Serious question?

With all the photographs...
With all the videos...
With all the countries collaborating together in the International Space Station...
With all the astronauts coming back and telling the same stories...
With all the private companies sending satellites into orbit spending their own millions of dollars...

All this is orchestrated?
All this is a big lie to prevent people from knowing the earth is flat?

Why?

If the earth is truly flat, then this is the greatest, this is the best orchestrated hoax ever.  I have never in my life ever heard or read so many people who can keep a secret as well as this.

What benefit is there to saying the earth is round if it isn't?

I find it real hard to believe it is pure financial.

Apparently they are Satanists. 

At one time, everyone believed that blood letting would balance the humors and cure illness.  Just because the majority believes something, that does not make it true.  Think about that. 

So you agree science has advanced over the years?

At one time, everyone believed that blood letting would balance the humors and cure illness.  Just because the majority believes something, that does not make it true.  Think about that.

I can appreciate that; however, that was before we had the proper technology.  Relatively little was known of the human anatomy when they were performing those rituals.  We just didn't have the technology back then to make informed decisions in regards to curing illnesses.  Once we had the technology to view what our body was made of on a microscopic level, things changed.

When AIDS first came out, we were doing the same thing with AIDS.  We were just throwing all kinds of "cures" at it.  At first, most either didn't work or had very little effect.  Everybody who had AIDS wanted to believe it because they had vested interest in it.  After proper research, we can now control AIDS.  I see the "blood letting" as the same thing.  People wanted to believe it because they had vested interest in it.

I consider myself well educated.  I have two degrees.  Taking all "NASA" and government evidence out of the picture, I myself can tell that the earth is round based on my own calculations.

One of my research papers in college was on the moon.  That research paper included calculations that indirectly proved the earth was round.

So you agree science has advanced over the years?

Do you agree that the majority of people, including scientists, can and have been wrong in the past?  Does this not show why this is a logical fallacy? 

Quote from: jroa on November 03, 2015, 05:58:41 AM

At one time, everyone believed that blood letting would balance the humors and cure illness.  Just because the majority believes something, that does not make it true.  Think about that.

I can appreciate that; however, that was before we had the proper technology.  Relatively little was known of the human anatomy when they were performing those rituals.  We just didn't have the technology back then to make informed decisions in regards to curing illnesses.  Once we had the technology to view what our body was made of on a microscopic level, things changed.

When AIDS first came out, we were doing the same thing with AIDS.  We were just throwing all kinds of "cures" at it.  At first, most either didn't work or had very little effect.  Everybody who had AIDS wanted to believe it because they had vested interest in it.  After proper research, we can now control AIDS.  I see the "blood letting" as the same thing.  People wanted to believe it because they had vested interest in it.

I consider myself well educated.  I have two degrees.  Taking all "NASA" and government evidence out of the picture, I myself can tell that the earth is round based on my own calculations.

One of my research papers in college was on the moon.  That research paper included calculations that indirectly proved the earth was round.

In 100 years, I predict that most of what we as a whole think are absolute facts will be proven wrong.  If you would like to debate some of your "proofs" of the Earth's shape based on observations of the moon, then I would be happy to join you in the debate section.  The only thing I ask is that you offer one piece at a time for us to discuss instead of laying it all out in one thread where people have to pick and choose which part they want to discuss with you.  This makes for a much better discussion than someone saying, "Here are twenty things that prove you are wrong.  Please, discuss."

Of course any scientific theory might be replaced by another one, if the weight of evidence leans towards the new theory ... absolute proof exists only for mathematical and logical problems.

But the flat earth society is not presenting a new scientific theory ... it simply alleges a world wide conspiracy.

There is an edge to this world, but the military prevents everybody from visiting Antartica to see it ... there is no space-flight because NASA is faking it all ... there is no flat-earth map because cartographers, geologists, airplane pilots and ships navigators are all hiding the truth from us ... people on the southern hemisphere can't be trusted because they claim to see different constellations in the sky ...

