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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2006, 02:54:28 PM »
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I gave you evidence, and, technically, you did not refute it; you gave vague responses to offset my interest in arguing more.

You gave us a few statements:
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I work for NASA.

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And weather satellites.

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People who have been on SpaceShipOne and are in no way connected to the government or NASA

None of these are 'evidence'.

I responded to your statements like such:
1.  Yea, right.
2.  Ground based doppler and other airborne stations.
3.  Only two people have taken SSO to the Kármán line. Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

If you did provide evidence somewhere in this topic, please repost it - I can't find it.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2006, 04:05:47 PM »
The flat earth believers are the ones that should have too provide evidence. They are the ones that believe in an unaccepted theory and are in the minority.

Btw, that CCCC is a load of crap, it still lacks the evidence to prove that there is a conspiracy. And there would be multiple people that know where the funds are going so it is going to be more than a few.
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2006, 01:07:54 PM »
To The Engineer: the fact that I did not specifically ask for evidence means little.  But because you insist, now I will specifically ask for evidence.  Show me evidence.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2006, 01:10:48 PM »
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I gave you evidence

You specifically said you gave me evidence.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2006, 01:11:47 PM »
In fact, not only do I ask for evidence, I will give you a statement which you may or may not refute: The ancient Greeks believed that the Earth was round, and they had an entirely democratic government, and their leaders had little power over the people.  In fact, the most brilliant scientists during that time were from Greece.
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2006, 01:51:21 PM »
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In fact, not only do I ask for evidence, I will give you a statement which you may or may not refute: The ancient Greeks believed that the Earth was round, and they had an entirely democratic government, and their leaders had little power over the people.  In fact, the most brilliant scientists during that time were from Greece.

First, the refutation:
"Ancient Greece" was not a country, but rather a collection of city-states, the most powerful of which were Athens, Sparta, Corinth, and Thebes. Athens was a democracy, but the rest were not. Even Athens was only somewhat of a democracy - in order to vote, you had to be an adult male citizen (not a slave or immigrant, or even a descendant of immigrants), and could have your right to vote revoked for many possible reasons, including the fact that your father had his right to vote revoked. I'm not sure how much of your population you can disenfranchise before you lose the appelation "democracy", but wikipedia estimates that only about 10% of the population could vote in the 6th century BCE, and while it rose somewhat during the 5th century, it shrank even further during the 4th century BCE.

It is, of course, true that they believed the earth was round, but also irrelevent. People in antiquity have believed that the earth is flat, that miniscule amounts of poison diluted in copious amounts of water functions as an excellent cure-all, that it is healthy to drink your own urine, and that you could foretell the future by looking at bird entrails while under the influence of hallucinogens. The ancient greeks themselves thought that lightning was caused by the anger of Zeus. If you want to use "people 2500 years ago said so" as evidence, you can prove anything.
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2006, 02:18:19 PM »
Yeah, see, you didn't really refute anything.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2006, 02:21:40 PM »
First of all, I never said ancient Greece to be a country.

Second of all, Athenian democracy was entirely for the people.  Yes, males, but for and by the males.

Yes, they believed in lightening being caused by Zeus, but nowadays there are people who actually believe in a flat earth! Can you believe it?

Lastly, the scientists of that time believed in a round earth.  So what if they believed in Zeus and all those pagan gods causing miracles? Right-wing conservatives believe in  God creating the world and all the creatures in six days.
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2006, 09:17:31 PM »
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First of all, I never said ancient Greece to be a country.

You said they had "a government", not different governments for each individual city-state. And even you meant governments, they weren't all Democratic - only Athens' was.

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Second of all, Athenian democracy was entirely for the people.  Yes, males, but for and by the males.

If by "the males" you mean "the males who happened to qualify as citizens and not slaves or 'foreigners' (many of whom were from families which had lived in Athens for generations) or other non-qualifying males" then yes. But my question remains valid - how much of your population can you disenfranchise and remain a democracy?

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Yes, they believed in lightening being caused by Zeus, but nowadays there are people who actually believe in a flat earth! Can you believe it?

People will believe almost anything...

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Lastly, the scientists of that time believed in a round earth. So what if they believed in Zeus and all those pagan gods causing miracles? Right-wing conservatives believe in God creating the world and all the creatures in six days.

They did believe in a round earth, true. However, this is not evidence that the earth is round, any more than their other beliefs are evidence that Zeus's anger causes lightning.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2006, 10:37:34 PM »
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The flat earth believers are the ones that should have too provide evidence. They are the ones that believe in an unaccepted theory and are in the minority.

Btw, that CCCC is a load of crap, it still lacks the evidence to prove that there is a conspiracy. And there would be multiple people that know where the funds are going so it is going to be more than a few.

The CCCC isn't supposed to prove the existance of a government. If you'd note, numerous times I mentioned what would be PLAUSIBLE for a conspiracy of the likeness in the Flat Earth Theory. It's there to demonstrate possibilities, not existance.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2006, 10:39:10 AM »
First off, by working with NASA, I have achieved a level of common sense and scientific knowledge that enables me to comprehend many simple facts of this vast universe.  The bottom line is that the Earth is round and, honestly, I have no idea or the faintest clue as to why you guys believe that the Earth is flat.  The concept of world governments consipring to block the truth from the people is not only ridiculous, but utterly retarded.  NASA, as I have explained, wants only to engage in peaceful scientific endeavors.  Governments have other things to worry about, such as the national economy and giving tax cuts (AHEM! Mr. Bush) At the current time, people are needlessly dying in the Middle East; why would governments be concerned with hiding the truth from the people (Not that I'm saying that that's the case). Now please, will someone on this forum that believes in the FE theory, give me SOME EVIDENCE! PLEASE! I SEE NONE!

