Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 01:04:05 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 09, 2015, 09:46:17 PM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 09, 2015, 12:57:38 PM

I have explained how: all molecules cannot be going in all directions at all times, I have no idea where your wbl statement comes from.
I have finished my calculations. Stop stalling. I have shown that more molecules will collide with the sides, and you have the relative surface areas to observe that this causes more pressure.

wbl = 2wn, since n = wb and 2n = l. It's the same statement YOU made. Also, WHERE IS THE CALCULATION THAT SHOWS THAT MORE A DEFINED AREA AT THE SIDES WILL HAVE MORE COLLISIONS PER TIME UNIT THAN ONE AT THE ENDS? Sorry, but your calculations are NOT finished. I COULD just finish them for you, if you wanted. You might not like the answer though, because it's probably gonna be the exact same answer as earlier. And that might be why you don't want to finish your calculations. No matter how you look at it, if you can't give an answer measured in terms of pressure then you have not finished your calculations. You have shown that equally many molecules are headed towards each side and end, but no more have you shown.

Well given your calculations earlier completely ignored my model, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. You do know that changing one number just because the result makes you uncomfortable doesn't give you an accurate result, right?
I have no idea where you're getting n=wb from. Are you understanding any of this?

You said that n was the total amount of air molecules that is in contact with one end. So it's the area of one end measured in molecules. And you said that w was width, and is also measured in molecules, so I assume that b and l are also measured in molecules. And so, the area of an end is obviously wb measured in molecules, which equals to n. And can you PLEASE stop evading and just finish your calculations?

I've finished my calculations, beyond a trivial division. This site is horrifically slow right now and I have no desire to to waste ten minutes trying to load an earlier page when all you're doing is stalling. Divide by the ratio of surface areas, do you see a difference? Feel free to confirm: run through with different lengths, the calculations are simple. Are the results the same?

Also, I just realized, if denpressure and pressure works the way TheBigOne describes it, we'd get blasted off into space. If pressure increases between two surfaces with decreased distance, then the difference in distance between our feet and the ground and the distance between our head/shoulders and the nothing above us (so infinite distance, or if there is a dome, a few thousand miles) should create an extreme difference in pressure on our feet and our head/shoulders and make us fly up at great speeds. This does not happen.

There is no dome, the fluid that composes space makes up the higher border. I do not see why there would be an extreme difference in force, when we are above the ground, we are the surface onto which the force acts.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 12:58:15 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 09, 2015, 03:16:24 PM

pressure acts equally in all directions, in a cylindrical container the stresses does vary if u're considering the sides or the ends but the pressure is the same in each point of the container and it acts always perpendicularly to the surface.

Either contradicting yourself or ignoring math, which is it?
I know it acts perpendicularly, this is what my calculations rely on.

This is what i meant when i said that someone should have solid basis before trying to come up with a new theory. Pressure acting on a surface produces a force which causes a state of stress inside the material. Taking a scuba tank as example, cylindrical sides and semispherical ends, the pressure inside it it's constant but due to the different geometry the stresses inside the material have a complete different distribution, check this out.

http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/CAS/courses.d/Structures.d/IAST.Lect03.d/IAST.Lect03.pdf

If it's too engineering tell me and I'll be glad to explain.

Pressure produces stress, stress varies: force varies.
I have explained myself.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 12:59:05 AM

Quote from: Jadyyn on November 09, 2015, 06:37:10 PM

Is there denpressure in space that moves planets around?

Space is a fluid, they're governed by equations of current.

So denpressure does not apply to where the planets are (dome)? What about that ice dome thing? Are the heavenlies beyond the ice dome? are there 2+ domes? Please explain and describe.

The location of Neptune was predicted by the gravity formula. How does denpressure or fluid and equations of current predict it based on motions of Uranus? I am not clear on the applications to astronomy (motion of heavenly bodies).

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.
The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space. If you drop a stone into a pond, there are ripples: if rain falls into a lake, its motion continues.

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

Quote from: luckyfred on November 10, 2015, 02:52:48 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 12:58:15 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 09, 2015, 03:16:24 PM

pressure acts equally in all directions, in a cylindrical container the stresses does vary if u're considering the sides or the ends but the pressure is the same in each point of the container and it acts always perpendicularly to the surface.

Either contradicting yourself or ignoring math, which is it?
I know it acts perpendicularly, this is what my calculations rely on.

This is what i meant when i said that someone should have solid basis before trying to come up with a new theory. Pressure acting on a surface produces a force which causes a state of stress inside the material. Taking a scuba tank as example, cylindrical sides and semispherical ends, the pressure inside it it's constant but due to the different geometry the stresses inside the material have a complete different distribution, check this out.

http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/CAS/courses.d/Structures.d/IAST.Lect03.d/IAST.Lect03.pdf

If it's too engineering tell me and I'll be glad to explain.

