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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #480 on: October 27, 2015, 04:04:06 AM »
you don't know how gases behave and what happens to a gas when exposed to a vacuum. So I'll ask you yet again. If a container full of gas is exposed to vacuum and one side is opened, what effect does this have on each molecule of gas?

LOL!!!

This from the man who didn't even know what a Newtonian Force was a few weeks back...

Did you really think I'd forget that, Walter Mitty?

As for your silly 'container of gas' fairy tale (like: HOW is 'one side opened'? Quickly? Slowly? Or does it just magically disappear? GTFO!); here we go; clinky clanky billiard balls bouncing round in a box...

Told you so, didn't I?

SOLID MECHANICS & FALSE ANALOGIES FOR THE WIN!

Now; carry on Lying.
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« Reply #481 on: October 27, 2015, 04:08:14 AM »
Plus this, to stay on topic...

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.

This will continue for as long as the fuel tank is open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.

It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...

Sucks to be you; sucks like a vacuum in fact.

& this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.


Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forcess, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

I think that's all...

Better luck with your derailing next time, losers.

Oh; & what usernames do you employ when trolling youtube?

Answers please!

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #482 on: October 27, 2015, 05:43:06 AM »
Incorrect.
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« Reply #483 on: October 27, 2015, 05:53:00 AM »
LOL!!!

O rly?

Then please rebut every point, in detail, please.

Or we may think you're a Troll & a Liar...

(Oh, who am I kidding? We already KNOW you're a troll & a liar!)

Anyhow; rebuttal, please...

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.

This will continue for as long as the fuel tank is open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.

It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...

Sucks to be you; sucks like a vacuum in fact.

& this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.


Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forcess, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

Better luck with your derailing next time, loser...

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #484 on: October 27, 2015, 06:13:13 AM »
Papa, hate to break it to you but fluids are modelled as collections of solid particles. This is how fluid dynamics works and where Navier Stokes equations are derived from.
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« Reply #485 on: October 27, 2015, 06:40:40 AM »
You 'hate to break it it me' that you can quote wikipedia out of context?

Why?

Nobody cares.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #486 on: October 27, 2015, 07:15:33 AM »
The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.
Just out of curiosity, does that include hypergolic propellants that ignite on contact when sprayed into a combustion chamber?
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« Reply #487 on: October 27, 2015, 07:38:20 AM »
Just out of curiosity, does that include hypergolic propellants that ignite on contact when sprayed into a combustion chamber?

LOL!!!

What does it matter?

If the combustion chamber is open to the vacuum (which I'm still not sure you agreed upon or not, as you are such a shitposting snake... Luckily we all know damn well it IS open to the vacuum anyway), then any gas produced will simply expand, freely, following the path of least resistance & doing no work.

No matter how you twist & turn, all the laws of physics tell us that a gas-powered rocket simply cannot function in a vacuum.

Because YOU CANNOT PUSH ON NOTHING.

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #488 on: October 27, 2015, 07:42:28 AM »
You 'hate to break it it me' that you can quote wikipedia out of context?

Why?

Nobody cares.

I take it you missed the post where I mentioned I have a masters in Chemical Engineering......
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« Reply #489 on: October 27, 2015, 08:28:30 AM »
I take it you missed the post where I mentioned I have a masters in Chemical Engineering......

You have a masters in Chemical Engineering yet you didn't know the Newtonian definition of a Force until I pointed it out?

LMFAO!!!

At most you have an NVQ in Internet Trolling & Quoting Wikipedia...

But I'm guessing this is some kind of set-up for your big 'Rattling Billiard Balls in a Tin Can' last-hurrah false analogy...

Need to Establish Your Credentials before you go for it, eh?

So we RESPECT YOUR AUTHORITAH!!!

Just GTFO, Loser; cos no-one's buying what you're selling.
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« Reply #490 on: October 27, 2015, 08:41:07 AM »
I take it you missed the post where I mentioned I have a masters in Chemical Engineering......

You have a masters in Chemical Engineering yet you didn't know the Newtonian definition of a Force until I pointed it out.

And when was this? So far all I've heard from you is a collection of posts showing your total misunderstanding of physics.
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« Reply #491 on: October 27, 2015, 08:50:39 AM »
LOL!!!

That's right; pretend it didn't happen, Walter Mitty...

