure, since they have the same surface area. But this isn't seen.

Denpressure would have no way to tell an objects density.

Denpressure would be a force. Objects in freefall do not feel a force.
Sound doesn't carry color. So what? I never claimed it did. Just because you can phrase a question doesn't make it meaningful.
Surface area clearly affects how things fall: parachutes. Gravity is always treated as a force. Net pressure does affect how things fall. Minor perturbations don't matter.

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2015, 04:04:51 AM »
The observer effect would interfere. If you insert a gauge you will change the pressure. It's the same problem with measuring resistance in a circuit, or pressure n a tyre.

This is the stupidest answer I have seen in my entire life.


He is a really obvious troll - ignore him and he'll get bored.
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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2015, 04:06:08 AM »
You can't ignore everything that makes denpressure work and then claim it works in a situation it wouldn't.
I have not ignored anything, so I have no idea what you are talking about. You however seem to ignore the fact that your model of pressure and denpressure contradicts itself.

Space is not on earth, that's ridiculous.
Nope. The opposite is ridiculous. How would we fit on earth if there was no space to exist in? Space is the medium through which particles travel and exist in. Without space, matter would not exist on earth. Earth would not exist at all. You DO know I'm not talking about the astronomical definition of space, right? Since you spoke of space as a physical object I did the same, it's the spatial dimensions.

I have already shown altering the dimensions could let us end up with 8n.
Show me the math then, shouldn't be too hard.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Jadyyn

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2015, 08:26:10 AM »
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Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).
Please explain why this is wrong...
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sokarul

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2015, 09:46:44 AM »
How much extra weight should objects under 4,000 psi gain?

Stop evading.
Evading what? It's a  simple question.

What color is sound?

That's also a clear, simple question. What's your point? You are evading the topic under discussion.
Sound doesn't show color. You need electromagnetic waves.
My point is denpressure is false. You will notice skeptic ist trying to back you up. He knows I already crushed denpresure.

The problems with denpressure:

High and low pressure should affect gravity, but this is never seen.

Two identically shaped objects but with different masses should show the same weight according to denpressure, since they have the same surface area. But this isn't seen.

Denpressure would have no way to tell an objects density.

Denpressure would be a force. Objects in freefall do not feel a force.
Sound doesn't carry color. So what? I never claimed it did. Just because you can phrase a question doesn't make it meaningful.
Surface area clearly affects how things fall: parachutes. Gravity is always treated as a force. Net pressure does affect how things fall. Minor perturbations don't matter.
1. Here, what is the weight of an object at 4,000psi when it weighs 1 pound at 14.7 psi?
2. Speaking of parachutes, how would they both be pushed down by air pressure while being pushed up at the same time? If surface area affected how things fall in your model, a hollow object would weigh the same as a solid object if they had the same surface area.
3. Gravity can be treated as a force but we know it's not. Ask Einstien.
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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #160 on: November 17, 2015, 01:06:46 AM »
The observer effect would interfere. If you insert a gauge you will change the pressure. It's the same problem with measuring resistance in a circuit, or pressure n a tyre.

This is the stupidest answer I have seen in my entire life.


He is a really obvious troll - ignore him and he'll get bored.
It's a well documented occurence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
Just read the intro.

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2015, 01:07:43 AM »
You can't ignore everything that makes denpressure work and then claim it works in a situation it wouldn't.
I have not ignored anything, so I have no idea what you are talking about. You however seem to ignore the fact that your model of pressure and denpressure contradicts itself.

Space is not on earth, that's ridiculous.
Nope. The opposite is ridiculous. How would we fit on earth if there was no space to exist in? Space is the medium through which particles travel and exist in. Without space, matter would not exist on earth. Earth would not exist at all. You DO know I'm not talking about the astronomical definition of space, right? Since you spoke of space as a physical object I did the same, it's the spatial dimensions.

I have already shown altering the dimensions could let us end up with 8n.
Show me the math then, shouldn't be too hard.
You have ignored everything. I explained the problem with your analogy and how pressure worked, you believe you're in space, and you ignore the fact I've given the math before. Are you trolling or just stalling?