Pressure produces stress, stress varies: force varies.
I have explained myself.

first u were talking about variation of pressure and then u say something about forces...
moreover stress varies eventhough the force applied it's the same, since between the force and the stress in a component u have to take into account the geometry. same force applied to a different geometry component causes a different state of stress. so u cannot say stress varies->forces vary->pressure vary.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:39:08 AM

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

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The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.
There is no dome. There is fluidic space, which we can observe, extending to the threshold of the atmosphere, so that the vibrations of the Sun's heat and waves of light reach us. The fluid is what compresses air against the Earth.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 10, 2015, 02:52:48 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 12:58:15 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 09, 2015, 03:16:24 PM

pressure acts equally in all directions, in a cylindrical container the stresses does vary if u're considering the sides or the ends but the pressure is the same in each point of the container and it acts always perpendicularly to the surface.

Either contradicting yourself or ignoring math, which is it?
I know it acts perpendicularly, this is what my calculations rely on.

This is what i meant when i said that someone should have solid basis before trying to come up with a new theory. Pressure acting on a surface produces a force which causes a state of stress inside the material. Taking a scuba tank as example, cylindrical sides and semispherical ends, the pressure inside it it's constant but due to the different geometry the stresses inside the material have a complete different distribution, check this out.

http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/CAS/courses.d/Structures.d/IAST.Lect03.d/IAST.Lect03.pdf

If it's too engineering tell me and I'll be glad to explain.

Pressure produces stress, stress varies: force varies.
I have explained myself.

first u were talking about variation of pressure and then u say something about forces...
moreover stress varies eventhough the force applied it's the same, since between the force and the stress in a component u have to take into account the geometry. same force applied to a different geometry component causes a different state of stress. so u cannot say stress varies->forces vary->pressure vary.

Pressure and force are interconnected. If stress varies, force from the perspective of what's under stress varies.

Quote from: luckyfred on November 10, 2015, 09:40:56 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 10, 2015, 02:52:48 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 12:58:15 AM

Quote from: luckyfred on November 09, 2015, 03:16:24 PM

pressure acts equally in all directions, in a cylindrical container the stresses does vary if u're considering the sides or the ends but the pressure is the same in each point of the container and it acts always perpendicularly to the surface.

Either contradicting yourself or ignoring math, which is it?
I know it acts perpendicularly, this is what my calculations rely on.

This is what i meant when i said that someone should have solid basis before trying to come up with a new theory. Pressure acting on a surface produces a force which causes a state of stress inside the material. Taking a scuba tank as example, cylindrical sides and semispherical ends, the pressure inside it it's constant but due to the different geometry the stresses inside the material have a complete different distribution, check this out.

http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/CAS/courses.d/Structures.d/IAST.Lect03.d/IAST.Lect03.pdf

If it's too engineering tell me and I'll be glad to explain.

Pressure produces stress, stress varies: force varies.
I have explained myself.

first u were talking about variation of pressure and then u say something about forces...
moreover stress varies eventhough the force applied it's the same, since between the force and the stress in a component u have to take into account the geometry. same force applied to a different geometry component causes a different state of stress. so u cannot say stress varies->forces vary->pressure vary.

Pressure and force are interconnected. If stress varies, force from the perspective of what's under stress varies.

Think our meaning of stress it's different. I mean stress as the one used in engineering, described by the continuum's mechanics theory and expressed through a second order tensor

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 10, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:39:08 AM

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

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The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.
There is no dome. There is fluidic space, which we can observe, extending to the threshold of the atmosphere, so that the vibrations of the Sun's heat and waves of light reach us. The fluid is what compresses air against the Earth.

So how will this let us find Neptune (mathematically) by watching Uranus' movement? How would it let us find Pluto based on Uranus' and Neptune's movement?

The existence of an unknown ninth planet was first proposed by Percival Lowell, who theorized that wobbles in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were caused by the gravitational pull of an unknown planetary body. Lowell calculated the approximate location of the hypothesized ninth planet and searched for more than a decade without success. However, in 1929, using the calculations of Powell and W.H. Pickering as a guide, the search for Pluto was resumed at the Lowell Observatory in Arizona. On February 18, 1930, Tombaugh discovered the tiny, distant planet by use of a new astronomic technique of photographic plates combined with a blink microscope. His finding was confirmed by several other astronomers, and on March 13, 1930–the anniversary of Lowell’s birth and of William Hershel’s discovery of Uranus–the discovery of Pluto was publicly announced.(http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pluto-discovered)

We observe wobbles in stars over years and can determine other masses rotating around them. How do we do this with denpressure (air pressure - sceptimatic; or fluidic space - BigOne)?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.