Like you pretend you have a masters in Chem. Eng.

*Yawn!*

Just spam out your rattling billiard balls analogy & be done with it, psycho.
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« Reply #492 on: October 27, 2015, 11:21:49 AM »
LOL!!!

That's right; pretend it didn't happen, Walter Mitty...

Like you pretend you have a masters in Chem. Eng.

*Yawn!*

Just spam out your rattling billiard balls analogy & be done with it, psycho.
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Ha ha ha lol!

You don't even understand the composition of matter and how gases behave. Muppet.

i have a degree and you clearly don't. I can feel the jealousy oozing from your every pore. Sorry little boy, go back to masturbating in your parents basement.
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« Reply #493 on: October 27, 2015, 01:37:40 PM »
LOL!!!

U mad bro?
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« Reply #494 on: October 27, 2015, 01:59:35 PM »
Enough of proven delusional fantasist mainframes, though; the reason he's descended into such depths of twitching derangement is because he cannot successfully refute the below, so is in danger of losing his job to a more able Troll...

Enjoy, Walter Mitty!

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.

This will continue for as long as the fuel tank is open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.

It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...

Sucks to be you; sucks like a vacuum in fact.

& this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.


Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forces, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

Better luck with your trolling & derailing next time, loser...
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« Reply #495 on: October 27, 2015, 03:20:07 PM »
Incorrect.
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« Reply #496 on: October 27, 2015, 03:39:28 PM »
Incorrect.

Prove it then; oh, that's right - you can't!

All you can do is shitpost & troll; just like you do on youtube in fact.

Cos only retards & trolls would argue that you can push against nothing.

Once again, from the top:

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.

This will continue for as long as the fuel tank is open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.

It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by all the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...

Sucks to be you; sucks like a vacuum in fact.

& this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.


Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forces, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

Better luck with your trolling & derailing next time, loser...

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« Reply #497 on: October 27, 2015, 05:48:29 PM »
Incorrect.

Prove it then; oh, that's right - you can't!
Already did.
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All you can do is shitpost & troll; just like you do on youtube in fact.

Cos only retards & trolls would argue that you can push against nothing.
Does the fuel have mass? Yes, therefore the rocket isn't pushing on nothing.


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Once again, from the top:

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.
Incorrect. A vacuum is not a force. The exhaust gases escape from their elastic collisions with each other. This takes time. Furthermore they are actually pushed out with quite the force for the constant addition of more molecules.

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Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.
Incorrect. I already shows that an air impact wrench will work in a vacuum. Air molecules do not knwo when they are next to a vacuum.

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This will continue for so long as the fuel tank is open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.
But then again, one side has a flow of more molecules and can't equalize to zero.

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It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by all the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...
You are so lost it's unbelievable.
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Sucks to be you; sucks like a vacuum in fact.
Vacuums don't suck. YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS.

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& this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Did you know guns fireing blanks still recoil, just not as much. It's like there is less mass.
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Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?
Fuel has mass. Still.

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Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.
Uneducated conclusion.

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Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.[/b]

Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forces, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

Better luck with your trolling & derailing next time, loser...
You lose. Maybe next time bring an argument that isn't shit.
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« Reply #498 on: October 27, 2015, 07:32:51 PM »
Just out of curiosity, does that include hypergolic propellants that ignite on contact when sprayed into a combustion chamber?

LOL!!!

What does it matter?

If the combustion chamber is open to the vacuum (which I'm still not sure you agreed upon or not, as you are such a shitposting snake... Luckily we all know damn well it IS open to the vacuum anyway), then any gas produced will simply expand, freely, following the path of least resistance & doing no work.
Do you suppose that it makes any difference as to just how open to the vacuum of space the chamber is?  That is, if you're burning 100 kg of propellant per second in a 25 cm diameter combustion chamber, will the exhaust gasses freely expand just as quickly out of a 2.5 cm diameter opening as they will out of a 25 cm diameter opening?
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« Reply #499 on: October 28, 2015, 02:21:29 AM »
Sorry, but I cannot debate with liars.

I will not waste time dissecting sokarul's mighty shitpost point by point; anyone with the slightest knowledge of physics can see it is nonsense, full of non-sequiturs, false logic & bold-faced lies.

His main mistake though - a deliberate one, I can only conclude - is to keep up the fallacy that the propellant, P, in my below example can take the place of Object B, & somehow be Two things at Once.