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2015, 01:08:34 AM »
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Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).
Please explain why this is wrong...
I can't point out a flaw in something that doesn't make sense.

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2015, 01:09:15 AM »
How much extra weight should objects under 4,000 psi gain?

Stop evading.
Evading what? It's a  simple question.

What color is sound?

That's also a clear, simple question. What's your point? You are evading the topic under discussion.
Sound doesn't show color. You need electromagnetic waves.
My point is denpressure is false. You will notice skeptic ist trying to back you up. He knows I already crushed denpresure.

The problems with denpressure:

High and low pressure should affect gravity, but this is never seen.

Two identically shaped objects but with different masses should show the same weight according to denpressure, since they have the same surface area. But this isn't seen.

Denpressure would have no way to tell an objects density.

Denpressure would be a force. Objects in freefall do not feel a force.
Sound doesn't carry color. So what? I never claimed it did. Just because you can phrase a question doesn't make it meaningful.
Surface area clearly affects how things fall: parachutes. Gravity is always treated as a force. Net pressure does affect how things fall. Minor perturbations don't matter.
1. Here, what is the weight of an object at 4,000psi when it weighs 1 pound at 14.7 psi?
2. Speaking of parachutes, how would they both be pushed down by air pressure while being pushed up at the same time? If surface area affected how things fall in your model, a hollow object would weigh the same as a solid object if they had the same surface area.
3. Gravity can be treated as a force but we know it's not. Ask Einstien.
Evasion, ignorance, pointless, repsectively.

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Master_Evar

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2015, 01:19:24 AM »
You have ignored everything.
Citation needed.

I explained the problem with your analogy and how pressure worked,
Nope, you changed the analogy. And I have explained why your model can't work. Evading it won't make it go away.

you believe you're in space,
I know that I exist within the spatial dimensions, yes. You DO know what I mean by spatial dimensions, right?

and you ignore the fact I've given the math before. Are you trolling or just stalling?
But you got different answers this time, and I have already used a generalized equation to show you that the answer always is 1. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Kirk Johnson

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2015, 01:33:57 AM »
The observer effect would interfere. If you insert a gauge you will change the pressure. It's the same problem with measuring resistance in a circuit, or pressure n a tyre.

This is the stupidest answer I have seen in my entire life.


He is a really obvious troll - ignore him and he'll get bored.
It's a well documented occurence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
Just read the intro.

Double trolling. Not only trying to fool everyone into thinking we have a problem with the definition of the Observer effect - instead of his crappy use of the term - but also did it BY CITING WIKIPEDIA  ;D

Turns out he could be a good troll. Perhaps if he didn't get caught so easily?  ;D

I'm actually liking this. Since we already know he's a troll, he can't really change any minds... I think I'll keep answering his rants to see how far this can go.

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Kirk Johnson

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2015, 01:37:30 AM »
Evasion, ignorance, pointless, repsectively.

This is unique: A post that describes exactly what it is! I never saw that anywhere. Epic trolling!

"The big one" truly has potential for it. If only he didn't give himself away so soon  :(

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Jadyyn

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2015, 07:05:17 AM »
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Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).
Please explain why this is wrong...
I can't point out a flaw in something that doesn't make sense.
So it is not wrong, just you don't understand it.

When I asked you to explain your response about ripples. You did not.

When I asked you about what ripples mean to me, you say it makes no sense.

Fine then, explain your "ripples" answer.
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What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.
The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space. If you drop a stone into a pond, there are ripples: if rain falls into a lake, its motion continues.
Since your saying there is no dome (2D), we are talking about fluidic space (3D). Hence my question - ripples are on the SURFACE of a pond - yes. Are there ripples in the water as well? How are these applied to planets' motion in the sky?
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Kirk Johnson

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2015, 06:23:27 PM »
Looks like I scared the little troll out of the topic.

Damn, it was funny while it lasted...  :-[

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #169 on: November 18, 2015, 12:30:44 AM »
You have ignored everything.
Citation needed.