I don't have to argue the many half-baked, made-up explanations or struggle with people defending their "theory" with the bible to know this is wrong and will still be wrong in 100 or 1000 years.

The military does not prevent you from visiting Antarctica.  You or I can go there anytime (not literally, lol) we want to.  But we would have to apply for permission  from the world government, and hopefully get permission first.  You don't think you can just fly a plane or sail a ship there and just run around the continent doing what ever you want, do you? 

JROA...

Do FE people believe that the equator (the imaginary line that is at 0 degrees latitude) is approximately 24,000 miles in length?

What you call the equator is what we simply believe is the part of the Earth directly under the sun during the equinoxes.  Sure, why not, let's say it is around 24,000 miles in circumference.  Your point is...?

Okay... we have a primer... something that both the FE and RE people can agree on... That the equator distance is a certain length (we will say approximately 24,000 miles).

According to the globe model: the latitude distances above AND below the equator gets shorter.

According to the flat earth model: the latitude distances above the equator gets shorter (smaller circles) BUT the latitude distances below the equator gets longer (bigger circles).

Does that sound logical?

Okay... we have a primer... something that both the FE and RE people can agree on... That the equator distance is a certain length (we will say approximately 24,000 miles).

According to the globe model: the latitude distances above AND below the equator gets shorter.

According to the flat earth model: the latitude distances above the equator gets shorter (smaller circles) BUT the latitude distances below the equator gets longer (bigger circles).

Does that sound logical?

Sure, why not.  I have had almost six beers (I just got off of work, don't judge me) so I am feeling very open minded.  Please, tell me how this proves me wrong.  I am all ears. 

Not here to judge anybody.  I have too much wrong in my life to start pointing fingers.

Does it ultimately really matter who is right or wrong?  We all have about 100 years on this planet.  1 second after we take our last breath... does it really matter?

I will drink one more for that.  Cheers.  But, I still don't see how you are proving the shape of the Earth one way or the other. 

Okay... we have a primer... something that both the FE and RE people can agree on... That the equator distance is a certain length (we will say approximately 24,000 miles).

According to the globe model: the latitude distances above AND below the equator gets shorter.

According to the flat earth model: the latitude distances above the equator gets shorter (smaller circles) BUT the latitude distances below the equator gets longer (bigger circles).

Does that sound logical?

The FE's claim that there is no FE Map. But the one that they do represent as the "flat earth model".....Have you ever considered that "the flat earth model" - the "Unipolar"one with the North Pole at the center and the "Ice Ring"around the rim - is simply a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe and that is the reason for the distortion south of the equator ?

And on another subject.How about the distance from the earth to the moon ? Are all of the "Round Earth"measurements such as parallax, radio waves and radar and laser measurements of the distance all wrong and the "Flat Earth" measurements are the only correct measurements ?

Quote from: pesadilla143 on November 03, 2015, 07:22:42 AM

Okay... we have a primer... something that both the FE and RE people can agree on... That the equator distance is a certain length (we will say approximately 24,000 miles).

According to the globe model: the latitude distances above AND below the equator gets shorter.

According to the flat earth model: the latitude distances above the equator gets shorter (smaller circles) BUT the latitude distances below the equator gets longer (bigger circles).

Does that sound logical?

The FE's claim that there is no FE Map. But the one that they do represent as the "flat earth model".....Have you ever considered that "the flat earth model" - the "Unipolar"one with the North Pole at the center and the "Ice Ring"around the rim - is simply a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe and that is the reason for the distortion south of the equator ?

And on another subject.How about the distance from the earth to the moon ? Are all of the "Round Earth"measurements such as parallax, radio waves and radar and laser measurements of the distance all wrong and the "Flat Earth" measurements are the only correct measurements ?

We have never heard of this material of yours, googlegeekoid.  Maybe I just missed it the other 700 times you made the same post?  Please, enlighten us.  Your stand up is not very funny, but your fails are entertaining. 

Quote from: Googleotomy on November 03, 2015, 11:16:14 AM

Quote from: pesadilla143 on November 03, 2015, 07:22:42 AM

Okay... we have a primer... something that both the FE and RE people can agree on... That the equator distance is a certain length (we will say approximately 24,000 miles).