A child can see that it can not, therefore my argument remains unrefuted.

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.


You REALLY want them spayze-rokkitz to 'push on themselves' (lol!), don't you, Mr. Sock?

It must also be noted that sock-a-drool simply skims over this next part with the words 'you lose'.

Well done, Einstein!

Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forces, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.


Finally, note that sock-arul's most triumphant & emphatic crowing of victory is reserved for my little joke that 'round earthers' (lol!) 'suck like a vacuum'.

Of course I know that, strictly speaking, a vacuum does not 'suck', idiot; it's a JOKE.

What a loser... He sucks like a vacuum, in fact!

Oh, & he also blatantly lies when he says he has shown an air wrench will work in a vacuum; he has not.

& whether it does or not is irrelevant anyway, as - believe it or not, rocking socking psycho - a rocket is not an air -wrench!

So; presenting a Strawman wrapped within a Lie; great 'debate' work, socky-boy!

Of course, none of the above will convince our OCD sock-thing chum that he is anything but 'unndifeeetd'; nothing ever will.

But if you think his attitude stinks here, you should see what a foul-mouthed sociopath he is when trolling the far less censored environs of youtube comments...

As for markjo; nobody cares: gas can do no work in a vacuum.

Playing with numbers won't change this FACT.

I've told you this several times already, alzheimer's-face.

Perhaps you'd like to waste our time expounding on YOUR imaginary qualifications, as mainframes did?

I suggest that, like all intelligent neutral readers, you'd be better off learning the appropriate physical principles involved in our 'debate', so as to comprehend the iron-clad FACT that a gas-powered rocket simply cannot function in a practically infinite zero-pressure system...

But that is not the 'round earther's' (lol!) Nature, is it?

So; shitposting, time-wasting & imaginary qualifications it must be, I guess!

One last thing: LOL!!!
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« Reply #500 on: October 28, 2015, 05:08:18 AM »
From your inability to form a proper rebuttal we all know you were destroyed.
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« Reply #501 on: October 28, 2015, 05:34:51 AM »
As for markjo; nobody cares: gas can do no work in a vacuum.

Playing with numbers won't change this FACT.
I'm not trying to get gas to do work in a vacuum.  I'm trying to fill a combustion chamber with gas faster than free expansion can empty it by varying the size of the opening to space.  Do you believe that it's possible to do that or will the vacuum of space always win, even if the opening is microscopic?
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« Reply #502 on: October 28, 2015, 06:02:07 AM »
I'm not trying to get gas to do work in a vacuum.

Well then shut up, sit down, have a good long think about it all, then come up with some answers as to WHY all this 'spayzze-ecksplurayshun' tom-foolery has been foisted on us.

I know why; it's not hard to see...

And it's nothing to do with the Earth being Flat (lol!).

But don't worry; I'll keep quiet about it...

It's no big deal to me.

Anyhoo; I'd say this thread has run its course, wouldn't you?

None of you have come up with any solid science or logic to support your position.

Shall we just stop here & say I won?

Well, all of us except rampant monomaniac & sociopath sock-arul, that is; we all know what he's like!

Really; you wouldn't believe the filth he comes out with on youtube comments...
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« Reply #503 on: October 28, 2015, 06:03:36 AM »
I think the problem Papa has is that he thinks that the vacuum somehow sucks the gas molecules out of the chamber, and not the reality that they will bounce around until they happen to encounter the exit.
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« Reply #504 on: October 28, 2015, 06:11:31 AM »
I think the problem mainframes has is that he doesn't comprehend anything I write, lies repeatedly about his own abilities, & when pulled up on his bullshit responds thus:

Ha ha ha lol!

You don't even understand the composition of matter and how gases behave. Muppet.

i have a degree and you clearly don't. I can feel the jealousy oozing from your every pore. Sorry little boy, go back to masturbating in your parents basement.

Woah!

Stay classy, mainframes!

Anyhow; got that masters diploma in Chem. Eng handy, Liar?
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« Reply #505 on: October 28, 2015, 06:25:30 AM »
free expansion assumes an ideal gas with no mass.

LULZ!!!

You're making this up as you go along & it is hilarious!

Note to neutrals: free expansion is also known as Joules expansion or the Joules-Thomson effect. It states quite categorically that a gas can do no work in a vacuum.

