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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2015, 11:04:26 AM »
Quote from: Serulian on September 09, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
The majority of the population that knows NASA is full of crap are actually Round Earthers, and yet all the Round Earthers I have seen post on this site believe NASA and trust the government.

I feel like you guys know the Earth is Flat but can't admit it for some stubborn reason or another the truth. You need to look up the definition of denialism.  :-\

The majority of the population that thinks NASA is full of crap are Round Earthers only because there are only a few hundreds (thousands?) Flat Earthers in the world. Even if a million RE thinks that, the probability that one of them would be on this website is extremely low. No contradiction.

However, the proportion of RE thinking that NASA is full of crap is far lower than the proportion of FE thinking that.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2015, 11:06:30 AM »
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2015, 01:50:24 PM »
Quote from: Serulian on September 09, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
The majority of the population that knows NASA is full of crap are actually Round Earthers, and yet all the Round Earthers I have seen post on this site believe NASA and trust the government.

I feel like you guys know the Earth is Flat but can't admit it for some stubborn reason or another the truth. You need to look up the definition of denialism.  :-\
Not everyone here is American you know... Even if I didn't believe in the physics associated to the RE model, I would believe in the latter for a single reason : on a geopolitical aspect, I would NEVER believe in a model that would imply that Russia, the USA, China, Europe in general, etc, to maintain a conspiracy together. That would NEVER happen.

But I do believe in the physics associated to the RE model, so np :)
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2015, 03:10:39 PM »
Quote from: Yendor on September 09, 2015, 07:27:49 AM
Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on September 09, 2015, 04:31:39 AM
As a non USA person, I am always surprised that people are okay with the massive military budget, but freak out with the relatively tiny NASA budget. Just the development of one aircraft for the air force, the JSF (which is underperforming on almost all aspects of intended design) cost about as much as NASA's entire budget since 1970's to 2015

Do you work in the general accounting office?

Let me help you here.

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on September 09, 2015, 04:31:39 AM
As a non USA person...

Probably not.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2015, 03:47:30 PM »
Quote from: Charming Anarchist on September 09, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: UptonSinclair
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Here's a picture that hoax nutters such as yourself must hate - a satellite deployment by one of the space shuttles, obviously in orbit around a spherical earth - what beautiful curvature we have here. 

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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2015, 03:59:54 PM »
Quote from: chtwrone on September 09, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Charming Anarchist on September 09, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: UptonSinclair
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
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Here's a picture that hoax nutters such as yourself must hate - a satellite deployment by one of the space shuttles, obviously in orbit around a spherical earth - what beautiful curvature we have here. 



Before calling this photograph a fake, please prove us it is a fake.
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WASTE OF TAXES
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2015, 04:09:24 PM »
Quote from: XaeXae on September 09, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Before calling this photograph a fake, please prove us it is a fake.
Before wasting tax-payers money, please get a real job. 
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Re: WASTE OF TAXES
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2015, 04:10:54 PM »
Quote from: Charming Anarchist on September 09, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: XaeXae on September 09, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Before calling this photograph a fake, please prove us it is a fake.
Before wasting tax-payers money, please get a real job.

What the WTF ? ???
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2015, 02:38:45 PM »
Quote from: Serulian on September 09, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
The majority of the population that knows NASA is full of crap are actually Round Earthers, and yet all the Round Earthers I have seen post on this site believe NASA and trust the government.

I feel like you guys know the Earth is Flat but can't admit it for some stubborn reason or another the truth. You need to look up the definition of denialism.  :-\

Actually, it's the flat earthers that have the market cornered on 'denialism'.

The denial of the spherical earth is the saddest joke doing the rounds at the moment.

The picture below was taken by an astronaut on one of the Apollo missions, as they orbited the moon - beautiful isn't it.



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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2015, 03:05:14 PM »
Quote from: chtwrone on September 10, 2015, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: Serulian on September 09, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
The majority of the population that knows NASA is full of crap are actually Round Earthers, and yet all the Round Earthers I have seen post on this site believe NASA and trust the government.

I feel like you guys know the Earth is Flat but can't admit it for some stubborn reason or another the truth. You need to look up the definition of denialism.  :-\

Actually, it's the flat earthers that have the market cornered on 'denialism'.

