People on skateboards.

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #990 on: December 14, 2015, 12:06:09 PM »
Well, I said this yesterday & I was not wrong...

Besides, you invented a whole new branch of physics called 'Newtonian Multitasking' a few pages ago, to explain how one object can actually be two in order for your 'shpayze-rokkits' to function.

Sokarul was helping you; I believe your triumphant conclusion was that a man jumping up & down was decisive proof of your radical Thesis...

Care to enlighten us further on this 'Newtonian Multitasking'?

Give us all a few more belly-laughs, eh?

Because when someone tries to argue for One object actually being Two, & that it's possible to Push on Nothing, then the Comedy Gold can never be far away...

'Newtonian Multitasking' -  LMFAO!!!

Which one of you shpayze-stooges is gonna volunteer to write the wiki-article for THAT little brainwave, huh?

Larry, Curly, or Moe?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #991 on: December 14, 2015, 12:35:59 PM »
you conveniently ignored the part of my post that proves that the propellant can be object B.

Actually, I ignored everything you said that was not a simple 'Yes' or 'No'.
Oh, so you aren't interested in explanations as to why things happen?  Good to know.  ::)
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« Reply #992 on: December 14, 2015, 12:57:13 PM »
Oh; so you wanna start again, Cowardly Marine?

Okay; here's the point where you ran away from straightforward yes/no logic & began prevaricating:

Yes

Good.

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #993 on: December 14, 2015, 01:02:06 PM »
Oh; so you wanna start again, Cowardly Marine?

Okay; here's the point where you ran away from straightforward yes/no logic & began prevaricating:
I didn't run away.  I simply wanted to avoid a tedious and unnecessary discussion about rockets on launch pads when the topic is rockets in space.

Yes

Good.

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!
No.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #994 on: December 14, 2015, 01:09:29 PM »
Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!
No.

LULZ!!!

I rest my case.

Anyhoo; 'Newtonian Multitasking': who's writing the wiki-page on this epochal advance in Scientific Understanding?

Larry?

Curly?

Or Moe?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #995 on: December 14, 2015, 01:17:32 PM »
Anyhoo; 'Newtonian Multitasking': who's writing the wiki-page on this epochal advance in Scientific Understanding?

No need to, scientist have already written books about it

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« Reply #996 on: December 14, 2015, 01:24:53 PM »
Really?

Name one book that uses the term 'Newtonian Multitasking'.

And please use correct grammar & spelling when you do so, eh?

Meanwhile, let us look at the moment of markjo's complete intellectual self-destruction again...

For the lulz.

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!

No.

Nothing more to say after that, really, is there?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #997 on: December 14, 2015, 01:26:08 PM »
I rest my case.
Thank you, I accept your surrender.

Anyhoo; 'Newtonian Multitasking': who's writing the wiki-page on this epochal advance in Scientific Understanding?
You already admitted that one object can use stored energy to push off another object, so I don't understand your confusion on the subject. 

Or are you still having trouble understanding that one object can be contained within another object. 

If so, then think about it the next time you drink a beer.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #998 on: December 14, 2015, 01:30:00 PM »
The one i keep posting  for example.... It uses all the principles that u call "Newtonian multitasking"

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« Reply #999 on: December 14, 2015, 01:34:15 PM »
You already admitted that one object can use stored energy to push off another object, so I don't understand your confusion on the subject.

No, that was you.

Look:

So, a man jumps by utilising the energy provided through the contraction & expansion of his legs against the ground.

Yes?
Yes.

Alzheimers is a bitch ain't it?

Poor old markjo; he can't even remember who said what, let alone distinguish between ONE object & TWO objects...

He really is a mental ruin.
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« Reply #1001 on: December 14, 2015, 03:49:32 PM »
You already admitted that one object can use stored energy to push off another object, so I don't understand your confusion on the subject.

No, that was you.

Look:

So, a man jumps by utilising the energy provided through the contraction & expansion of his legs against the ground.
???  How is your statement about a man using the stored energy in his legs to push off the floor any different from my statement about one object using stored energy to push off of another object?
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« Reply #1002 on: December 15, 2015, 12:00:52 AM »
Here's your original statement on 'Newtonian Multitasking':

Jump up into the air.

The floor is object A

You are object B

Where is the propellant?

Yet somehow you have now arrived at this:

So, a man jumps by utilising the energy provided through the contraction & expansion of his legs against the ground.

Yes?
Yes.

And this:

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!

No.

