Questions from an Airline pilot

Hi Flat earthers,

I was wondering if you could explain these anomalies in the theory.

I have superimposed the supposed FE tracks that an airliner from the company fly for would have to fly in order to carry out two of its regular scheduled services i.e. Sydney to Johannesburg and Sydney to Santiago... vis



And..



I won't go into the technical details of fuel requirements at this stage, (suffice to say that the range requirements exceed any current airliner, but these flights are available for anyone to to buy a seat and watch exactly where they point themselves after takeoff. Neither of them head anywhere near the northern part of Australia, in fact quite the opposite. Neither is over land for any more than 5% of the total flight time. This can be verified by siting at a window, seat on the Sydney -Jo'Berg flight which is all daytime. It s a boring view believe me.

Thoughts?

They have no official map. But a user named FEScientist is trying to make a map based off flightimes.

They have no official map. But a user named FEScientist is trying to make a map based off flightimes.

Well, the flight time Sydney to LA is 13.5 hours. Since the Santiago flight would fly over LA in this scenario and is roughly half way, that would make the Santiago flight well over 25 hours flight time or almost 9 hours longer than the current longest route we fly, Dallas to Sydney, of 16.5 hours.

HI,

If you flew from Australia to LA flying over the Atlantic you would never get there in just 13.5 hours... the plane would run out of fuel and you would crash near Madagascar or over the Atlantic before reaching LA. You can make it form Australia to LA in just 13.5 hours because you fly over the North Pacific the Whole time... from there you still have the South pacific to which will take another 8 to 10 hours.
If Australia was anywhere near Madagascar you could just make a direct fly to Santiago over the Atlantic is just 12 hours, but it's not, so attempting such fly would mean another plane crashing.
The reason why flying from Sidney to LA you don't travel North is because you are flying over the North Pacific, so the Magnetic Pole is below the Bearing Strait, just above Greenland, so when you're flying over the North Pacific the needle points North to your left while you travel to South West over the Pacific, then you make a small turn to the left to land in LA, so the needle will not be pointing to North as you're turning to South East.
 As an airline pilot you should clearly see this basics.

You might be missing the point. He is saying that on a Flat Earth, the shortest distance between two points can be easily determined using basic Euclidean geometry. Assuming the above map is at least approximately correct, it would be impossible to make either of these flights without making stops to refuel. However, it is clearly possible to do this in real life, and it is done many times every day. This is easily explained by non-Euclidean geometry-- i.e. a Round Earth.

You might be missing the point. He is saying that on a Flat Earth, the shortest distance between two points can be easily determined using basic Euclidean geometry. Assuming the above map is at least approximately correct, it would be impossible to make either of these flights without making stops to refuel. However, it is clearly possible to do this in real life, and it is done many times every day. This is easily explained by non-Euclidean geometry-- i.e. a Round Earth.

I'm sorry to tell you but you surely are not going or coming from Australia at all... if Australia was anywhere near Madagascar as you map it on a round Earth, then a flight from Australia to Lisbon or vice-versa would be a straight direct flight of maximum 12 hours... that flight ain't possible because Australia is nowhere near Madagascar... in fact, if the Earth is round, if you draw a parallel line South-North and you drill a straight hole-tunnel in Madagascar, you will get to the West Coast of Australia... Madagascar and Australia are opposites on a West North-South parallel of the globe.

   

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 19, 2015, 01:37:01 AM

They have no official map. But a user named FEScientist is trying to make a map based off flightimes.

Well, the flight time Sydney to LA is 13.5 hours. Since the Santiago flight would fly over LA in this scenario and is roughly half way, that would make the Santiago flight well over 25 hours flight time or almost 9 hours longer than the current longest route we fly, Dallas to Sydney, of 16.5 hours.

