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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1320 on: December 21, 2015, 02:20:21 PM »
How about you give the post number so that way we can refer to it?
I don't know what number it was, so here it is again with more added.

TheEngineer claimed to have proved an argument using General Relativity. I pointed out how it's strange he always want to be right but used "proved" instead of saying he provided evidence.(Jroa agreed with me) You can't use a theory to claim proof when a theory is falsifiable.  General Relativity is no exception.  But anyways, TheEngineer then went and posted the dictionary definition of proof like it actually meant something, and claimed he was still correct. So to be correct he must have secret knowledge that General Relativity is correct from his own experiments. This is of course because he still thinks he can use the word "proof".

Now I admit I have used "proof" instead of "evidence" on here and there a few threads right now with proof in the title. It's just like I originally said, it's strange for some who who prides himself on always being correct to use a wrong word like that.
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« Reply #1321 on: December 21, 2015, 02:23:19 PM »
BAM!!!

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

Any gas introduced therein when the pressurised fuel tank leading to the combustion chamber is opened will simply expand freely into the enormous, zero-pressure vacuum, following the path of least resistance & doing no work whatsoever.

This will continue for as long as the fuel tank & chamber are open to the vacuum, until both exterior & interior pressures are equalised at zero.

It is a beautifully simple concept, fully supported by All the laws of physics, yet you 'round earthers' (lol!) just can't seem to grasp it...


Plus this:

You all claim that the recoil of a gun is a valid analogy for how a rocket works in a vacuum.

Here is why it is not:

With a gun you have object A, the mass of the gun; the expanding propellant, P, the gunpowder, sited between them; and object B, the mass of the bullet.

But with a rocket you ONLY have object A, the mass of the rocket,  & the expanding propellant, P, the fuel.

No object B, see?

Thus, you have removed the necessary recoil mass required to produce motion.

But we know a rocket DOES produce motion, don't we?

Ergo, some other mass MUST be taking the place of object B.

& the ONLY possibility for that other mass is the Atmosphere.

Ergo, NO atmosphere, NO motion; rockets CANNOT function in a vacuum.

Q.E.D.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, cultists, every child knows that You cannot Push on Nothing.

No maths required; only common sense.



Then there's the fact that you are all trying desperately to confine this 'debate' to the wrong branch of physics, i.e. Solid Mechanics rather than Fluid Mechanics...

Kinda dishonest of you, dontcha think?

Pressure-Gradient Forces, Gas Laws, Fluid Mechanics, Continuum Assumption & Joules Expansion are the areas I suggest neutral readers research.

Oh; & Thermodynamics too - thanks for that, markjo!

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« Reply #1322 on: December 21, 2015, 02:23:58 PM »
Incorrect.
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« Reply #1323 on: December 21, 2015, 02:27:22 PM »
LULZ!!!

You just can't help it, can you?

He is.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1324 on: December 21, 2015, 02:29:34 PM »
Do you really think you can't flow more into a chamber than what flows out of the chamber?
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« Reply #1325 on: December 21, 2015, 02:31:54 PM »
Did you really just write that?

You did, didn't you?

You really wrote that...

LOL!!!

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« Reply #1326 on: December 21, 2015, 02:32:47 PM »
So....is that a yes or no?

Can you flow more into a chamber than out of it?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2015, 02:47:08 PM by sokarul »
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« Reply #1327 on: December 21, 2015, 02:45:47 PM »
So....is that a yes or no?
Can you flow more into a chamber than out of it?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2015, 02:47:22 PM by sokarul »
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« Reply #1328 on: December 21, 2015, 02:48:12 PM »
From your cowardly response I'm going to take that as a yes.
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« Reply #1329 on: December 21, 2015, 02:51:42 PM »


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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1330 on: December 21, 2015, 03:04:57 PM »
BAM!!!

The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.
What about liquids?  Can liquids exist in a vacuum?  Can two hypergolic liquids be sprayed together in a vacuum and spontaneously combust producing combustion gasses?
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« Reply #1331 on: December 21, 2015, 03:07:09 PM »
To all who valiantly are trying to quiet this non-Flat Earther, non-Globe Earther and Non-sensical - well you know who!
He claims HIS rocket does not work in a vacuum, that's a bit funny (poor design I would say), because mine does.  In fact the thrust of mine actually increases as the outside pressure falls, right down to zero.