Sceppy and Sceptimatic are the same person, as well you know.  Here's sceppy/scepitmatic talking about denpressure under the dome:

We have a mixture of gases all the way around the dome and up the dome, in various forms, creating ice at the edges up until the very top which is nitrogen thick, as in, ice.
They freeze because they basically stop being agitated and simply do not move at all, or to look at it a better way, they achieve absolute zero temperature as we know it.
Outside of the dome, is a vacuum but not in the sense of anything 'sucking' because vacuums do not suck anything, they are simply devoid of any matter, or as in earth's situation, a vacuum is evacuating air molecules from a container or whatever.

blah...fucking...blah

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1641

So which "denpressure" did you have in mind that doesn't involve a dome?

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 09:41:59 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 10, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:39:08 AM

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

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The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.
There is no dome. There is fluidic space, which we can observe, extending to the threshold of the atmosphere, so that the vibrations of the Sun's heat and waves of light reach us. The fluid is what compresses air against the Earth.

So how will this let us find Neptune (mathematically) by watching Uranus' movement? How would it let us find Pluto based on Uranus' and Neptune's movement?

Quote

The existence of an unknown ninth planet was first proposed by Percival Lowell, who theorized that wobbles in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were caused by the gravitational pull of an unknown planetary body. Lowell calculated the approximate location of the hypothesized ninth planet and searched for more than a decade without success. However, in 1929, using the calculations of Powell and W.H. Pickering as a guide, the search for Pluto was resumed at the Lowell Observatory in Arizona. On February 18, 1930, Tombaugh discovered the tiny, distant planet by use of a new astronomic technique of photographic plates combined with a blink microscope. His finding was confirmed by several other astronomers, and on March 13, 1930–the anniversary of Lowell’s birth and of William Hershel’s discovery of Uranus–the discovery of Pluto was publicly announced.(http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pluto-discovered)

We observe wobbles in stars over years and can determine other masses rotating around them. How do we do this with denpressure (air pressure - sceptimatic; or fluidic space - BigOne)?

Motion through fluid, ripples. I explained this.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 09:41:59 AM

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.

Sceppy and Sceptimatic are the same person, as well you know.  Here's sceppy/scepitmatic talking about denpressure under the dome:

Quote from: sceppy

We have a mixture of gases all the way around the dome and up the dome, in various forms, creating ice at the edges up until the very top which is nitrogen thick, as in, ice.
They freeze because they basically stop being agitated and simply do not move at all, or to look at it a better way, they achieve absolute zero temperature as we know it.
Outside of the dome, is a vacuum but not in the sense of anything 'sucking' because vacuums do not suck anything, they are simply devoid of any matter, or as in earth's situation, a vacuum is evacuating air molecules from a container or whatever.

blah...fucking...blah

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1641

So which "denpressure" did you have in mind that doesn't involve a dome?

Pressure exerted by fluidic space. I explained this.

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

Quote from: Jadyyn on November 10, 2015, 11:11:07 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 09:41:59 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 10, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:39:08 AM

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

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The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.
There is no dome. There is fluidic space, which we can observe, extending to the threshold of the atmosphere, so that the vibrations of the Sun's heat and waves of light reach us. The fluid is what compresses air against the Earth.

So how will this let us find Neptune (mathematically) by watching Uranus' movement? How would it let us find Pluto based on Uranus' and Neptune's movement?

Quote

The existence of an unknown ninth planet was first proposed by Percival Lowell, who theorized that wobbles in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were caused by the gravitational pull of an unknown planetary body. Lowell calculated the approximate location of the hypothesized ninth planet and searched for more than a decade without success. However, in 1929, using the calculations of Powell and W.H. Pickering as a guide, the search for Pluto was resumed at the Lowell Observatory in Arizona. On February 18, 1930, Tombaugh discovered the tiny, distant planet by use of a new astronomic technique of photographic plates combined with a blink microscope. His finding was confirmed by several other astronomers, and on March 13, 1930–the anniversary of Lowell’s birth and of William Hershel’s discovery of Uranus–the discovery of Pluto was publicly announced.(http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pluto-discovered)

We observe wobbles in stars over years and can determine other masses rotating around them. How do we do this with denpressure (air pressure - sceptimatic; or fluidic space - BigOne)?

Motion through fluid, ripples. I explained this.

Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Motion through fluid, ripples. I explained this.