I explained the problem with your analogy and how pressure worked,
Nope, you changed the analogy. And I have explained why your model can't work. Evading it won't make it go away.

you believe you're in space,
I know that I exist within the spatial dimensions, yes. You DO know what I mean by spatial dimensions, right?

and you ignore the fact I've given the math before. Are you trolling or just stalling?
But you got different answers this time, and I have already used a generalized equation to show you that the answer always is 1. Ignoring it won't make it go away.

I never changed myh analogy. You changed it into something inexplicable involving no kind of closed system and outside forces. I don't think you understand any of what you're talking about.
Take a can of compressed air. take a tube of toilet roll. Are the forces acting on each the same?

I'm not talking about spatial dimensions???????

You got different answers from a highly specific case. You do not address the possibility of, for example, 8n. You did not use a generalized equation at all, you focused on one case.


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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #170 on: November 18, 2015, 12:32:48 AM »
The observer effect would interfere. If you insert a gauge you will change the pressure. It's the same problem with measuring resistance in a circuit, or pressure n a tyre.

This is the stupidest answer I have seen in my entire life.


He is a really obvious troll - ignore him and he'll get bored.
It's a well documented occurence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
Just read the intro.

Double trolling. Not only trying to fool everyone into thinking we have a problem with the definition of the Observer effect - instead of his crappy use of the term - but also did it BY CITING WIKIPEDIA  ;D

Turns out he could be a good troll. Perhaps if he didn't get caught so easily?  ;D

I'm actually liking this. Since we already know he's a troll, he can't really change any minds... I think I'll keep answering his rants to see how far this can go.
You do have a problem. You clearly said that it was not true that measuring pressure with a gauge would not affect the end result. This is clearly not true.
Why is it all you do is accuse people of being trolls, rather than discuss? You're the one with the alt here, and the one who doesn't understand fluid.

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #171 on: November 18, 2015, 12:33:38 AM »
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Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).
Please explain why this is wrong...
I can't point out a flaw in something that doesn't make sense.
So it is not wrong, just you don't understand it.

When I asked you to explain your response about ripples. You did not.

When I asked you about what ripples mean to me, you say it makes no sense.

Fine then, explain your "ripples" answer.
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What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.
The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space. If you drop a stone into a pond, there are ripples: if rain falls into a lake, its motion continues.
Since your saying there is no dome (2D), we are talking about fluidic space (3D). Hence my question - ripples are on the SURFACE of a pond - yes. Are there ripples in the water as well? How are these applied to planets' motion in the sky?

The most visible ripples are on the surface, but are you denying the existence of underwater currents?

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #172 on: November 18, 2015, 12:34:27 AM »
Looks like I scared the little troll out of the topic.

Damn, it was funny while it lasted...  :-[
What are you talking about? Unlike you, I have a life that does not revolve around this site. I have better things to do than talk with your alts, Jadyyn.

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Kirk Johnson

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #173 on: November 18, 2015, 12:56:45 AM »
You do have a problem. You clearly said that it was not true that measuring pressure with a gauge would not affect the end result. This is clearly not true.
Why is it all you do is accuse people of being trolls, rather than discuss? You're the one with the alt here, and the one who doesn't understand fluid.

"The observer effect on a physical process can often be reduced to insignificance by using better instruments or observation techniques."

From your.... "Source"  ;D

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TheBigOne

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #174 on: November 18, 2015, 01:03:14 AM »
You do have a problem. You clearly said that it was not true that measuring pressure with a gauge would not affect the end result. This is clearly not true.
Why is it all you do is accuse people of being trolls, rather than discuss? You're the one with the alt here, and the one who doesn't understand fluid.

"The observer effect on a physical process can often be reduced to insignificance by using better instruments or observation techniques."

From your.... "Source"  ;D

'often' not 'always' and until you feel like giving an example...

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #175 on: November 18, 2015, 02:01:09 AM »
I never changed myh analogy.
Your claim:
"I explained the problem with your analogy and how pressure worked,"
My response:
"Nope, you changed the analogy."