The azimuthal equidistant projection you're using as a map is only intended as a filler in lieu of a genuine map. I don't know of any flat earther who believes it to be a fully accurate depiction.
The Sydney to LA flight may not be a good example. Wind speeds seem to be a huge factor involved. I'm designing a map based on flight times, and the important thing, to accurately gauge distances, is to look at the flight time to and from.

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

In airline operations, the navigation systems based on a globe, work. They would not work on a FE map of any description. It is an example of real world considerations impeding on a theory.

I was Air Force trained using map and compass basics. I have navigated aircraft very large distances using those techniques. When I first joined the airline I now work for, GPS was not being used and aircraft used Inertial Nav. A reversion kit was available should all the inertial systems fail. It required using the same map and compass skills I had been taught.

Aircraft navigation is a critical, life or death function. It has to be done correctly and it is based on a GLOBE, not a flat map.

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

In airline operations, the navigation systems based on a globe, work. They would not work on a FE map of any description. It is an example of real world considerations impeding on a theory.

I was Air Force trained using map and compass basics. I have navigated aircraft very large distances using those techniques. When I first joined the airline I now work for, GPS was not being used and aircraft used Inertial Nav. A reversion kit was available should all the inertial systems fail. It required using the same map and compass skills I had been taught.

Aircraft navigation is a critical, life or death function. It has to be done correctly and it is based on a GLOBE, not a flat map.

So you claim. But clearly you are a shill for Big Globe.

(Just kidding, I am *not* a Flathead.)

Quote from: Airline Pilot on September 19, 2015, 02:09:20 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 19, 2015, 01:37:01 AM

They have no official map. But a user named FEScientist is trying to make a map based off flightimes.

Well, the flight time Sydney to LA is 13.5 hours. Since the Santiago flight would fly over LA in this scenario and is roughly half way, that would make the Santiago flight well over 25 hours flight time or almost 9 hours longer than the current longest route we fly, Dallas to Sydney, of 16.5 hours.

The azimuthal equidistant projection you're using as a map is only intended as a filler in lieu of a genuine map. I don't know of any flat earther who believes it to be a fully accurate depiction.
The Sydney to LA flight may not be a good example. Wind speeds seem to be a huge factor involved. I'm designing a map based on flight times, and the important thing, to accurately gauge distances, is to look at the flight time to and from.

I've been on that flight a number of times,  Sydney to Los Angeles direct,  on Qantas,    I usually arrive in LAX before taking off from Sydney,   but it takes an extra day to come home.
13 1/2 hours flying time is about right.   Less  the 24 hours gained crossing the date line.   

This subject has been gone over many times on this website.

It all boils down to the simple fact that there is no accurate flat earth map because there is no flat earth from which to make a flat earth map of the entire earth.

The map shown in your post is simply the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe with its distortions of shapes and distances south of the equator.

I am a paid government shill , too. I served an enlistment in the U.S. Navy and am a retired technician who worked for the F.A.A. They both use a lot of maps based on projections of the globe which qualifies me to also be a paid shill and "globularist."

Just kidding , too. I'm not  a flat earther either. LOL.

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

In airline operations, the navigation systems based on a globe, work. They would not work on a FE map of any description. It is an example of real world considerations impeding on a theory.

I was Air Force trained using map and compass basics. I have navigated aircraft very large distances using those techniques. When I first joined the airline I now work for, GPS was not being used and aircraft used Inertial Nav. A reversion kit was available should all the inertial systems fail. It required using the same map and compass skills I had been taught.

Aircraft navigation is a critical, life or death function. It has to be done correctly and it is based on a GLOBE, not a flat map.

Yet the map in which you base your flights are a slap in your face to us leaving on the North Atlantic European coast, because we know the Arctic Ocean is very compact and is situated above Greenland and below the Bearing Strait, having Canada and Alaska to the left side and Siberia to the other... yet the wrong map you use for those navigation technics places the Arctic Ocean above the parallel of the Bearing Strait, all fragmented, and immensely reduces the size of the Danish Greenland... so the map you have been trained with can't possibly be right.