No it doesn't Papa. Now YOU are lying

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Free expansion is an irreversible process in which a gas expands into an insulated evacuated chamber. It is also called Joule expansion.

It is not that gas cannot do work in a vacuum. It is that gas does no work when expanding into an evacuated chamber because all of the effect net to zero.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #506 on: October 28, 2015, 06:35:53 AM »
I'm not trying to get gas to do work in a vacuum.

Well then shut up, sit down, have a good long think about it all, then come up with some answers as to WHY all this 'spayzze-ecksplurayshun' tom-foolery has been foisted on us.
I'm trying to explain, but I need you to let me know if it's possible pump gas into a combustion chamber faster then free expansion can drain it if I make the opening small enough.  It really isn't that hard of a question, is it?

Anyhoo; I'd say this thread has run its course, wouldn't you?
No, because you refuse to answer simple questions that could move the discussion forward.

None of you have come up with any solid science or logic to support your position.
Solid science requires math and you're afraid of math.

But, if you insist on solid science, let's discuss the Venturi effect.  Essentially, it says that a fluid flowing in a large pipe will accelerate when it moves through a narrow opening.  Well, as has been mentioned countless times before, the combustion gasses leave through a relatively narrow opening in the combustion chamber. 

Even if the combustion gasses are merely freely expanding, the Venturi effect says that those gasses will accelerate when passing through that narrow opening.  Since the combustion gasses have mass, it follows that mass of the gasses multiplied by the acceleration will result in a force generated by those accelerating gasses.

Shall we just stop here & say I won?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #507 on: October 28, 2015, 07:20:58 AM »
LOL!!!

The old markjo/mainframes tag-team, at it again.

You gonna shitpost me into submission?

You are simply lying through your asses about gas laws & it is embarrassing.

Like this:

Even if the combustion gasses are merely freely expanding, the Venturi effect says that those gasses will accelerate when passing through that narrow opening. 

No it doesn't.

For that to happen there'd have to be pressure within the venturi chamber; but there isn't, because it's open to a vacuum, remember?

REMEMBER THE VACUUM?

Gas does No Work in a vacuum; I thought you'd agreed to that?

Don't tell me you've flip-flopped again; that's not like you...

LOL!!!

This is more your level, guys:

Ha ha ha lol!

You don't even understand the composition of matter and how gases behave. Muppet.

i have a degree and you clearly don't. I can feel the jealousy oozing from your every pore. Sorry little boy, go back to masturbating in your parents basement.

You got that masters diploma in Chem. Eng. ready to show us yet, Liar?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #508 on: October 28, 2015, 07:48:07 AM »
I mean; look at this garbage:

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Free expansion is an irreversible process in which a gas expands into an insulated evacuated chamber. It is also called Joule expansion.

It is not that gas cannot do work in a vacuum. It is that gas does no work when expanding into an evacuated chamber because all of the effect net to zero.

What, exactly, is in that 'evacuated chamber' that the gas does no work whilst expanding into?

Could it be a vacuum?

Why yes; yes it IS a vacuum.

Thus, mainframes completely contradicts himself in one sentence!

& what 'because all of the net effect to zero' means is anybody's guess...

He does this all the time, yet expects us to believe he has a masters in science...

LOL!!!

Cool story bro...
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #509 on: October 28, 2015, 09:02:15 AM »
I mean; look at this garbage:

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Free expansion is an irreversible process in which a gas expands into an insulated evacuated chamber. It is also called Joule expansion.

It is not that gas cannot do work in a vacuum. It is that gas does no work when expanding into an evacuated chamber because all of the effect net to zero.

What, exactly, is in that 'evacuated chamber' that the gas does no work whilst expanding into?

Could it be a vacuum?

Why yes; yes it IS a vacuum.

Thus, mainframes completely contradicts himself in one sentence!

& what 'because all of the net effect to zero' means is anybody's guess...

He does this all the time, yet expects us to believe he has a masters in science...

LOL!!!

Cool story bro...

Of course an evacuated chamber contains a vacuum, that's why it says 'evacuated'. The important point is that it must be a chamber. It must be a fully enclosed system that transfers no mass or energy to the external environment.

This is why you are totally missing the point. Free expansion does not net work because it is fully enclosed.
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