 :wink: thanx.  Stay cool.
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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2006, 12:51:44 PM »
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First off, by working with NASA, I have achieved a level of common sense and scientific knowledge that enables me to comprehend many simple facts of this vast universe.  The bottom line is that the Earth is round and, honestly, I have no idea or the faintest clue as to why you guys believe that the Earth is flat.

I do?
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The concept of world governments consipring to block the truth from the people is not only ridiculous, but utterly retarded.  NASA, as I have explained, wants only to engage in peaceful scientific endeavors.  Governments have other things to worry about, such as the national economy and giving tax cuts (AHEM! Mr. Bush) At the current time, people are needlessly dying in the Middle East; why would governments be concerned with hiding the truth from the people (Not that I'm saying that that's the case).

If you read the CCCC, you would see that the motives ARE plausible. No evidence yet, but then again, we're not SUPPOSED To have evidence for the existence of the conspiracy. Still, you can't deny the possibility of a conspiracy.

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Now please, will someone on this forum that believes in the FE theory, give me SOME EVIDENCE! PLEASE! I SEE NONE!

 :wink: thanx.  Stay cool.


How the hell did this turn around from "I work at NASA, you guys are wrong," to "Give me evidence about anything ever?!"

In any case, there is plenty of evidence as supplied in other threads. If you are too lazy to search through the forum, then it's your loss if you still think the Earth is round.

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2006, 01:05:40 PM »
Ok.  Well, you still didn't respond to any of my comments in a clear way.  The I do? makes absolutely no sense, and the "you're just too lazy to search the forum" just doesn't work.  Until you show me evidence, you're argument holds little ground.  Lastly, until you find evidence for a conspiracy, there IS NO CONSPIRACY! What the hell? Who came up with that idea in the first place of a global conspiracy?  You're reasoning is basically this: "We believe in a flat Earth because it looks like that up close, duh.  We're going to ignore scientific facts, make up vague and completely groundless theories to explain all of the holes in the FE concept, and then not give evidence as to why we believe in the flat Earth."

You're use of reverse logic astounds me.  As I explained, some mindless nitwit probably came up with the FE theory, and then you say, "Well, there are photos of a round Earth so we'll say they're fake.  There is ample evidence which we will deny in a vague way.  And, because the governments and NASA are saying that the Earth is round, they must be lying because we believe otherwise."
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2006, 01:07:22 PM »
BTW, I read the CCCC and it's a hunk of crap.
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2006, 01:19:42 PM »
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Lastly, until you find evidence for a conspiracy, there IS NO CONSPIRACY!

So by that reasoning I can say (get ready for it!):

Until you can find a graviton, there IS NO GRAVITY!
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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2006, 01:22:59 PM »
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Until you can find a graviton, there IS NO GRAVITY!

Because the observable phenomena of planets orbiting the sun and apples falling to earth isn't evidence?
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2006, 01:37:10 PM »
A so-called "conspiracy" with no evidence backing it up made up by a couple of people in need of mental help is a tad different from a theory that has been pretty much proven by many scientists over the last couple of centuries.
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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2006, 01:45:14 PM »
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Because the observable phenomena of planets orbiting the sun and apples falling to earth isn't evidence?

Evidence of what?  Acceleration? Yes. :wink:
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« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2006, 01:46:46 PM »
Please explain Earth's acceleration.
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« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2006, 01:50:45 PM »
A force commonly referred to as Dark Energy accelerates the earth at a constant 9.81m/s^2 along a vector normal to the plane surface of the earth.  This acceleration produces the 'force' we feel as 'gravity'.
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« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2006, 02:01:43 PM »
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Because the observable phenomena of planets orbiting the sun and apples falling to earth isn't evidence?

Evidence of what?  Acceleration? Yes. :wink:

Yes. Evidence of acceleration of bodies which closely conforms to the law a=GM/r^2, which is evidence that massive bodies cause each other to accelerate proportionately to their mass and inversely proportionately to the square of the distance between them. (Of course there are slight corrections due to general relativity, but this is approximately accurate.) We may or may not know what causes this, but we call it gravity, and it has effects which are different from living in an accelerating reference frame (locally they are the same, but comparing the effects on points far apart makes them distinguishable.)
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« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2006, 04:17:39 PM »
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A force commonly referred to as Dark Energy accelerates the earth at a constant 9.81m/s^2 along a vector normal to the plane surface of the earth.  This acceleration produces the 'force' we feel as 'gravity'.

Can you provide any evidence to support the existence of Dark Energy? The Hubble Telescope recently proved its existence, but of course that doesn't count, as it is a satellite controlled by NASA.
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« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2006, 04:24:07 PM »
The earth is accelerating.
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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2006, 04:38:30 PM »
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The earth is accelerating.

Does that suggest that it is Dark Energy making it accelerate?
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« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2006, 04:45:07 PM »
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Does that suggest that it is Dark Energy making it accelerate?


No but it suggests that something is making it accelerate. "Dark energy" is what we call that "something".
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« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2006, 04:49:27 PM »
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No but it suggests that something is making it accelerate. "Dark energy" is what we call that "something".

Who says it needs something to make it accelerate?
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« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2006, 05:05:11 PM »
Because things don't accelerate without force being applied to them.
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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2006, 07:20:14 PM »
How about the force? Or magic? Of course these are both forces as well, but they are much cooler forces.
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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2006, 08:11:49 PM »
Magic is a force?  :?
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« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2006, 10:04:57 PM »
Round Earth or flat Earth, NASA would still explore Earth and the space around it, and would release us the truth.  Actually, that's what they have been doing since it was conceived.
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