The Journey by Land and sea, from the Hiberic Peninsula is simple and well known, we just journey to Northern France following the North Atlantic coast line and take a ferry to the England, another ferry from there to Ireland, from Ireland another ferry to Iceland and from Iceland another ferry to the Danish Greenland... all this journey is done following the North Atlantic coast and through the North Atlantic up till Greenland... crossing Greenland to the North we get to the Arctic Ocean, and crossing the Arctic Ocean through the Magnetic Pole we face the the Bearing Strait... there is absolutely no doubt about this.
Besides the map you train with has the perfect Aleutians Islands Arch broken at the middle, with half of the Aleutians Islands Arch above the Bearing Strait and the other half of the Arch bellow the Bearing Strait... if you can't see the Aleutians Islands Arch is broken in your map, then you must be blind... or thinking we are blind enough to be deceived like that. 

Quote from: Airline Pilot on September 19, 2015, 05:49:29 PM

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

In airline operations, the navigation systems based on a globe, work. They would not work on a FE map of any description. It is an example of real world considerations impeding on a theory.

I was Air Force trained using map and compass basics. I have navigated aircraft very large distances using those techniques. When I first joined the airline I now work for, GPS was not being used and aircraft used Inertial Nav. A reversion kit was available should all the inertial systems fail. It required using the same map and compass skills I had been taught.

Aircraft navigation is a critical, life or death function. It has to be done correctly and it is based on a GLOBE, not a flat map.

Yet the map in which you base your flights are a slap in your face to us leaving on the North Atlantic European coast, because we know the Arctic Ocean is very compact and is situated above Greenland and below the Bearing Strait, having Canada and Alaska to the left side and Siberia to the other... yet the wrong map you use for those navigation technics places the Arctic Ocean above the parallel of the Bearing Strait, all fragmented, and immensely reduces the size of the Danish Greenland... so the map you have been trained with can't possibly be right.

The Journey by Land and sea, from the Hiberic Peninsula is simple and well known, we just journey to Northern France following the North Atlantic coast line and take a ferry to the England, another ferry from there to Ireland, from Ireland another ferry to Iceland and from Iceland another ferry to the Danish Greenland... all this journey is done following the North Atlantic coast and through the North Atlantic up till Greenland... crossing Greenland to the North we get to the Arctic Ocean, and crossing the Arctic Ocean through the Magnetic Pole we face the the Bearing Strait... there is absolutely no doubt about this.
Besides the map you train with has the perfect Aleutians Islands Arch broken at the middle, with half of the Aleutians Islands Arch above the Bearing Strait and the other half of the Arch bellow the Bearing Strait... if you can't see the Aleutians Islands Arch is broken in your map, then you must be blind... or thinking we are blind enough to be deceived like that.

I'm having trouble following what you are trying to say,  can you draw a map that helps explains the point you are trying to make.

I'm having trouble following what you are trying to say,  can you draw a map that helps explains the point you are trying to make.

I'm not trying to make a point... it's basic geography.
If you need to see a map read my thread "Can't find any good map"
and place questions there.

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

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Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

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I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

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I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

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The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

Circular. Essentially, all the globe map has going for it is approximately accurate directions and distances. This is the only way to test a map; it is also hard to do.
The idea that no flat map could achieve the same is a grand claim, and one not justified merely by pointing to a handful of individual cases.

On the Mercator, I specified 'one' hemisphere: the common objection is that, on a circular plane, the outer is stretched out. This only really makes sense if you assume the equator is a perfect circle at halfway. I doubt this is true. The OP seemed to be addressing the Azimuthal projection, so I demonstrated this is not always the case.
Mercator is certainly an imperfect representation: no one claims otherwise.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

Circular. Essentially, all the globe map has going for it is approximately accurate directions and distances. This is the only way to test a map; it is also hard to do.
The idea that no flat map could achieve the same is a grand claim, and one not justified merely by pointing to a handful of individual cases.