And this:

How is your statement about a man using the stored energy in his legs to push off the floor any different from my statement about one object using stored energy to push off of another object?

I don't see any logical line of reasoning here at all.

So, please define exactly what Objects A and B represent, in terms of rocketry, in your original statement above.

This may help... though I doubt it, as the Alzheimers clearly has a fearsome grip on your mental faculties.

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1003 on: December 15, 2015, 05:32:11 AM »
I don't see any logical line of reasoning here at all.

So, please define exactly what Objects A and B represent, in terms of rocketry, in your original statement above.
The mass of rocket is object A, the mass of the propellant is object B and the action of burning the propellant is the energy source,

The mass of the floor is object A, the mass of the man is object B and the action of the man flexing his legs is the energy source.

Does that help?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1004 on: December 15, 2015, 05:53:48 AM »
Seriously, after all this time people in this century have trouble understanding the simple concept of action and reaction? All the trolling I have read here is "I don't get how a rocket's fuel can be object B, therefore it's a lie".

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« Reply #1005 on: December 15, 2015, 06:04:17 AM »
Does that help?

It helps me laugh at you; cheers!

Anyhoo; so, if the man is the fuel & the ground is the rocket, how come the ground doesn't move when the man jumps?

& how is the ground/rocket to keep on being not-moved once the man/fuel has left it?

There doesn't seem to be much rocket-like behaviour in your example, does there?

Of course, if you just accepted what I suggested below as being correct, we could begin to make sense of your spazzed-out analogy:

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!

No.

But your senile dementia seems to have left you sadly unable to process new information...

It truly is a tragic condition.

Seriously, after all this time people in this century have trouble understanding the simple concept of action and reaction? All the trolling I have read here is "I don't get how a rocket's fuel can be object B, therefore it's a lie".

Oh, look - markjo at least still remembers how to control his sock-puppet army.

It's the oldest habits that fade last with Alzheimers, so I expect many more interruptions from his little sock-horde before the lights finally go out...

Toodle-pip, markjo & 'friends'; don't forget to book a consultation at the Memory Clinic!
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1006 on: December 15, 2015, 06:17:37 AM »
By what mechanism does the atmosphere transfer a force to the rocket?
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« Reply #1007 on: December 15, 2015, 06:18:03 AM »
Does that help?
Anyhoo; so, if the man is the fuel & the ground is the rocket, how come the ground doesn't move when the man jumps?
???  Who said anything about the ground?  I said the floor, but I didn't say the floor of what.

Of course, if you just accepted what I suggested below as being correct, we could begin to make sense of your spazzed-out analogy:
I don't accept it as being correct because it isn't correct.  In the context of action/reaction pairings the rocket and its propellant are two different objects.
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« Reply #1008 on: December 15, 2015, 06:26:15 AM »
I said the floor, but I didn't say the floor of what.

Why not?

Could you not remember what you were referring to?

You need to get to that memory clinic asap, old codger!

In the context of action/reaction pairings the rocket and its propellant are two different objects.

So how come the propellant is INSIDE the rocket, whereas your man/fuel thing is OUTSIDE the floor?

Just stop stubbornly saying 'NO' to the following & all will become clear (to readers if not your addled self):

Now let us look at a rocket on its launch pad, with its fuel stored inside.

Is it fair to say that this, too, is ONE object, in the same way that a man, his leg-bones, muscles, stored energy etc, are ONE object?

Answer Yes or No, thank you please!

No.

Come on, markjo; you CAN learn new things - don't let the disease have its way with you, fight it!
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« Reply #1009 on: December 15, 2015, 06:35:28 AM »
Oh, & here's what you wrote only yesterday:

The mass of the man is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the ground in the same way that the mass of the expanding propellant is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the rocket.

Somewhat of a contrast with the below, is it not?

???  Who said anything about the ground?

Really; you MUST book an appointment at your nearest Memory Clinic immediately, as your condition is worsening by the day.
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« Reply #1010 on: December 15, 2015, 06:51:18 AM »
U talk a lot but u can show something to support your claims? Some scientific papers stating that rocket do not work in vacuum? Divulgative articles are not scientific paper, I would like an equation showing me how the thrust diminish with altitude

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« Reply #1011 on: December 15, 2015, 07:01:28 AM »
I said the floor, but I didn't say the floor of what.

Why not?
Because it doesn't really matter.

In the context of action/reaction pairings the rocket and its propellant are two different objects.

