En_Aristeuein

Hey.  I have a couple of questions/comments for the Flat-Earth believers.

1).   I work for NASA.  And...well...I'm sorry, but there simply is no conspiracy.

2).   I read the FAQ, and you have clearly done a through job.  But I do have one question: You claim that man has never stepped on the moon, or even visited space, and all the satellites and probes are fake.  How then would NASA have obtained preliminary photos of the Earth to forge later with their computer software? They must have launched something, be it a probe or satellite, whatever.  Also, NASA would like to explore space, flat Earth or round Earth.  So why would NASA be in on this alleged conspiracy? [/i]

1).   I work for NASA.  And...well...I'm sorry, but there simply is no conspiracy.

Yeah, sure. Even if you're telling the truth about this, a) why should we believe you and b) you could be some low-level flunky who's as much deceived by the conspiracy as the rest of us.

2).   I read the FAQ, and you have clearly done a through job.

Wow, someone actually read the FAQ before posting. Kudos.

But I do have one question: You claim that man has never stepped on the moon, or even visited space, and all the satellites and probes are fake.  How then would NASA have obtained preliminary photos of the Earth to forge later with their computer software? They must have launched something, be it a probe or satellite, whatever.  Also, NASA would like to explore space, flat Earth or round Earth.  So why would NASA be in on this alleged conspiracy? [/i]

Why would they need preliminary photos to take to create fakes from? They could have simply used digital imagery or even painted canvases to create the photos and videos without having any photos as a starting point.

1).   Actually, I have a high enough position to know about a conspiracy, but thanks for the kind remarks.

2).   Okay, maybe they could do it without a preliminary photo.  But you still did not answer my other question.

3).  What about weather satellites?

How do we know you're not lying when you say you work for NASA? Anyone can come and in here and say that. Why should we believe you?

1) i highly doubt you do. the manner in which you responded suggested you are younger than would be necessary for such a job, and the idea of such high-ranking NASA personel spending their time on here is just proposterous.

you have no proof to back up who you say you are. I could say i was Saddam Hussein and it would have the same effect as you saying you work for NASA. come on. of course you are going to say that. anything that will give you more levrage (sp???) in the debate. you are just waiting for some dumb flat-earther to be gullible enough to fall for it.

kudos to you. interesting attempt, but better luck next time

Does it matter if he works for NASA or not?  Just go with it - explain weather satellites.

How do we know you're not lying when you say you work for NASA? Anyone can come and in here and say that. Why should we believe you?

That's true.

Also, I think you're overestimating exactly WHO knows about the conspiracy. As I said in my CCCC, at most, the top six or seven people of the biggest 'space exploration' teams need to know about the conspiracy. And unless you'll have me believe that you actually are the leader of NASA, you're probably being duped just as much as the rest of us are.

~D-Draw

You guys get way, way off topic.  

Weather satellites.  Why NASA would be in on the conspiracy when they have peaceful, scientific endeavors.  SpaceShip One.  Answer them.  

Stop being obsessed as to whether or not I work for NASA.  It should not trouble you.  And besides, I did not ask your opinion of it.  I asked your opinion on the other topics.  So just answer them.

Read the CCCC (which I linked to above) if you want to know about motives of the conspiracy (they apply to NASA just as well as they apply everywhere else), and I do believe the rest of the questions have been answered.

~D-Draw

In the CCCC, your motives presented are VERY sketchy, and your calculations are in no way based on ANYTHING.

Just explain the damn weather satellite thing.

In the CCCC, your motives presented are VERY sketchy, and your calculations are in no way based on ANYTHING.

Just explain the damn weather satellite thing.

What do you mean by my calculations aren't based on anything. Of course they're based on things. Maybe they aren't approved by your 'perfected' scientific facts that can't even prove gravity, but I feel that my motives and calculations are fairly logical. I don't see how my motives are sketchy, either. They seemed pretty in-detail to me (at least to the extent that they could be detailed). And anyways, if you want to argue anything specific against that thread, it should be addressed in that thread.

~D-Draw

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In the CCCC, your motives presented are VERY sketchy, and your calculations are in no way based on ANYTHING.

Just explain the damn weather satellite thing.

What do you mean by my calculations aren't based on anything. Of course they're based on things. Maybe they aren't approved by your 'perfected' scientific facts that can't even prove gravity, but I feel that my motives and calculations are fairly logical. I don't see how my motives are sketchy, either. They seemed pretty in-detail to me (at least to the extent that they could be detailed). And anyways, if you want to argue anything specific against that thread, it should be addressed in that thread.

~D-Draw

-Not enough guards. (You NEED backups!  And people to guard the guards!  And for them not to tell anyone!)
-Payment estimates wwwwayyyyyyyyyyyy low.   It was something like $50 million for every guard to have around $1 million a year for the rest of their lives, right?  So it'd probably be $50 million PER GUARD!

And that's from memory.  I haven't looked at it in a while.

EDIT: I re-skimmed it.  You expect all those guards to ABANDON THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND LIFE GOALS FOR ONLY $100,000, WITH 24 HOUR GUARDING?  The gov't would probably have to reveal the whole conspiracy to many people that after being told would decline.  This is even more retarded than I previously thought.

