Never mind all this spitballing and guesswork. I remember seeing a debate a while ago on whether a plane on a conveyor belt could take off. In fact, it could, but people were at each others' throats for countless pages each convinced they were right. Theorizing ain't gonna get you anywhere.
Someone needs to bite the bullet and test it. Airtight seal, gun, tube, vacuum pump. Is there recoil?
Of course a plane can take off on a conveyor belt, why wouldn't it and what are you trying to prove with this?
Never mind the plane example. It was just an example of how theoretical debates can be futile. Some don't think the plane would accelerate if a conveyor belt went back at the same speed it was meant to go forwards. Theorizing is pretty pointless.
Theorising is only pointless when it goes against lying people who prefer to have their theories thought of as fact.
Your science handlers play with a stacked deck.
You people need to stop parroting the lies and start using your own naive brains instead of filling them full of garbage.
Make a claim. Then, make a justification. Most of the time, someone else can make up a contradiction.
I am new here, but I accept that the world is flat, and I have lurked long enough to admire you, Sceptimatic. Your open mindedness, and your intelligence, make you one of the best posters on this forum.
It is as you say, however. Theorizing is pointless, as you say, when faced with those who closed-mindedly accept only what they think to be true. This is why I suggested we stop. To them, we are that kind of person: to us, they are clearly that ignorant. Cold, hard observed fact is different. Gonna be hard to convince anyone the way it's going now, we'll just be repeating ourselves til kingdom come.
Yeah you make valid points on the whole. I mean, you're right in that nothing we say will prove or convince the people who have no desire to see anything different from their indoctrinated path of life...BUT, it's more about those who feel the need to at least get to view a potential truth of a lie, regardless of being able to do anything about it.
To put it plainly, it's more like sitting in a room with a known person who has an answer for everything and has top be louder than anyone in making their points.
Of course, we can sit there and simply nod our heads to their answers to life, knowing that it's potentially bullshit. The problem with this is, once people start seeing the nodding heads, they copy it rather than question what they heard.
This provides the ammunition and the confidence for the gob shite to carry on spewing their crap, knowing that peer pressure ensures they get their place on their soap box all the time.
It's just nice to know that a sly nudge to the person near you that clearly looks uncomfortable with the soap box prick's answers, can gain an ally into at least (at first) a whisper in the potential right direction rather than simply follow a set direction that is a straight path and a mundane walk that shows nothing different with each step, nor any deviations to that path.
We may not be able to physically prove much stuff that kills off the globe model but they cannot physically prove the opposite, except to use sleight of hand and mouth with gimmicks. Never once will someone grab your hand and take you to physically see what they tell you is reality...unless they take you and you don't come back.
It's a bit like looking out for your old neighbour. You can ask her carer how the neighbour is and can be told he/she is fine and comfy. You get shown photo's and video of the neighbour appearing fine.
One day you ask to see the neighbour physically for peace of mind, to be told that you can't because the nurse is there or he/she is in hospital for a check up...you know that sort of thing.
That's the type of crap that we deal with. Everything is shrouded in security or you're kept at ridiculous arms length that your eyes are viewing nothing that you can discern as what you're told you're viewing.
And so on.
I'd rather go to my grave knowing that I didn't swallow the bullshit in large spoonfull's and that a lot of what I swallowed as a youngster was digested and crapped out, never to be eaten again.