So how come the propellant is INSIDE the rocket, whereas your man/fuel thing is OUTSIDE the floor?
Why should it matter? 
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« Reply #1012 on: December 15, 2015, 07:26:35 AM »
Stop avoiding the point, markjo.

You just said this, implying I was mistaken:

???  Who said anything about the ground?  I said the floor, but I didn't say the floor of what

But only yesterday you said this, proving I was not:

The mass of the man is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the ground in the same way that the mass of the expanding propellant is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the rocket.

Are you Lying or are you Senile?

You are completely Lost here, aren't you?

'A man jumping up & down is like a rocket...'

'Newtonian Multitasking'...

'The ground is not the floor unless it is & it does & does not move & it doesn't matter anyway just because I say so, & it doesn't matter if a thing is One object or Two objects, again just because I say so...'

LMFAO!!!

Out. To. Lunch.

Oh, & you can tell your pet poodle luckyfred to stop yapping too.
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« Reply #1013 on: December 15, 2015, 07:33:10 AM »
Oh look, u're not showing anything to support your claims.... Good lunch cindy/troll call me when u have some actual evidence to backup your claims

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« Reply #1014 on: December 15, 2015, 08:01:32 AM »
Stop avoiding the point, markjo.

You just said this, implying I was mistaken:

???  Who said anything about the ground?  I said the floor, but I didn't say the floor of what

But only yesterday you said this, proving I was not:

The mass of the man is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the ground in the same way that the mass of the expanding propellant is supplying the force needed to push against the mass of the rocket.
Okay, so I said ground.  Again, why should it matter?

'A man jumping up & down is like a rocket...'
In the sense that the man is supplying the energy and the reaction mass, yes.

'Newtonian Multitasking'...
Ask one of your 'engineer' buddies to explain component vectors.

'The ground is not the floor unless it is & it does & does not move & it doesn't matter anyway just because I say so, & it doesn't matter if a thing is One object or Two objects, again just because I say so...'
Calm down Papa Legba, you're getting hysterical.

Have a pint and ponder whether the the beer and the glass are one object or two.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1015 on: December 15, 2015, 08:19:49 AM »
Papa, just a honest question...

What happens when you hold a 2 Lt soda bottle and shake it? Gas inside expands, yes. Now turn the tap slightly so the gas still doesn't escape the bottle. Now throw it hard onto the floor and the tap escapes the bottle, tell me what happens to the bottle?

YOu will see it flies in the opposite direction that of the gas escaping the bottle. That's object A, the bottle, and object B the expansion gas. YOu just understood how rockets work.

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« Reply #1016 on: December 15, 2015, 08:43:14 AM »
Okay, so I said ground.  Again, why should it matter?

Because you claimed you didn't & tried to imply I was incorrect in saying you did, retard.

Wtf is wrong with you?

Have a pint and ponder whether the the beer and the glass are one object or two.

Oh, so now a rocket is like a glass of beer?

Again: Wtf is wrong with you?

We are trying to establish whether a rocket & its fuel count as One object in Newtonian terms.

So when you come out with comments like this:

In the context of action/reaction pairings the rocket and its propellant are two different objects.

So how come the propellant is INSIDE the rocket, whereas your man/fuel thing is OUTSIDE the floor?
Why should it matter? 

I can only ask again: Wtf is WRONG with you?

Lastly:

Calm down Papa Legba, you're getting hysterical.

LOL!!!

Wishful thinking, old man; Words are Not Reality.

In fact, it is you who are getting your lying, senile ass handed to you.

And no amount of sock-puppetry, thread manipulation & barking from your trained poodle luckyfred will change that.

Toodle-pip, Liar!
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1017 on: December 15, 2015, 09:07:41 AM »
Have a pint and ponder whether the the beer and the glass are one object or two.

Oh, so now a rocket is like a glass of beer?

Again: Wtf is wrong with you?

We are trying to establish whether a rocket & its fuel count as One object in Newtonian terms.
Exactly.  Is a glass of beer one object or two?

Calm down Papa Legba, you're getting hysterical.

LOL!!!

Wishful thinking, old man; Words are Not Reality.
Then why do you feel the need to be so abusive?  It's hard to have a rational discussion when you have to filter through all of the bile that you spew.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1018 on: December 15, 2015, 09:09:01 AM »
Papa did you acknowledge my post?

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1019 on: December 15, 2015, 09:17:11 AM »
Papa did you acknowledge my post?
You mention that you've shown Papa how rockets work in your last post. Tell me: what is your expansion gas expanding into?