On the Mercator, I specified 'one' hemisphere: the common objection is that, on a circular plane, the outer is stretched out. This only really makes sense if you assume the equator is a perfect circle at halfway. I doubt this is true. The OP seemed to be addressing the Azimuthal projection, so I demonstrated this is not always the case.
Mercator is certainly an imperfect representation: no one claims otherwise.

Do you know why a globe map and a flat map are so incompatible? I has mostly to do with edges. On a globe map, there are no edges. On a flat map, there are edges. When projecting a globe onto a flat plane, you have to "rip" the globe at some points and streatch them out to form the edges required. If you want to project a flat map onto a globe you have to compress and bind together the edges, until all are eliminated. This is why it is absolutely impossible for a flat a map and a globe map to achieve the same geography.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

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I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

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I am no pilot.

And no, goggle earth does not have any of these inconsistencies you listed above.
The arctic ocean is the northen most ocean. If you with:

that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above

mean "that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above north of it" Then that is how it should be. The bearing straight does not lie at the north pole. However, the arctic ocean does lie at the north pole. So this is either horrible geographic knowledge of yours or lies from you.
No, the arch is not broken. You are literally lying. See this pic:

See that the arch is not broken in half by the bearing straight?

Now you're just lying right at our faces. Please come up with a trustworthy lie next time, or come up with an inconsistency with google earth.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

Circular. Essentially, all the globe map has going for it is approximately accurate directions and distances. This is the only way to test a map; it is also hard to do.
The idea that no flat map could achieve the same is a grand claim, and one not justified merely by pointing to a handful of individual cases.

On the Mercator, I specified 'one' hemisphere: the common objection is that, on a circular plane, the outer is stretched out. This only really makes sense if you assume the equator is a perfect circle at halfway. I doubt this is true. The OP seemed to be addressing the Azimuthal projection, so I demonstrated this is not always the case.
Mercator is certainly an imperfect representation: no one claims otherwise.

I do appreciate your work and all... but you are missing the point entirely...
there is no South Pole... This World only has a Magnetic Center, so North and South cannot be measured as below and above the Equator but above and below the Magnetic center, which is zero point. You are right that the surface of this World is flat, but you must think on north and south from zero point... when you do that this flat World is not just a theory but a fact... some help finding a map from zero point would be nice.

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 07:33:42 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

Circular. Essentially, all the globe map has going for it is approximately accurate directions and distances. This is the only way to test a map; it is also hard to do.
The idea that no flat map could achieve the same is a grand claim, and one not justified merely by pointing to a handful of individual cases.

On the Mercator, I specified 'one' hemisphere: the common objection is that, on a circular plane, the outer is stretched out. This only really makes sense if you assume the equator is a perfect circle at halfway. I doubt this is true. The OP seemed to be addressing the Azimuthal projection, so I demonstrated this is not always the case.
Mercator is certainly an imperfect representation: no one claims otherwise.

I do appreciate your work and all... but you are missing the point entirely...
there is no South Pole... This World only has a Magnetic Center, so North and South cannot be measured as below and above the Equator but above and below the Magnetic center, which is zero point. You are right that the surface of this World is flat, but you must think on north and south from zero point... when you do that this flat World is not just a theory but a fact... some help finding a map from zero point would be nice.

Sory, but your idea of magnetism is just wrong. Everything with a magnetic field has a north and a south pole.

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 07:27:52 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

.

I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

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I am no pilot.

And no, goggle earth does not have any of these inconsistencies you listed above.
The arctic ocean is the northen most ocean. If you with:

Quote

that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above

mean "that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above north of it" Then that is how it should be. The bearing straight does not lie at the north pole. However, the arctic ocean does lie at the north pole. So this is either horrible geographic knowledge of yours or lies from you.
No, the arch is not broken. You are literally lying. See this pic:

See that the arch is not broken in half by the bearing straight?