According to the globe model: the latitude distances above AND below the equator gets shorter.

According to the flat earth model: the latitude distances above the equator gets shorter (smaller circles) BUT the latitude distances below the equator gets longer (bigger circles).

Does that sound logical?

The FE's claim that there is no FE Map. But the one that they do represent as the "flat earth model".....Have you ever considered that "the flat earth model" - the "Unipolar"one with the North Pole at the center and the "Ice Ring"around the rim - is simply a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe and that is the reason for the distortion south of the equator ?

And on another subject.How about the distance from the earth to the moon ? Are all of the "Round Earth"measurements such as parallax, radio waves and radar and laser measurements of the distance all wrong and the "Flat Earth" measurements are the only correct measurements ?

We have never heard of this material of yours, googlegeekoid.  Maybe I just missed it the other 700 times you made the same post?  Please, enlighten us.  Your stand up is not very funny, but your fails are entertaining.

Really there is no question at all that the earth is a globe - If you want to get technical about it "An Oblate Spheroid" - and not some flat disc with an ice ring guarded by who knows who. But what makes this website  interesting is the stuff that you read from the flat earthers.

As far as the so-called "flat earth model" all you have to do is to search on "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" and compare it with the so-called "flat earth model."
http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=azimuthal+equidistant+projection&v_t=keyword_rollover&b=image%3Fq%3Dazimuthal%2520equidistant%2520projection%26s_it%3Dkeyword_rollover%26ie%3DUTF-8%26VR%3D3430%26oreq%3D7fbd327fb3ac48f8a722e1d7ebe08ed8&img=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fec%2FAzimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW.jpg&host=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAzimuthal_equidistant_projection&width=85&height=85&thumbUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSeUR5OPGtbTmhiRv0y5WxI9KaATmt0CswfK-Jxdf5VR1_gGCrwKIcuGrw&imgWidth=2058&imgHeight=2058&imgSize=997975&imgTitle=azimuthal+equidistant+projection

And as far as the distance from the earth to the moon is concerned, we have been on that old chestnut time and time again. OK, jroa ?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=58190.msg1554902#msg1554902
Or you could contact any astronomical observatory.

Does that sound logical ?

What do you care? 

What benefit is there to saying the earth is round if it isn't?

To create a separate caste system among men. 
It is not purely financial. 

If you genuinely do not understand the benefits of disinformation, then you are clearly NOT in the club. 

With all the photographs...
With all the videos...
With all the countries collaborating together in the International Space Station...
With all the astronauts coming back and telling the same stories...
With all the private companies sending satellites into orbit spending their own millions of dollars...

All this is orchestrated?
All this is a big lie to prevent people from knowing the earth is flat?

Why?

If the earth is truly flat, then this is the greatest, this is the best orchestrated hoax ever.  I have never in my life ever heard or read so many people who can keep a secret as well as this.

What benefit is there to saying the earth is round if it isn't?

I find it real hard to believe it is pure financial.

It's actually quite simple. Don't make up your mind yet. What's the rush, after all?

Ask yourself: do I have enough information to be sure of the shape of the "earth?"

If not, then be an earth shape agnostic. Let me know how you get on.

With all the photographs...
With all the videos...
With all the countries collaborating together in the International Space Station...
With all the astronauts coming back and telling the same stories...
With all the private companies sending satellites into orbit spending their own millions of dollars...

All this is orchestrated?
All this is a big lie to prevent people from knowing the earth is flat?

Why?

If the earth is truly flat, then this is the greatest, this is the best orchestrated hoax ever.  I have never in my life ever heard or read so many people who can keep a secret as well as this.

What benefit is there to saying the earth is round if it isn't?

I find it real hard to believe it is pure financial.

Do you really find it that inconceivable that people in power would be willing to deceive the masses for profit?
Not very many people (at all) have been in what is considered to be "space".
NASA alone has a fairly massive budget even when considering the fact that they must pay off many of their workers.