Is it REALLY so hard to read properly? YOU started talking about MY analogy, not yours. NOONE said you changed your analogy. This is some shit reading right there.

You changed it into something inexplicable involving no kind of closed system and outside forces.
When did I change your analogy? Yeah, never. Lying only hurts your credibility.

I don't think you understand any of what you're talking about.
I do understand perfectly what I am talking about. You however don't seem to understand it, since you make contradictory claims and pretend the contradiction doesn't exist.

Take a can of compressed air. take a tube of toilet roll. Are the forces acting on each the same?
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on various factors. Something you should already know.

I'm not talking about spatial dimensions???????
Yes. You are saying space is a fluid. Space has 2 definitions - The spatial dimensions or a large place that has nothing. Since a fluid is something, the second definition of space (a place where there is nothing) can't be true, because there is something if there is a fluid. Which means you have to be talking about the spatial dimensions. Unless you are making up your own definitions.

You got different answers from a highly specific case.
Ahh, so you do not know what "generalized" means. HINT: It's the opposite of specific.

You do not address the possibility of, for example, 8n.
See generalizing. Generalizing addresses every possibility within the given interval. For my generalization, it works for every real number.

You did not use a generalized equation at all, you focused on one case.
*sigh*
Your box has sides w(width)b(breadth)l(length). According to you, first I have to calculate the volume of the box to get "how many molecules are headed for each side/end" so wbl. Then, the difference in pressure between two sets of surfaces is the distance ratio. Let's say sides 1(area=bl), 2(area=wl) and 3(area=wb). 1 have distance w, 2 has b and 3 has l. Between 1 and 2 the ratio is w/b, between 2 and 3 the ratio is b/l and between 3 and 1 the ratio is l/w. Answer for 1&2 = wbl/w/b=b^2*l, answer for 2&3 = wbl/b/l=wl^2, answer for 3&1 = wbl/l/w=w^2*b. However, these are still volumes, hence they are not ratio differences or pressure. So you told me to divide by their surface areas to remove the units. For 1&2 => 1 = b^2*l/bl=b, 2 = b^2*l/wl=b^2/w. For 2&3 => 2 = wl^2/wl=l, 3 = wl^2/wb = l^2/b. For 3&1 => 3 = w^2*b/wb = w, 1 = w^2*b/bl = w^2/l. All of these are distances however. If we want to properly remove the units, we have to divide by these lengths by something. Since we have to remove all units, we have to divide these distances by themselves. Left is a 1. As you can see, we are not getting anywhere. This is all according to your math. And it is stupid, as none of this is pressure.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Jadyyn

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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #176 on: November 18, 2015, 08:50:42 AM »
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Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).
Please explain why this is wrong...
I can't point out a flaw in something that doesn't make sense.
So it is not wrong, just you don't understand it.

When I asked you to explain your response about ripples. You did not.

When I asked you about what ripples mean to me, you say it makes no sense.

Fine then, explain your "ripples" answer.
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What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.
The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space. If you drop a stone into a pond, there are ripples: if rain falls into a lake, its motion continues.
Since your saying there is no dome (2D), we are talking about fluidic space (3D). Hence my question - ripples are on the SURFACE of a pond - yes. Are there ripples in the water as well? How are these applied to planets' motion in the sky?

The most visible ripples are on the surface, but are you denying the existence of underwater currents?
So how are these underwater currents affecting planets' motions?
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Re: Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth
« Reply #177 on: November 18, 2015, 01:26:50 PM »
You do have a problem. You clearly said that it was not true that measuring pressure with a gauge would not affect the end result. This is clearly not true.
Why is it all you do is accuse people of being trolls, rather than discuss? You're the one with the alt here, and the one who doesn't understand fluid.

"The observer effect on a physical process can often be reduced to insignificance by using better instruments or observation techniques."

From your.... "Source"  ;D

'often' not 'always' and until you feel like giving an example...

Nope. You claimed the observer effect would affect the experiment. You are the one in need of back up.