The denial of the spherical earth is the saddest joke doing the rounds at the moment.

The picture below was taken by an astronaut on one of the Apollo missions, as they orbited the moon - beautiful isn't it.





    It is a nice work of art, I"ll give you that. Too bad they forgot to add the stars.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2015, 03:30:03 PM »
Quote from: Serulian on September 10, 2015, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: chtwrone on September 10, 2015, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: Serulian on September 09, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
The majority of the population that knows NASA is full of crap are actually Round Earthers, and yet all the Round Earthers I have seen post on this site believe NASA and trust the government.

I feel like you guys know the Earth is Flat but can't admit it for some stubborn reason or another the truth. You need to look up the definition of denialism.  :-\

Actually, it's the flat earthers that have the market cornered on 'denialism'.

The denial of the spherical earth is the saddest joke doing the rounds at the moment.

The picture below was taken by an astronaut on one of the Apollo missions, as they orbited the moon - beautiful isn't it.





    It is a nice work of art, I"ll give you that. Too bad they forgot to add the stars.

Ah, here's the flat earth/hoax nutter ignorance rearing its ugly head again.

It takes about 15 seconds exposure time to capture the image of stars during the night here on earth.

The relatively bright environment of sunlit space, would require a camera exposure setting of somewhere around 1/125th of a second, but technophobes such as yourself wouldn't know this.

Of course there would be no stars in a picture such as this, as the required exposure time is way too short to ever capture stars.

The following link might explain it to your satisfaction -
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae323.cfm

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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2015, 04:53:53 PM »
It utterly amazes me that 99.9% of all normal sounding FE arguments come from complete ignorance of the subject they are talking about.  Much like the photograph there and the lack of stars.  If he/she had a clue about how a photograph works, then he would understand that his argument was invalid before he/she splattered it out here on my screen like a monkey throwing feces.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2015, 06:25:20 PM »
Mikey T. is the only smart one here. 
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2015, 08:26:07 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Mikey T. is the only smart one here.

Jroa, have you misunderstood Mikey T's comment?  He is agreeing with me, not you.

And just to establish the level of your knowledge concerning photography, do you agree that in order to prevent an image from being overexposed, a fast shutter setting must be used in bright lighting conditions?
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2015, 08:34:57 PM »
Quote from: chtwrone on September 10, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Mikey T. is the only smart one here.

Jroa, have you misunderstood Mikey T's comment?  He is agreeing with me, not you.

And just to establish the level of your knowledge concerning photography, do you agree that in order to prevent an image from being overexposed, a fast shutter setting must be used in bright lighting conditions?

Do you understand what sarcasm is? 
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2015, 08:42:22 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: chtwrone on September 10, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Mikey T. is the only smart one here.

Jroa, have you misunderstood Mikey T's comment?  He is agreeing with me, not you.

And just to establish the level of your knowledge concerning photography, do you agree that in order to prevent an image from being overexposed, a fast shutter setting must be used in bright lighting conditions?



Do you understand what sarcasm is?
Yes, but your attempt was so bad, I didn't want to give you the satisfaction of acknowledgement. It seems you've been played, lol.

So just going back a few posts, did you understand my question re photography?  Do you concede that the faint images of stars would never show on pictures taken when using a fast exposure setting on a camera?




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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2015, 08:49:51 PM »
I am sorry, but I can only concede that you are an idiot.   
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2015, 09:49:10 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
I am sorry, but I can only concede that you are an idiot.

You don't actually have much general knowledge do you. I think I'm dealing with a bit of a simpleton here. It's quite an easy question, but I guess the answer is way beyond your scope of understanding, hence your lame response.

It never ceases to amaze me, how pig ignorant flat earthers are. With each and every post, they display the pathetic ignorance they are infamous for. It wouldn't surprise me if you also thought that a rocket engine requires air to push off against, lol.

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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2015, 09:56:33 PM »
wow, that proves it, right?  lol
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2015, 01:22:41 AM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
wow, that proves it, right?  lol

If you've got a different opinion about how a rocket engine propels a rocket forward, then we would all like to hear it - please proceed.


