Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?

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zorbakim

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Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« on: September 18, 2015, 11:54:09 PM »
Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?

1. Coriolis Effect: independent
2. Foucault's Pendulum: independent
3. airplane: dependent !!

People assist that airplane is tied with Earth's spin.
So they say that flight-time of east to west is equal to that of west to east.

what's true? independent or dependent?

 
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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015, 01:20:03 AM »
It's not about whether the atmosphere does or does not spin with the Earth. It's about inertia. An object will move with a constant velocity until it is accelerated.

Here's a simple experiment to demonstrate this. Hold your keys or some heavyish object in your hand. Walk forward in a straight line and do not slow down or speed up. Now, throw your keys straight up in the air and continue walking with the same speed. Your keys should fall right back into your hand. This works on a moving train as well. The next time you get on a train, wait until you're moving very fast, at a constant speed, and in a straight line. Now, toss an object some distance in the air, and it will fall right back into your hand. The speed of the train does not matter, the object will always fall right back down.

The exact same principle can be applied to airplanes flying east or west. The speed of earth's rotation will not affect the plane's flight time at all unless the plane moves north or south. If you have a question or I haven't explained this clearly enough, please let me know.
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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2015, 01:31:45 AM »
Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?

1. Coriolis Effect: independent
2. Foucault's Pendulum: independent
3. airplane: dependent !!

People assist that airplane is tied with Earth's spin.
So they say that flight-time of east to west is equal to that of west to east.

what's true? independent or dependent?

Coriolis effect actually is dependant on the air rotating with the earth.

Foucaults pendulum has nothing with the atmosphere to do anyways, as long as the air it us in is still.

Flying from west to east and vice versa is roughly equal in speed. Depends on how winds. If the plane is flying with the wind it goes faster, if it flies against the wind it goes slower.
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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2015, 05:08:57 AM »
The atmosphere mostly spins with the earth,  but that causes some interesting effects,   like banding,    as you move away from the equator,  the rotational velocity decreases,  and  eventually at the poles the rotational velocity is zero.    The velocity gradient leads to circulation patterns in the atmosphere that define bands.    If you look at a picture of Jupiter, you can see very sharp banding,  but Jupiter is a big gas giant,  and rotates very fast,  about every 11 hours, if I recall correctly.  By comparison the banding effect is much smaller on earth.



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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2015, 02:24:14 PM »
The atmosphere mostly spins with the earth,  but that causes some interesting effects,   like banding,    as you move away from the equator,  the rotational velocity decreases,  and  eventually at the poles the rotational velocity is zero.    The velocity gradient leads to circulation patterns in the atmosphere that define bands.    If you look at a picture of Jupiter, you can see very sharp banding,  but Jupiter is a big gas giant,  and rotates very fast,  about every 11 hours, if I recall correctly.  By comparison the banding effect is much smaller on earth.



Good one Razor, THE EARTH SPINS. That should be the name of your next comedy act. Keep it up you are getting funnier every day. ROTFL  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2015, 04:40:04 PM »
The atmosphere mostly spins with the earth,  but that causes some interesting effects,   like banding,    as you move away from the equator,  the rotational velocity decreases,  and  eventually at the poles the rotational velocity is zero.    The velocity gradient leads to circulation patterns in the atmosphere that define bands.    If you look at a picture of Jupiter, you can see very sharp banding,  but Jupiter is a big gas giant,  and rotates very fast,  about every 11 hours, if I recall correctly.  By comparison the banding effect is much smaller on earth.



Good one Razor, THE EARTH SPINS. That should be the name of your next comedy act. Keep it up you are getting funnier every day. ROTFL  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2015, 06:16:26 AM »
The atmosphere mostly spins with the earth,  but that causes some interesting effects,   like banding,    as you move away from the equator,  the rotational velocity decreases,  and  eventually at the poles the rotational velocity is zero.    The velocity gradient leads to circulation patterns in the atmosphere that define bands.    If you look at a picture of Jupiter, you can see very sharp banding,  but Jupiter is a big gas giant,  and rotates very fast,  about every 11 hours, if I recall correctly.  By comparison the banding effect is much smaller on earth.



Good one Razor, THE EARTH SPINS. That should be the name of your next comedy act. Keep it up you are getting funnier every day. ROTFL  ;D ;D ;D

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Yes it was dummy, But the earth wasn't spinning like you bubble head people think. Don't be a Razor, wise up you are better than that.
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Re: Whether the Earth spins independently of the air or not?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2015, 12:51:23 PM »
You aren't adding anything to the discussion. You can't respond to an argument with "You are wrong and I find it amusing." All that you are doing there is revealing your position, which I'm pretty sure everyone here knows already.