Now you're just lying right at our faces. Please come up with a trustworthy lie next time, or come up with an inconsistency with google earth.

The arch is not broken on that partial view of the globe and it's accurate yet it is not google maps, is a partial view of the World, equaling the also partial map I have which is accurate... and as you can see on that very partial view of this World the Aleutians Arch is not broken, and the Arctic Ocean is below the Bearing Strait just above Greenland and the Atlantic Ocean...
But that you are showing me is not google maps, is a partial and very small view of the World enlarged in a supersize resolution globe... I wonder if you have another World view showing HALF hemisphere with that so we can clearly see the shape of the continents too in that half hemisphere...
if you can do that, then I'll apologise to you, but if you can't, then you should apologize to me for calling me a liar.

I'll be waiting for you to produce an image of the "globe's" half hemisphere...
I think you are trolling.

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 Also, with a better inspection of the image you posted, I can see that is a photoshopped fabricated image as I can easily prove to you, because you are showing me an image of a perfect Aleutians Arch but with America standing below the Arch at the left of Asia, when in fact watching to the Arch from below Asia stands at the left in relation to America...
why are you trying to deceive me..?

Below the Arch America stands at the left,
See:

 

The time for you deceivers is nearly ending.

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Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 07:55:52 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 07:27:52 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

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I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

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I am no pilot.

And no, goggle earth does not have any of these inconsistencies you listed above.
The arctic ocean is the northen most ocean. If you with:

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that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above

mean "that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above north of it" Then that is how it should be. The bearing straight does not lie at the north pole. However, the arctic ocean does lie at the north pole. So this is either horrible geographic knowledge of yours or lies from you.
No, the arch is not broken. You are literally lying. See this pic:

See that the arch is not broken in half by the bearing straight?

Now you're just lying right at our faces. Please come up with a trustworthy lie next time, or come up with an inconsistency with google earth.

The arch is not broken on that partial view of the globe and it's accurate yet it is not google maps, is a partial view of the World, equaling the also partial map I have which is accurate... and as you can see on that very partial view of this World the Aleutians Arch is not broken, and the Arctic Ocean is below the Bearing Strait just above Greenland and the Atlantic Ocean...
But that you are showing me is not google maps, is a partial and very small view of the World enlarged in a supersize resolution globe... I wonder if you have another World view showing HALF hemisphere with that so we can clearly see the shape of the continents too in that half hemisphere...
if you can do that, then I'll apologise to you, but if you can't, then you should apologize to me for calling me a liar.

I'll be waiting for you to produce an image of the "globe's" half hemisphere...
I think you are trolling.

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Sorry, but it won't break in any way however you look at it. Your ignorance won't change facts.

https://www.google.com/earth/

Download this map and get me a screenshot of the "break". Get me any image where something does not appear as it should.

Also, that is the map you wanted. The whole map. It's more than just one hemisphere; it's both of them. It's the whole world. post any inconsistencies you find here please, with screenshots.

Also, with a better inspection of the image you posted, I can see that is a photoshopped fabricated image as I can easily prove to you, because you are showing me an image of a perfect Aleutians Arch but with America standing below the Arch at the left of Asia, when in fact watching to the Arch from below Asia stands at the left in relation to America...
why are you trying to deceive me..?

Below the Arch America stands at the left,
See:

 

The time for you deceivers is nearly ending.

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Turn your screen upside down. WOW! Suddenly America is to the right and Asia to the left! Surprise!

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 08:30:55 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 07:55:52 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 07:27:52 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

.

I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

.

I am no pilot.

And no, goggle earth does not have any of these inconsistencies you listed above.
The arctic ocean is the northen most ocean. If you with:

Quote

that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above

mean "that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above north of it" Then that is how it should be. The bearing straight does not lie at the north pole. However, the arctic ocean does lie at the north pole. So this is either horrible geographic knowledge of yours or lies from you.
No, the arch is not broken. You are literally lying. See this pic:

See that the arch is not broken in half by the bearing straight?