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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2015, 12:57:52 PM »
Ok, just so that we can get rid of these "arguments" once and for all,

1) Rockets eject mass and are pushed back because they do that, they don't push against the atmosphere, so, therefore, they don't need it,

and 2) Stars don't appear in photos from space because they are too faint. Get outside during the night, and try to capture video of stars. Can you see any?
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2015, 01:26:19 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
I am sorry, but I can only concede that you are an idiot.
Are you being sarcastic again?
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2015, 02:06:21 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 10, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
wow, that proves it, right?  lol

Do you understand what forces are involved in the picture below?

When the cannon ball is fired out of the cannon, which way does the cannon go?

When a rocket fires fuel out of its engines, which way does the rocket go?


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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2015, 06:22:23 PM »
Quote from: Yendor on September 05, 2015, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Master_Evar on September 05, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: Yendor on September 05, 2015, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: chtwrone on September 05, 2015, 01:29:02 PM
Quote from: Papa Legba on September 05, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
Neither rockets - nor anything else man-made - can get into space, so it must be some other technology.

Think about it, then return with Answers rather than Questions & maybe we'll give you the time of day...

Until then, f**k off.

'Neither rockets - nor anything else man made can get into space......'?    Really?

The documented and observed evidence plainly shows that ROCKETS CAN GET INTO SPACE. Why wouldn't they?  If your answer is going to be something along the lines that rockets need an atmosphere to push off, then sadly your knowledge of physics is virtually non-existent. The Apollo Saturn V rocket's 1st stage engines ejected 15 tons of burnt fuel every second, at a speed of over 4 km/second. Newton's 3rd law of motion states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. A rocket engine is reactionary. In other words, the action of the huge mass of burnt fuel travelling at hypersonic speed going in one direction causes the rocket to be propelled in the opposite direction. If anything, the atmosphere actually impedes a rocket's progress due to drag, until it reaches higher altitudes, where the rocket engine becomes much more efficient due to a lack of atmosphere.

Why doesn't a car's exhaust push it forward. It may not go as fast as a rocket, but surely it should move a little.

Exhaust does push a car forwards. By an amount so small it's incomprehensible for the human brain, that it's practically zero.

I didn't realize that. Why do we need jet engines, why not just use rockets on planes?

Actually, that's a good question, and we *do* use rockets on planes -- we did in the past, pre-MASA, when they tested the X-planes - and we do even today with something called JATO, which is an acronym for "Jet Assisted Take Off"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JATO
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM »
Quote from: Serulian on September 05, 2015, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on September 05, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: Papa Legba on September 05, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
Neither rockets - nor anything else man-made - can get into space, so it must be some other technology.

Think about it, then return with Answers rather than Questions & maybe we'll give you the time of day...

Until then, f**k off.

Only I can see satellites and the ISS with my telescope, so... Yeah. I think you get the idea.

How can you be certain that what you are seeing is not just holographic projections set up by NASA? They seemed to convince a lot of people that they landed on the moon in the past using smoke and mirror theatrics.

Uh...Occam's Razor?

Plus, look, if we start to believe, as some Flat Earthers do, that the entire night sky is a fake hologram, then at what point do we know that *anything* we see is real? Perhaps our entire reality is some giant Truman Show level conspiracy to full us into believing that the what we see  and hear and smell and touch is real? Hell, perhaps we ALL live in the Matrix? (Though in the latter case, no need for holograms and "fake" Moon Landings, you could just program all that stuff into your simulation...make it real...)

And if everything IS a hologram then how can I know that any of the so-called "evidence" for a Flat Earth is real as well? How do I know *that* is faked, if I can't trust my senses about *ANYTHING*!? How do I know that ANYTHING I think to be true, and real, is in fact true and real and not some sort of elaborate trick...!?!?

I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket, and show them out the window that were were literally in *orbit* around the Earth, they would claim that the window was a super-high-resolution TV screen or something, or some kid of planetarium projection, and that the only reason we were all suddenly weightless is because we were falling inside of an airplane in free-fall.

