9/11

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

What do you think happened that day?  Was it a terrorist attack?  Did the government use explosives to collapse the towers?  Was the whole thing faked?  Discuss.

I believe that the towers were brought down by terrorist planes as we are told, and I am willing and ready to defend that.

Good! Then win my Heiwa € 1 000 000:- Challenge #1 (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) and show how the small, weak top C of any structure/skyscraper can crush the intact, big, much stronger bottom part A after e.g. a terrorist plane has tried to land in the interface C/A, shown live on TV!

It seems you have already failed to win the #2 Challenge after much discussion here on FES forum but maybe you have better luck now. There are plenty US experts and university professors claiming that C can crush A (after a terrorist landing between C and A) but strangely enough none have collected my € 1 000 000:- . I wonder why? Are they working for the terrorists?

Personally I have doubts, if top C really crushes bottom A as shown on all videos.

It seems that C just disappears first - it is being compressed and POUFF - it is not there anymore. Then there is A like a fountain or volcano just ejecting debris and smoke upwards/outwards - very impressive - but you wonder where the energy/forces come from. 

In my opinion all videos of the top down collapses are just trick films produced by Hollywood. I doubt any arab terrorists managed that.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 07:36:34 AM

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Seriously? Some people really like to argue for entertainment or whatever. I blieve you jump into conclusions way too fast.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 07:36:34 AM

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Mikeman  the super agent...    yep,   that'll  fly.   

9/11 is  just another  dumbass conspiracy,   with zero credibility,  and despite being debunked over and over, there are still people who are suckered into the whole conspiracy mindset.   

Does it belong in flat earth,  probably not directly,  but it does shine some light on the flawed reasoning and sheer stupidity of conspiracy loonies.

Quote from: Yendor on September 01, 2015, 07:57:42 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 07:36:34 AM

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Mikeman  the super agent...    yep,   that'll  fly.   

9/11 is  just another  dumbass conspiracy,   with zero credibility,  and despite being debunked over and over, there are still people who are suckered into the whole conspiracy mindset.   

Does it belong in flat earth,  probably not directly,  but it does shine some light on the flawed reasoning and sheer stupidity of conspiracy loonies.

Get a grip; you fool nobody.
3 towers, all steel framed all collapse into their own basements on the same day supposedly due to jet fuel fires. What a load of bullshit.
Your parting shot should be enough to tell anyone what you are. (In red).

Well, this is going about as well as expected.

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Holy crap, this is like a modern day witch hunt.  What do you want me to swear by this time?

Flat Earth theory is getting a bit old after the greater part of a year and this has been on my mind lately because my brother is convinced that it's an inside job.  I did a lot of research to debate the topic with him and I might as well use that knowlage here.  I just enjoy debating especially when it comes to real world issues like this.  Unlike conspiracy theorists I look at both sides of the debate so I can make an informed objective decision and although conspiracies are real this is not one of them.

Good! Then win my Heiwa € 1 000 000:- Challenge #1 (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) and show how the small, weak top C of any structure/skyscraper can crush the intact, big, much stronger bottom part A after e.g. a terrorist plane has tried to land in the interface C/A, shown live on TV!

It seems you have already failed to win the #2 Challenge after much discussion here on FES forum but maybe you have better luck now. There are plenty US experts and university professors claiming that C can crush A (after a terrorist landing between C and A) but strangely enough none have collected my € 1 000 000:- . I wonder why? Are they working for the terrorists?

Personally I have doubts, if top C really crushes bottom A as shown on all videos.

It seems that C just disappears first - it is being compressed and POUFF - it is not there anymore. Then there is A like a fountain or volcano just ejecting debris and smoke upwards/outwards - very impressive - but you wonder where the energy/forces come from. 

In my opinion all videos of the top down collapses are just trick films produced by Hollywood. I doubt any arab terrorists managed that.

The parts of the towers that fell and crushed the bottom part weigh over 100,000 tons.  I bet if you drop a 100,000 ton object on any skyscraper then it will collapse.  It's really not that supprising that it happened.

Quote from: Rayzor on September 01, 2015, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Yendor on September 01, 2015, 07:57:42 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 07:36:34 AM

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Mikeman  the super agent...    yep,   that'll  fly.   

9/11 is  just another  dumbass conspiracy,   with zero credibility,  and despite being debunked over and over, there are still people who are suckered into the whole conspiracy mindset.   