Now you're just lying right at our faces. Please come up with a trustworthy lie next time, or come up with an inconsistency with google earth.

The Arch is not broken on that partial view of the globe and it's accurate yet it is not google maps, is a partial view of the World, equaling the also partial map I have which is accurate... and as you can see on that very partial view of this World the Aleutians Arch is not broken, and the Arctic Ocean is below the Bearing Strait just above Greenland and the Atlantic Ocean...
But that you are showing me is not google maps, is a partial and very small view of the World enlarged in a supersize resolution globe... I wonder if you have another World view showing HALF hemisphere with that so we can clearly see the shape of the continents too in that half hemisphere...
if you can do that, then I'll apologize to you, but if you can't, then you should apologize to me for calling me a liar.

I'll be waiting for you to produce an image of the "globe's" half hemisphere...
I think you are trolling.

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Sorry, but it won't break in any way however you look at it. Your ignorance won't change facts.

https://www.google.com/earth/

Download this map and get me a screenshot of the "break". Get me any image where something does not appear as it should.

Also, that is the map you wanted. The whole map. It's more than just one hemisphere; it's both of them. It's the whole world. post any inconsistencies you find here please, with screenshots.

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 08:59:38 AM

Also, with a better inspection of the image you posted, I can see that is a photoshopped fabricated image as I can easily prove to you, because you are showing me an image of a perfect Aleutians Arch but with America standing below the Arch at the left of Asia, when in fact watching to the Arch from below Asia stands at the left in relation to America...
why are you trying to deceive me..?

Below the Arch America stands at the left,
See:

 

The time for you deceivers is nearly ending.

.

Turn your screen upside down. WOW! Suddenly America is to the right and Asia to the left! Surprise!

Stop trolling with photoshopped nonsence

The Arctic Sea rests bellow the Aleutians Arch, so as the imaged you produce is showing almost all Asia and Euro and the Arctic Ocean on and the Atlantic so supersized that Asia and Europe's cost line is on a straight line with the American Atlantic Coast... so to what hemisphere does America bends to from the Magnetic Pole..? You're image does not respect the Sea bed and Continental mass... so clearly a photoshop image.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 09:09:01 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 08:30:55 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 07:55:52 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 07:27:52 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 20, 2015, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: FEScientist on September 20, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

Quote from: Airline Pilot

The point is that the FE map, of any sort, massively distends one of the hemispheres, in this case the Southern Hemisphere, which is where I fly from.

It renders countries such as Australia massively oversized.

That's untrue. The Mercator projection gives a depiction of the Earth's surface on a plane, without distending one hemisphere. I don't think anyone takes it to be an accurate map, but it makes my point. Some projections does not equal all projections; you are making claims based upon assuming the Azimuthal, or similar, map.

The mercator does in fact distend both hemispheres, the closer to the poles the greater the distension.

Actually, why is a globe map the only map which doesn't create any distension?  (I think we all know the answer)

I couldn't find any accurate globe map... just portions of this World placed on a globe shape with its circumference too small to be accurate.., that and the image of Antarctica on the round globe is just the reversed image of the North Pole.
A joke really...

.

I find lot's of accurate globe maps. Google earth is one example. It doesn't distort anything, and all distances are as accurate as you are going to get on a map.

Google Earth is an horrible map that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above, and also brakes the perfect Aleutian Islands Arch in the middle placing half above the Bearing Strait and the other half below the Bearing Strait... if you are a trained pilot how come you can't recognize a map which breaks the Aleutian Islands in half and diverges the direction of the Arch into opposite directions..? Please be serious... any other map that you can recommend me but that..? If yes, please do it on my other thread in which I'm actually asking for some help to find an accurate map... have you even bothered reading that thread or is your intention to just scroll this one up page..?

.

I am no pilot.