Clearly even his poor rocket works up to some high altitude, so I am refusing to give him any more information on the properties of de Laval Nozzles and supersonic gas flow until he can clearly say at what altitude his rocket fails to work.  There must be some low pressure that he classes as this magical vacuum, because even at an altitude of 300 km there is some atmospheric pressure (very, very low but not zero).

He will not answer me, maybe someone else can cajole him to answer - if he can!

If he cannot come up with a clear answer to this question he has proven he knows nothing on the subject.

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« Reply #1332 on: December 21, 2015, 03:26:36 PM »

http://s331.photobucket.com/user/sokarul/media/air.jpg.html
Yes. That picture was made to show how stupid the idea is for a rocket to push off the air.

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« Reply #1333 on: December 21, 2015, 03:44:58 PM »
He claims HIS rocket does not work in a vacuum, that's a bit funny (poor design I would say), because mine does.

LULZ!!!

Now everyone's a rokkit enjynerr!

The farce just grows & grows...

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« Reply #1334 on: December 21, 2015, 04:09:21 PM »
He claims HIS rocket does not work in a vacuum, that's a bit funny (poor design I would say), because mine does.
LULZ!!!
Now everyone's a rokkit enjynerr!
The farce just grows & grows...
Nope, I just get the rocket experts at JPL, theirs work at orbital altitudes, unlike yours.
But, yours might be cheaper, and I only need to go to 100 km, will yours work that high?

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« Reply #1335 on: December 21, 2015, 04:37:41 PM »
Remember when you had to run away from the simple question: Can you flow more into a chamber than out of it?
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« Reply #1336 on: December 21, 2015, 05:05:47 PM »
I only need to go to 100 km
So teh munn's only 100km away?
You're drunk again, aren't you?
BTW Get a new record, that one is worn out!
Your moon might be at some unknown height, mine is at around 384,400 km.  Verified by Ham radio echos, Miltary radar and laser reflections.
So your poor rocket won't get that high! Just what will it work to! and stop blustering and simply repeating old rubbish - we've read it all before.  Also Newton, Joules & Thomson are doing fine!

Waht about "Amateur Rocket Into Space Proves Flat Earth" from " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> and supposedly "proved the earth flat".
This one got to 117 km so yours is pretty poor.  If I were you I would get out of the whole rocket design area.

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #1337 on: December 21, 2015, 06:08:14 PM »
The combustion chamber of a rocket is open to the near-infinite vacuum of space.

Therefore, no gas can even be meaningfully said to exist within it, let alone combust.

What about liquids?  Can liquids exist in a vacuum?  Can two hypergolic liquids be sprayed together in a vacuum and spontaneously combust producing combustion gasses?
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« Reply #1338 on: December 21, 2015, 06:33:43 PM »
How about you give the post number so that way we can refer to it?
I don't know what number it was, so here it is again with more added.
So...that's a no, then, to the quote?  We are just supposed to take your word for it instead of reading my own words?  Sounds legit.   ::)


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« Reply #1339 on: December 21, 2015, 06:47:00 PM »
It's actually right here. There has just been a bunch of on topic posts no thanks to the worthless mods.
How about you give the post number so that way we can refer to it?
I don't know what number it was, so here it is again with more added.

TheEngineer claimed to have proved an argument using General Relativity. I pointed out how it's strange he always want to be right but used "proved" instead of saying he provided evidence.(Jroa agreed with me) You can't use a theory to claim proof when a theory is falsifiable.  General Relativity is no exception.  But anyways, TheEngineer then went and posted the dictionary definition of proof like it actually meant something, and claimed he was still correct. So to be correct he must have secret knowledge that General Relativity is correct from his own experiments. This is of course because he still thinks he can use the word "proof".

Now I admit I have used "proof" instead of "evidence" on here and there a few threads right now with proof in the title. It's just like I originally said, it's strange for some who who prides himself on always being correct to use a wrong word like that.
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« Reply #1340 on: December 21, 2015, 06:50:39 PM »
Seriously guys, can't you take this petty BS to another thread?
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« Reply #1341 on: December 21, 2015, 06:54:25 PM »
It's actually right here. There has just been a bunch of on topic posts no thanks to the worthless mods.
How about you give the post number so that way we can refer to it?
I don't know what number it was, so here it is again with more added.