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In the CCCC, your motives presented are VERY sketchy, and your calculations are in no way based on ANYTHING.

Just explain the damn weather satellite thing.

What do you mean by my calculations aren't based on anything. Of course they're based on things. Maybe they aren't approved by your 'perfected' scientific facts that can't even prove gravity, but I feel that my motives and calculations are fairly logical. I don't see how my motives are sketchy, either. They seemed pretty in-detail to me (at least to the extent that they could be detailed). And anyways, if you want to argue anything specific against that thread, it should be addressed in that thread. ~D-Draw

He means that you pulled those numbers out of your ass.

I'm sorry Diego but that topic you made can't be taken seriously. You were never able to demonstrate what you said, and the numbers you started with are what they are simply because you chose them.

Why would they need preliminary photos to take to create fakes from? They could have simply used digital imagery or even painted canvases to create the photos and videos without having any photos as a starting point.

They would need something as a starting point so that when someone decides to map the earth for themselves,  their forged pictures wouldn't be instantly demonstrated to be faked, after spending so much money to make the software powerful enough to fake them, the hardware powerful  enough to support that out of this world software, and finally fake the pictures.

You guys get way, way off topic.  

Weather satellites.  Why NASA would be in on the conspiracy when they have peaceful, scientific endeavors.

Weather satellites don't exist.  The data either comes from ground based doppler stations or other airborne sources.

NASA would be in on it because they are part of the government and the fact they say the earth is round.

 SpaceShip One.

What about it?  NASA didn't make it.  You would think someone who works for NASA would know that...

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And by the way, the weathermen are usually right, so there must be "space" weather satellites.

How do you figure?  They can use ground based doppler to track the movement of storms and make a prediction from there.

And  by the way Engineer, you are extremely narrow-minded.  Saying "Oh, well, NASA says the Earth is round, so they must be in on the conspiracy," and making it one of your arguments, just doesn't work.  You have no evidence to back it up.  It's like when a little kid hears someone say there's no tooth fairy.  The kid will say, "You lie!" just because the kid thinks that there is a tooth fairy, and will not listen to any arguments, or give evidence as to why they think that.  And such is your current position.  

But anyway, as you clearly see, SpaceShipOne is not connected with NASA.  People who have been on SpaceShipOne and are in no way connected to the government or NASA will testify that the Earth is round.  Surely they're not part of the conspiracy, too?

And weather satellites.  Weathermen are usually right, so there must be space satellites.  Launched by NASA, perhaps?

And weather satellites.  Weathermen are usually right, so there must be space satellites.  Launched by NASA, perhaps?

Read my previous post.

SPACESHIPONE. READ MY PREVIOUS POST.

But anyway, as you clearly see, SpaceShipOne is not connected with NASA.  People who have been on SpaceShipOne and are in no way connected to the government or NASA will testify that the Earth is round.  Surely they're not part of the conspiracy, too?

Only two people have taken SpaceShipOne to the Kármán line.  

BTW, Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

You still haven't refuted any evidence.

Now why don't you show me some evidence other than "the Earth looks flat up close."

You still haven't refuted any evidence.

You didn't provide any.  

You made a statement.  I refuted.

En_Aristeuein, I would advise you not to argue with TheEngineer. He doesn't know what he's talking about in general. In fact, he supports a belief for which there is no evidence, yet asks for evidence from you. That only makes him a hypocrite, not a debator.

EDIT: the post below is directed at TheEngineer as well  

En_Aristeuein, I would advise you not to argue with TheEngineer. He doesn't know what he's talking about in general. In fact, he supports a belief for which there is no evidence, yet asks for evidence from you. That only makes him a hypocrite, not a debator.

All his posts are based on that, hes plain stupid. An example of one his statements that I could say, "This juice of mine can take me beyond 4 dimensions, that unknown to you people," yet he wouldnt have to provide the evidence to support it, just say that what he said is true.

En_Aristeuein, I would advise you not to argue with TheEngineer. He doesn't know what he's talking about in general.

Glad to see you are back...

hes plain stupid.

Examples, please.

En_Aristeuein, I would advise you not to argue with TheEngineer. He doesn't know what he's talking about in general. In fact, he supports a belief for which there is no evidence, yet asks for evidence from you. That only makes him a hypocrite, not a debator.

EDIT: the post below is directed at TheEngineer as well  

There's plenty of evidence for the Flat Earth Theory. Also, I'm not exactly sure why you're getting angry with him at this point; he didn't really even ASK for evidence. En_Aristeuein just said, "Hey, prove this evidence wrong," and Engineer replied with a "What evidence," seeing as there wasn't any in the first place.

~D-Draw

There's plenty of evidence for the Flat Earth Theory.

What are you guys keeping it to yourselves? Please share it with us.

The fact that I did not ask for any evidence does not mean anything.  I gave you evidence, and, technically, you did not refute it; you gave vague responses to offset my interest in arguing more.

In fact, all you guys have is a groundless theory based on no fact.  You know, I'm starting to think that this "FE" belief was founded upon the whimsy of a man in need of psychological help.