Does it belong in flat earth,  probably not directly,  but it does shine some light on the flawed reasoning and sheer stupidity of conspiracy loonies.

Get a grip; you fool nobody.
3 towers, all steel framed all collapse into their own basements on the same day supposedly due to jet fuel fires. What a load of bullshit.
Your parting shot should be enough to tell anyone what you are. (In red).

So,  oh great and wise sceptimatic genius,  which one of the many loony conspiracies do you believe?     Or wait,  I bet  you think it  was a denspressure vortex?   
 

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 10:46:28 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on September 01, 2015, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Yendor on September 01, 2015, 07:57:42 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 07:36:34 AM

Is anyone going to try to debunk my arguments or do you agree with them?

I'm totally convinced now that you are not who you say you are and you do in fact work for the government. Your job it to debunk every conspiracy that is out there. Why else would you be bring up the whole 9/11 thing. It has nothing to do with Flat Earth. I think you are going too far with this one.

Mikeman  the super agent...    yep,   that'll  fly.   

9/11 is  just another  dumbass conspiracy,   with zero credibility,  and despite being debunked over and over, there are still people who are suckered into the whole conspiracy mindset.   

Does it belong in flat earth,  probably not directly,  but it does shine some light on the flawed reasoning and sheer stupidity of conspiracy loonies.

Get a grip; you fool nobody.
3 towers, all steel framed all collapse into their own basements on the same day supposedly due to jet fuel fires. What a load of bullshit.
Your parting shot should be enough to tell anyone what you are. (In red).

So,  oh great and wise sceptimatic genius,  which one of the many loony conspiracies do you believe?     Or wait,  I bet  you think it  was a denspressure vortex?

It's not just a case of what I believe, it's a case of what I don't accept with official lines with many things.

One thing about this topic. None of us may know the exact truth of what really happened in terms of how we think it may have happened.
One thin g is certain though, which is the crux of the matter. It wasn't anything to do with what we are told to accept - so on that note, it's obvious it's going to be questioned, which it is and has been.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 01, 2015, 08:47:06 AM

Good! Then win my Heiwa € 1 000 000:- Challenge #1 (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) and show how the small, weak top C of any structure/skyscraper can crush the intact, big, much stronger bottom part A after e.g. a terrorist plane has tried to land in the interface C/A, shown live on TV!

It seems you have already failed to win the #2 Challenge after much discussion here on FES forum but maybe you have better luck now. There are plenty US experts and university professors claiming that C can crush A (after a terrorist landing between C and A) but strangely enough none have collected my € 1 000 000:- . I wonder why? Are they working for the terrorists?

Personally I have doubts, if top C really crushes bottom A as shown on all videos.

It seems that C just disappears first - it is being compressed and POUFF - it is not there anymore. Then there is A like a fountain or volcano just ejecting debris and smoke upwards/outwards - very impressive - but you wonder where the energy/forces come from. 

In my opinion all videos of the top down collapses are just trick films produced by Hollywood. I doubt any arab terrorists managed that.

The parts of the towers that fell and crushed the bottom part weigh over 100,000 tons.  I bet if you drop a 100,000 ton object on any skyscraper then it will collapse.  It's really not that supprising that it happened.

You should study my popular web site http://heiwaco.com . The density of the top part C was less than that of a bale of hay which cannot crush or colllapse anything, if you know about hay?

Do you suggest that some Arab terrorists dropped 100 000 tons of ? on the WTCs to destroy them. How could they do it?

Landing small planes?

You sound like a stupid US, white American, un-educated, poor, not rich, trying to impress, sexually harmed, seriously, terrorist. Anything is possible Hollywood style. If you do not agree, my agents will kill you, etc., garble nonsense.

Suggest you try to win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .

Why do you post at FES forum? Are you sexually mishandled?

You should study my popular web site http://heiwaco.com . The density of the top part C was less than that of a bale of hay which cannot crush or colllapse anything, if you know about hay?

Do you suggest that some Arab terrorists dropped 100 000 tons of ? on the WTCs to destroy them. How could they do it?

Landing small planes?

You sound like a stupid US, white American, un-educated, poor, not rich, trying to impress, sexually harmed, seriously, terrorist. Anything is possible Hollywood style. If you do not agree, my agents will kill you, etc., garble nonsense.

Suggest you try to win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .

Why do you post at FES forum? Are you sexually mishandled?

The top parts of the tower are what dropped.  They may have been low density but they still weighed over 100,000 tons because they are huge.  They fell a few floors and hot at an angle, that put a huge amount of stress in some central pillars which made them buckle.

There are more witnesses to that event then there are people who you have likely met in your entire life.  There is no way that the towers never collapsed especially considering that there have been absolutely no whistle blowers.

By the way, I found a video that I previously posted on this thread which shows a simple domino tower getting the bottom part crushed by the top after having it's side hit.  It was very similar to the WTC collapse.  Here it is again:
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So is that block tower collapse CGI?  I bet I could replicate it myself.  Your challenge is to prove that it's possible for such a collapse to happen and if a block tower can do it then surely it can happen.

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

Oh, thanks Mike, I've been looking for somewhere to debate 911 conspiracy theory on the internet for years, and haven't been able to find a thing.  Not a single thread where this is debated.   

Can this be moved out of the flat earth forum, as it's got fuck all to do with it and it will get very tedious very quickly.

We know how it will be  - morons like Yendor will trot out the same debunked crap that's on every thread about this shit, more sensible people will shoot each bit down and the annoying dance will go on and on without any resolution.

You just called me a moron? Them are fightin words.

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

What's so funny?  Is it the fact that your argument is as easy to collapse as that tower?  Because that is hilarious.

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 12:00:41 PM

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

What's so funny?  Is it the fact that your argument is as easy to collapse as that tower?  Because that is hilarious.

I shouldn't really do this but I will.

You show a video of a big ball crashing into stacked blocks that are not attached by any means, except resting on top of each other and you think this mimics the towers. 

You probably don't think this way and actually know it's all a load of crap but your persona is that of a mentally challenged  18 year old college kid that  had to be reminded it was his coming of age day by Papa Legba.

mikeman, do me a favour. Just stick to the other names you use. This one is getting embarrassing for you.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 12:06:50 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 12:00:41 PM

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

What's so funny?  Is it the fact that your argument is as easy to collapse as that tower?  Because that is hilarious.

I shouldn't really do this but I will.

You show a video of a big ball crashing into stacked blocks that are not attached by any means, except resting on top of each other and you think this mimics the towers. 

You probably don't think this way and actually know it's all a load of crap but your persona is that of a mentally challenged  18 year old college kid that  had to be reminded it was his coming of age day by Papa Legba.

mikeman, do me a favour. Just stick to the other names you use. This one is getting embarrassing for you.

What...he has another name?

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 12:34:16 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 12:06:50 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 12:00:41 PM

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

What's so funny?  Is it the fact that your argument is as easy to collapse as that tower?  Because that is hilarious.

I shouldn't really do this but I will.

You show a video of a big ball crashing into stacked blocks that are not attached by any means, except resting on top of each other and you think this mimics the towers. 

You probably don't think this way and actually know it's all a load of crap but your persona is that of a mentally challenged  18 year old college kid that  had to be reminded it was his coming of age day by Papa Legba.

mikeman, do me a favour. Just stick to the other names you use. This one is getting embarrassing for you.

What...he has another name?

Probably more than one. Most of them have more than one name.

The only other account I have is mikeman7919 that I created to discus an unfair ban and that account is perma-banned.  If you don't think I am who I say I am then I am ready and willing to do a live Skype video call with you or something.  My skype name is mikeman7918, I use that username all the time.  Just send me a contact request.

Seriously, this is a witch hunt.

Also, the same laws of physics apply to block towers and real towers.  Block towers may be unconnected but that is the best way to simulate the inherent proportional weakness of large objects on a small scale.  Weather it's a real building or a block building it's going to collapse if the top part falls on the bottom part.

Seriously, this is a witch hunt.

How is this a which hunt, you came to the flat earth forum to antagonise flat earthers,  flat earthers didn't hunt you down to antagonise you. what you are experiencing is not a witch hunt but the consequential stings associated with poking a hornets nest with a big fucking stick and now you're crying foul play. :'

New York is full of closely packed tall buildings, having a building collapse sideways and causing a serious domino effect would be bad. Perhaps tall buildings are designed to collapse vertically down if some sort of catastrophic failure to the structure occurs?