And no, goggle earth does not have any of these inconsistencies you listed above.
The arctic ocean is the northen most ocean. If you with:

Quote

that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above

mean "that places the Arctic Ocean without the Bearing Strait above north of it" Then that is how it should be. The bearing straight does not lie at the north pole. However, the arctic ocean does lie at the north pole. So this is either horrible geographic knowledge of yours or lies from you.
No, the arch is not broken. You are literally lying. See this pic:

See that the arch is not broken in half by the bearing straight?

Now you're just lying right at our faces. Please come up with a trustworthy lie next time, or come up with an inconsistency with google earth.

The arch is not broken on that partial view of the globe and it's accurate yet it is not google maps, is a partial view of the World, equaling the also partial map I have which is accurate... and as you can see on that very partial view of this World the Aleutians Arch is not broken, and the Arctic Ocean is below the Bearing Strait just above Greenland and the Atlantic Ocean...
But that you are showing me is not google maps, is a partial and very small view of the World enlarged in a supersize resolution globe... I wonder if you have another World view showing HALF hemisphere with that so we can clearly see the shape of the continents too in that half hemisphere...
if you can do that, then I'll apologise to you, but if you can't, then you should apologize to me for calling me a liar.

I'll be waiting for you to produce an image of the "globe's" half hemisphere...
I think you are trolling.

.

Sorry, but it won't break in any way however you look at it. Your ignorance won't change facts.

https://www.google.com/earth/

Download this map and get me a screenshot of the "break". Get me any image where something does not appear as it should.

Also, that is the map you wanted. The whole map. It's more than just one hemisphere; it's both of them. It's the whole world. post any inconsistencies you find here please, with screenshots.

Quote from: Zero Point on September 20, 2015, 08:59:38 AM

Also, with a better inspection of the image you posted, I can see that is a photoshopped fabricated image as I can easily prove to you, because you are showing me an image of a perfect Aleutians Arch but with America standing below the Arch at the left of Asia, when in fact watching to the Arch from below Asia stands at the left in relation to America...
why are you trying to deceive me..?

Below the Arch America stands at the left,
See:

 

The time for you deceivers is nearly ending.

.

Turn your screen upside down. WOW! Suddenly America is to the right and Asia to the left! Surprise!

Stop trolling with photoshopped nonsence

The Arcti see rests bellow the Aleutians Ach, so as the imaged you produce is showing almost all Asia and Euro and the Arctic Ocean on and the Atlantic so supersized that Asia and Europe's cost line is on a straight line with the American Atlantic Coast... so to what hemisphere does America bends to from the Magnetic Pole..? You're image does not respect the sea bed and Continental mass... so clearly a photoshop image.

Sorry, but you really have to learn how to structure your writing so it is understandable. Especially don't make the post into one huge sentence. And grammar is failing you. I can just barely understand that.

The Arcti see rests bellow the Aleutians Ach, so as the imaged you produce is showing almost all Asia and Euro and the Arctic Ocean on and the Atlantic so supersized that Asia and Europe's cost line is on a straight line with the American Atlantic Coast...

Nothing is supersized. Nothing is stretched. Stop lying, it's so obvious.

so to what hemisphere does America bends to from the Magnetic Pole..?

Clarify yourself please. Impossible to understand.

You're image does not respect the sea bed and Continental mass... so clearly a photoshop image.

The image does respect the sea bed and continental mass. So clearly you are lying. Again.

Why do you lie so much when it is obvious? It is obvious that you are trolling, so obvious.

Are you blind..?
The Atlantic Ocean and the Arctic Ocean do not stretch so much... your view picture has the European Atlantic Coast so far away from the American Atlantic Coast that is unreal... you can only be a joker helping another joker... the distance from Alaska to Siberia is very short through the Arctic Ocean... your image shows a distance between them on a almost 180 degrees angle... just look at the "picture" you're showing... total nonsense

(and sorry... some problems typing for keyboard stiff keys)