As a rhetoric:

Would you be willing to lie to (insert any number here) people you didn't know if it would mean that you get to take home a respectable salary every year for doing practically nothing?

To insinuate that people in power are somehow morally above lying to us plebs is ignorant, albeit a blissful ignorance.
Are you aware of a thing called history?

Money makes the world go 'round.

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

Indeed. What you're not recognizing is the fact that not all of these people would need to have any idea that it's all a lie. Money is a powerful thing. Also, would you care to explain why pilots and sailors would need to be "in on it"?

Quote from: Soulblood on November 05, 2015, 02:39:28 AM

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

Indeed. What you're not recognizing is the fact that not all of these people would need to have any idea that it's all a lie. Money is a powerful thing. Also, would you care to explain why pilots and sailors would need to be "in on it"?

Navigation is based in a round earth and fits with travel times.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on November 05, 2015, 09:13:09 AM

Quote from: Soulblood on November 05, 2015, 02:39:28 AM

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

Indeed. What you're not recognizing is the fact that not all of these people would need to have any idea that it's all a lie. Money is a powerful thing. Also, would you care to explain why pilots and sailors would need to be "in on it"?

Navigation is based in a round earth and fits with travel times.

Sure, but the belief that travel times don't mesh up with the model is based on the false premise that there exists an accurate flat earth map.

Quote from: inquisitive on November 05, 2015, 09:34:54 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on November 05, 2015, 09:13:09 AM

Quote from: Soulblood on November 05, 2015, 02:39:28 AM

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

Indeed. What you're not recognizing is the fact that not all of these people would need to have any idea that it's all a lie. Money is a powerful thing. Also, would you care to explain why pilots and sailors would need to be "in on it"?

Navigation is based in a round earth and fits with travel times.

Sure, but the belief that travel times don't mesh up with the model is based on the false premise that there exists an accurate flat earth map.

On the basis that travel times and distances only fit on a round earth which is clearly the case.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on November 05, 2015, 09:47:54 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 05, 2015, 09:34:54 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on November 05, 2015, 09:13:09 AM

Quote from: Soulblood on November 05, 2015, 02:39:28 AM

How many people do you think would need to be quiet about a flat earth conspiracy? You do realize it's more than a few astronauts?

NASA has about 20.000 employees plus 100.000 people working for private contractors, there are other space agencies in the world of course, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, ...

You would need to also silence many scientists, cartographers, airplane pilots, ships crews, at least parts of the military, engineers in fields using satellite information like television, communication and GPS ...

The NSA employs around 40.000 people and produced an Edward Snowden not too long ago ...

How save would the FE conspiracy secret be?

Not even mentioning that we knew about round earth long before NASA existed ...

Indeed. What you're not recognizing is the fact that not all of these people would need to have any idea that it's all a lie. Money is a powerful thing. Also, would you care to explain why pilots and sailors would need to be "in on it"?

Navigation is based in a round earth and fits with travel times.

Sure, but the belief that travel times don't mesh up with the model is based on the false premise that there exists an accurate flat earth map.

On the basis that travel times and distances only fit on a round earth which is clearly the case.

My question is how you're able to say that with such certainty without a flat earth map.

Oh yes, the magic flat earth map that somehow covers everything that we simple folk need spherical geometry for to handle ... and I would be fine with a very rough map, not cartography level, just a few blobs that show where the continents are ... and conforms to know distances between a few locations.

Anyway, planes and ships navigate according to round earth maps and spherical geometry ... if they actually find their target on a flat earth from that, somebody must correct those huge deviations.

Oh yes, the magic flat earth map that somehow covers everything that we simple folk need spherical geometry for to handle ... and I would be fine with a very rough map, not cartography level, just a few blobs that show where the continents are ... and conforms to know distances between a few locations.

Anyway, planes and ships navigate according to round earth maps and spherical geometry ... if they actually find their target on a flat earth from that, somebody must correct those huge deviations.

FlatOrange made one once. He's one of the only cartographers among us, and he's a roundie, so much good that does. I'm sure if you asked him he could retrieve it.