Pressure exerted by fluidic space. I explained this.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

Man, talk about trolling. This is getting actually funny!

I've finished my calculations, beyond a trivial division.

Nope. For example, you have not given a value on pressure, WHICH THE POINT OF THE CALCULATION WAS. If I want to calculate the roots for 2x^2+8x+8=0, then I can't just write that 2x^2+8x+8=0 -> x^2+4x+4=(x+2)^2 and say I'm done with it. Because I have not given the roots yet. Sure, anyone could finish it for me, but that still doesn't mean that I am done with the calculations. You have to finish your calculations, cause right now they don't prove anything.

Divide by the ratio of surface areas, do you see a difference? Feel free to confirm: run through with different lengths, the calculations are simple. Are the results the same?

All I get is the surface area for each surface again. Length^3/Length = Length^2 (w, b and l are all lengths). So I do not get a pressure. You are horrible at math if you think that volume/length gives a pressure.

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 10, 2015, 01:45:36 AM

Also, I just realized, if denpressure and pressure works the way TheBigOne describes it, we'd get blasted off into space. If pressure increases between two surfaces with decreased distance, then the difference in distance between our feet and the ground and the distance between our head/shoulders and the nothing above us (so infinite distance, or if there is a dome, a few thousand miles) should create an extreme difference in pressure on our feet and our head/shoulders and make us fly up at great speeds. This does not happen.

There is no dome, the fluid that composes space makes up the higher border. I do not see why there would be an extreme difference in force, when we are above the ground, we are the surface onto which the force acts.

You state that with half the distance, you get double the force. In ANY CASE, the pressure under our feet would be greater than the pressure above us (distance under our feet is shorter than distance above us) so we'd fell up, not down. Your model just doesn't work. It contradicts itself completely.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:38:00 PM

Quote from: Jadyyn on November 10, 2015, 11:11:07 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 09:41:59 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 10, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:39:08 AM

What dome are you talking about? I have never mentioned a dome, much less one of ice.

Your thread is called "Denpressure is the best explanation for what keeps us on the Earth".  Denpressure is scepti's "model" and at it's heart is a giant ice dome.  Without the ice dome you don't have denpressure.  Maybe you should have a cursory look at the model you are championing 

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The gravity formula functions as a means of measuring ripples. You claim these ripples are in space, I take the logical step of saying they are in fluidic space.

This doesn't really mean anything.

So, given you are now not doing Denpressure, what stops the atmosphere from flying off into space?

I learnt of the denpressure theory from a concave Earther, I've had little experience with Sceptimatic.
There is no dome. There is fluidic space, which we can observe, extending to the threshold of the atmosphere, so that the vibrations of the Sun's heat and waves of light reach us. The fluid is what compresses air against the Earth.

So how will this let us find Neptune (mathematically) by watching Uranus' movement? How would it let us find Pluto based on Uranus' and Neptune's movement?

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The existence of an unknown ninth planet was first proposed by Percival Lowell, who theorized that wobbles in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were caused by the gravitational pull of an unknown planetary body. Lowell calculated the approximate location of the hypothesized ninth planet and searched for more than a decade without success. However, in 1929, using the calculations of Powell and W.H. Pickering as a guide, the search for Pluto was resumed at the Lowell Observatory in Arizona. On February 18, 1930, Tombaugh discovered the tiny, distant planet by use of a new astronomic technique of photographic plates combined with a blink microscope. His finding was confirmed by several other astronomers, and on March 13, 1930–the anniversary of Lowell’s birth and of William Hershel’s discovery of Uranus–the discovery of Pluto was publicly announced.(http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pluto-discovered)

We observe wobbles in stars over years and can determine other masses rotating around them. How do we do this with denpressure (air pressure - sceptimatic; or fluidic space - BigOne)?

Motion through fluid, ripples. I explained this.

Yes, ON fluids there are ripples/waves (like stones dropped in a pond). Tides ebb - come and go. These are very similar to sine waves/sinc waves. IN fluids are there ripples/waves (i.e. under water)? I didn't think so because seismic S waves do not travel through liquids. Neptune and Pluto did not move in ripples/waves. They did not pull Uranus and Neptune in ripples/waves. There was a constant pull that behaved according to gravitational formulas based on distance (squared).

You're wrong.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Why should the change be linear? I explained this. 

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:38:00 PM

Motion through fluid, ripples. I explained this.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:04 PM

Pressure exerted by fluidic space. I explained this.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:47 PM

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

Man, talk about trolling. This is getting actually funny!

Seriously, can someone ban this noob? Every time I see him, he seems to think smugness works in place of a point.

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 05:09:22 PM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Why should the change be linear? I explained this.