TheEngineer claimed to have proved an argument using General Relativity. I pointed out how it's strange he always want to be right but used "proved" instead of saying he provided evidence.(Jroa agreed with me) You can't use a theory to claim proof when a theory is falsifiable.  General Relativity is no exception.  But anyways, TheEngineer then went and posted the dictionary definition of proof like it actually meant something, and claimed he was still correct. So to be correct he must have secret knowledge that General Relativity is correct from his own experiments. This is of course because he still thinks he can use the word "proof".

Now I admit I have used "proof" instead of "evidence" on here and there a few threads right now with proof in the title. It's just like I originally said, it's strange for some who who prides himself on always being correct to use a wrong word like that.
I don't see a quote of mine anywhere in there.


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« Reply #1342 on: December 21, 2015, 06:55:59 PM »
Seriously guys, can't you take this petty BS to another thread?
I'm sorry, is there a productive argument here that we are derailing?


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« Reply #1343 on: December 21, 2015, 06:56:40 PM »
It's not my fault 4 year degree engineers think they are gods and better than all the other 4 year degrees out there. We can't all ride 10 feet tall horses.
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« Reply #1344 on: December 21, 2015, 06:58:55 PM »
It's actually right here. There has just been a bunch of on topic posts no thanks to the worthless mods.
How about you give the post number so that way we can refer to it?
I don't know what number it was, so here it is again with more added.

TheEngineer claimed to have proved an argument using General Relativity. I pointed out how it's strange he always want to be right but used "proved" instead of saying he provided evidence.(Jroa agreed with me) You can't use a theory to claim proof when a theory is falsifiable.  General Relativity is no exception.  But anyways, TheEngineer then went and posted the dictionary definition of proof like it actually meant something, and claimed he was still correct. So to be correct he must have secret knowledge that General Relativity is correct from his own experiments. This is of course because he still thinks he can use the word "proof".

Now I admit I have used "proof" instead of "evidence" on here and there a few threads right now with proof in the title. It's just like I originally said, it's strange for some who who prides himself on always being correct to use a wrong word like that.
I don't see a quote of mine anywhere in there.
I know it's hard for you since "engineers are not scientist" so you will just have to go along with it when I say not all types of evidence are quotes.
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« Reply #1345 on: December 21, 2015, 07:07:52 PM »
Seriously guys, can't you take this petty BS to another thread?
I'm sorry, is there a productive argument here that we are derailing?
Yes.  I have a new argument for Papa Legba to ignore.
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« Reply #1346 on: December 21, 2015, 07:12:11 PM »
It's not my fault 4 year degree engineers think they are gods and better than all the other 4 year degrees out there. We can't all ride 10 feet tall horses.
Hey, watch who you are denigrating.  TheEngineer is not the only one around here with 4 year Engineering Degree!  Mind you I did not say "4 year degree Engineer" as I was never a "Professional Engineer", so I guess TheEngineer is one up there.  My degree was Electrical, so I guess that does not help a lot until people saying silly things about electrical topics - there hasn't been much of that here.
PS I have enough trouble with a 15 hand horse, let alone 10 feet!
Wish you two would cool it here or move to "Absolute Rubbish".  Poor Papa can hardly get a word in!

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« Reply #1347 on: December 21, 2015, 08:19:07 PM »
It's not my fault 4 year degree engineers think they are gods and better than all the other 4 year degrees out there. We can't all ride 10 feet tall horses.
/cry

I know it's hard for you since "engineers are not scientist" so you will just have to go along with it when I say not all types of evidence are quotes.
Except in this case, you are making the claim that I claimed to have proven General Relativity.  So in this case, quote(s) of me making such a claim are the only accepted forms of evidence.  Your conjecture is not evidence.


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« Reply #1348 on: December 21, 2015, 08:24:53 PM »
It's not my fault 4 year degree engineers think they are gods and better than all the other 4 year degrees out there. We can't all ride 10 feet tall horses.
/cry

I know it's hard for you since "engineers are not scientist" so you will just have to go along with it when I say not all types of evidence are quotes.
Except in this case, you are making the claim that I claimed to have proven General Relativity.  So in this case, quote(s) of me making such a claim are the only accepted forms of evidence.  Your conjecture is not evidence.
So, once again you have no rebuttal for the evidence presented. Not surprising.
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« Reply #1349 on: December 21, 2015, 08:30:15 PM »


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