And if I were to take the very same Flat Earther outside in a suit for a spacewalk, they would claim that I drugged them or I'm projecting images into their mind. Why? Because *NOTHING* - NO amount of empirical evidence will convince someone that something that they religiously believe to be true, isn't in fact true at all.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2015, 12:08:14 AM »
Quote from: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM


I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket,
Is this what they call "blind faith"?
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2015, 12:44:40 AM »
Quote from: tappet on September 15, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM


I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket,
Is this what they call "blind faith"?
That's exactly what it is and something these people tend to use as if it proves anything. It's like it's almost as if they actually own and run the particular things being talked about.  ;D
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2015, 01:54:56 AM »
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Quote from: tappet on September 15, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM


I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket,
Is this what they call "blind faith"?
That's exactly what it is and something these people tend to use as if it proves anything. It's like it's almost as if they actually own and run the particular things being talked about.  ;D


Whatever evidence is provided to support the round earth model, you are obliged to reject it outright. To do anything else would be an admission that your flat theory is flawed and obviously you would never do this.

Accordingly, you are completely ignorant of even basic principles which govern how this planet works.  EVERYTHING that is connected to the round earth model is therefore part of a worldwide conspiracy.  There must be a lot of people, and I mean a lot, that must know the truth about the conspiracy. Funny how not one of these people have ever blown the whistle on the round earth hoax.

Therefore the only conclusion that can drawn from this, is that -

                       THE WORLD IS A SPHERICAL PLANET ORBITING THE SUN. THE MOON IS ORBITING THE EARTH - FACT.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2015, 02:45:16 AM »
Quote from: chtwrone on September 15, 2015, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: sceptimatic on September 15, 2015, 12:44:40 AM
Quote from: tappet on September 15, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM


I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket,
Is this what they call "blind faith"?
That's exactly what it is and something these people tend to use as if it proves anything. It's like it's almost as if they actually own and run the particular things being talked about.  ;D


Whatever evidence is provided to support the round earth model, you are obliged to reject it outright. To do anything else would be an admission that your flat theory is flawed and obviously you would never do this.

Accordingly, you are completely ignorant of even basic principles which govern how this planet works.  EVERYTHING that is connected to the round earth model is therefore part of a worldwide conspiracy.  There must be a lot of people, and I mean a lot, that must know the truth about the conspiracy. Funny how not one of these people have ever blown the whistle on the round earth hoax.

Therefore the only conclusion that can drawn from this, is that -

                       THE WORLD IS A SPHERICAL PLANET ORBITING THE SUN. THE MOON IS ORBITING THE EARTH - FACT.
Wow another one of your riveting, edjemecational posts!
Old mate said "I actually believe that if I could take a FEer up in a rocket"
That's kiddy talk. Can you take us up in a rocket?
Tell us again why you can not. I'm all ears.
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Re: If all of the satellites are only a NASA conspiracy
« Reply #89 on: September 15, 2015, 04:43:46 AM »
Quote from: tappet on September 15, 2015, 02:45:16 AM
Quote from: chtwrone on September 15, 2015, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: sceptimatic on September 15, 2015, 12:44:40 AM
Quote from: tappet on September 15, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 14, 2015, 06:34:40 PM


I actually believe that if I could take a Flat Earther up in a rocket,
Is this what they call "blind faith"?
That's exactly what it is and something these people tend to use as if it proves anything. It's like it's almost as if they actually own and run the particular things being talked about.  ;D


Whatever evidence is provided to support the round earth model, you are obliged to reject it outright. To do anything else would be an admission that your flat theory is flawed and obviously you would never do this.

Accordingly, you are completely ignorant of even basic principles which govern how this planet works.  EVERYTHING that is connected to the round earth model is therefore part of a worldwide conspiracy.  There must be a lot of people, and I mean a lot, that must know the truth about the conspiracy. Funny how not one of these people have ever blown the whistle on the round earth hoax.

Therefore the only conclusion that can drawn from this, is that -

                       THE WORLD IS A SPHERICAL PLANET ORBITING THE SUN. THE MOON IS ORBITING THE EARTH - FACT.
Wow another one of your riveting, edjemecational posts!
Old mate said "I actually believe that if I could take a FEer up in a rocket"
That's kiddy talk. Can you take us up in a rocket?
Tell us again why you can not. I'm all ears.

We don't know who you actually are, we don't have the rocket ourselves and we don't have nearly enough funds. This makes it really hard to bring you on a rocket trip.
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