Quote from: hoppy on August 31, 2015, 03:19:40 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 31, 2015, 02:41:37 PM

Back in topic: if you believe that the WTC attack was anything other then what we are told then give me your evidence so I can debunk it.  Feel free to try to debunk my evidence if you can.

Do your own research, 3 skyscrapers fell on 9-11. Like someone else in the thread has stated, reporters announed WTC 7 has fallen while you can still see it in back of them. You think you are so smart, butyou just believe everything the man tells you. That ain't smart, it is stupid.

Also, suspiciously, they all fell at free fall speed and straight down.  Two of them were damaged from the top and fell at free fall speed straight down, and one was damaged on one side but still fell straight down and at free fall speed.  None of them leaned in the slightest when they came down.  Something that big will fall in the direction of least resistance. This is very suspicious.  Demolition crews have to spend a lot of time and effort to bring a building down straight, yet, magically, all three of these came straight down.  It is like winning the lotto 3 times in a row.

Larry Silverstein hit the lotto on the WTC crumbling down. He got payed $4.55 billion for WTC even though his insurance was for 3.55 b. The judge considered it 2 acts of terrorism and gave him more.

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 01, 2015, 12:00:41 PM

I'm crying with laughing at that video Mikeman put up. To all you sensible people out there...if this doesn't show you what mikeman is then nothing will.

I'm seriously laughing at this video. 

What's so funny?  Is it the fact that your argument is as easy to collapse as that tower?  Because that is hilarious.

Lol, typical liberal thinking. Cartoons and legos are proof.

The only other account I have is mikeman7919 that I created to discus an unfair ban and that account is perma-banned.  If you don't think I am who I say I am then I am ready and willing to do a live Skype video call with you or something.  My skype name is mikeman7918, I use that username all the time.  Just send me a contact request.

Seriously, this is a witch hunt.

Also, the same laws of physics apply to block towers and real towers.  Block towers may be unconnected but that is the best way to simulate the inherent proportional weakness of large objects on a small scale.  Weather it's a real building or a block building it's going to collapse if the top part falls on the bottom part.

My AQ test came back at 14. What was yours?

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:57 PM

The only other account I have is mikeman7919 that I created to discus an unfair ban and that account is perma-banned.  If you don't think I am who I say I am then I am ready and willing to do a live Skype video call with you or something.  My skype name is mikeman7918, I use that username all the time.  Just send me a contact request.

Seriously, this is a witch hunt.

Also, the same laws of physics apply to block towers and real towers.  Block towers may be unconnected but that is the best way to simulate the inherent proportional weakness of large objects on a small scale.  Weather it's a real building or a block building it's going to collapse if the top part falls on the bottom part.

My AQ test came back at 14. What was yours?

Mine came back as "Millionaire, Bugatti Veyron owner". Who knew?

New York is full of closely packed tall buildings, having a building collapse sideways and causing a serious domino effect would be bad. Perhaps tall buildings are designed to collapse vertically down if some sort of catastrophic failure to the structure occurs?

They probobaly would have tipped over if they were damaged ok the bottom, but the damage was on the top for both towers.  In any case they did damage a few other buildings in the World Trade Center complex like WTC 3 and WTC 7.

Honestly, we can debate the intricacies of physical observations for years.

What really matters is the cause. If 9/11 was an inside job, then presumably the people involved would get something from it: and they did. Increased strictness with security laws, etc: more power. Of course, that might just have been them taking advantage of events out of their control.
Other ways would have achieved it though. I think it is completely ridiculous to think that anyone would wire two buildings up with explosives, pray no one finds a trace of them for the several days it would presumably take to do in two major buildings, in complete secrecy, and then crash a plane into them. Why not just trigger the explosives independently and blame a suicide bomber?
If I was the head of an evil government, that's what I'd do. There'd be no debate on this topic at all, and it would probably be more terrifying. A plane crash is bad, but a building exploding with no reason? The lack of warning is the stuff of nightmares.

It's definitely possible that it is an inside job, but there was no controlled demolition.  Planes hitting into the twin towers is expected to cause what we saw.  It is possible that the U.S. government was responsible for the planes hitting the towers but unless they used a magical type of explosive that's silent, produces no deadly gasses, uses no elemental aluminum, and mwlts steel then explosives could not have been what brought the towers down.

mikeman just thinks he is smarter than everyone else because his rebuttals consist of videos that he saw on youtube.  lol.  Don't be so hard on the little guy.