Troll 

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:31:43 AM

I've finished my calculations, beyond a trivial division.

Nope. For example, you have not given a value on pressure, WHICH THE POINT OF THE CALCULATION WAS. If I want to calculate the roots for 2x^2+8x+8=0, then I can't just write that 2x^2+8x+8=0 -> x^2+4x+4=(x+2)^2 and say I'm done with it. Because I have not given the roots yet. Sure, anyone could finish it for me, but that still doesn't mean that I am done with the calculations. You have to finish your calculations, cause right now they don't prove anything.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:31:43 AM

Divide by the ratio of surface areas, do you see a difference? Feel free to confirm: run through with different lengths, the calculations are simple. Are the results the same?

All I get is the surface area for each surface again. Length^3/Length = Length^2 (w, b and l are all lengths). So I do not get a pressure. You are horrible at math if you think that volume/length gives a pressure.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 08:33:47 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on November 10, 2015, 01:45:36 AM

Also, I just realized, if denpressure and pressure works the way TheBigOne describes it, we'd get blasted off into space. If pressure increases between two surfaces with decreased distance, then the difference in distance between our feet and the ground and the distance between our head/shoulders and the nothing above us (so infinite distance, or if there is a dome, a few thousand miles) should create an extreme difference in pressure on our feet and our head/shoulders and make us fly up at great speeds. This does not happen.

There is no dome, the fluid that composes space makes up the higher border. I do not see why there would be an extreme difference in force, when we are above the ground, we are the surface onto which the force acts.

You state that with half the distance, you get double the force. In ANY CASE, the pressure under our feet would be greater than the pressure above us (distance under our feet is shorter than distance above us) so we'd fell up, not down. Your model just doesn't work. It contradicts itself completely.

So, stalling, inexplicably thinking I was saying volume/length when I was referring to a ratio (dimensionless: the number of collisions at one side divide by the relative size of that side, to get a uniform judge. We could observe, for example, 6n/2 and find 3n vs n), and I have never stated half the distance gives double the force, unless you're referring to a simplification of an experiment which is relevant only with two barries.
Stop stalling.

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Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Why should the change be linear? I explained this.

Troll 

Stop talking to yourself.

So, stalling, inexplicably thinking I was saying volume/length when I was referring to a ratio (dimensionless: the number of collisions at one side divide by the relative size of that side, to get a uniform judge.

Which you measured in volume. And collisions over what time span? The collisions will only keep coming, so we need to divide it into time-spans.

We could observe, for example, 6n/2 and find 3n vs n), and I have never stated half the distance gives double the force, unless you're referring to a simplification of an experiment which is relevant only with two barries.
Stop stalling.

You implied that in our box, where the distance between the sides are half that of the ends, the pressure will be doubled at the sides. And still, you imply shorter distances = grater pressure, so we'd fall up when we are close to the ground. This does not happen, so denpressure like you explain it is false.

@TheBigOne, you really aren't even trying now.

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 05:09:22 PM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Why should the change be linear? I explained this.

weight force is.... well a force, if it's caused by pressure the force should be linear with the pressure sincrìe F=Ap, where A is the surface area of the object, since the only variable is pressure, changing pressure the force should vary accordingly... doule pressure=double force, half pressure=half force

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 05:09:22 PM

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 10, 2015, 02:39:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on November 10, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Placing a scale in a near vacuum will show whether denpressure is real or not and I just so happen to have done that.

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No denpressure to be found.

Humans cannot successfully construct good vacuums. I explained this.

It's still less than half the pressure as atmosphere, why isn't there half the gravity?

Why should the change be linear? I explained this.

By the mechanism for how it would work. If there is less air pushing down then there would be less force. Why would depressure be immune to physics? 

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 11, 2015, 01:21:50 AM

So, stalling, inexplicably thinking I was saying volume/length when I was referring to a ratio (dimensionless: the number of collisions at one side divide by the relative size of that side, to get a uniform judge.

Which you measured in volume. And collisions over what time span? The collisions will only keep coming, so we need to divide it into time-spans.

Quote from: TheBigOne on November 11, 2015, 01:21:50 AM

We could observe, for example, 6n/2 and find 3n vs n), and I have never stated half the distance gives double the force, unless you're referring to a simplification of an experiment which is relevant only with two barries.
Stop stalling.

You implied that in our box, where the distance between the sides are half that of the ends, the pressure will be doubled at the sides. And still, you imply shorter distances = grater pressure, so we'd fall up when we are close to the ground. This does not happen, so denpressure like you explain it is false.

Ratios don't have a dimension, and I never claimed we would fall up when close to the ground. I don't know where you're getting any of this from.