Gravity is real, get over it

Quote from: Serulian on August 29, 2015, 11:45:32 AM

I appreciate both of your suggestions, but at the end of the day these are video games. Simulations that could be programmed with any physics the game designer wanted. Assuming that the probes safely reached Mercury and then were pulled into that planets orbit, how could these probes have stopped themselves from being pulled into the sun?

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

Exactly. How does it? Every moon, planet, satellite, and probe is conveniently always moving at the exact speed it needs to be to avoid being a victim of gravity. According to science gravity is the force that does whatever we need it to do.   

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 30, 2015, 02:04:09 AM

Quote from: Serulian on August 29, 2015, 11:45:32 AM

I appreciate both of your suggestions, but at the end of the day these are video games. Simulations that could be programmed with any physics the game designer wanted. Assuming that the probes safely reached Mercury and then were pulled into that planets orbit, how could these probes have stopped themselves from being pulled into the sun?

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

Exactly. How does it? Every moon, planet, satellite, and probe is conveniently always moving at the exact speed it needs to be to avoid being a victim of gravity. According to science gravity is the force that does whatever we need it to do.   

Yes, it does seem like a catch all excuse.  If a calculation does not work, all you have to do is sprinkle a little dark energy or dark matter onto the equation and voila, the equation works now.  lol

Haha

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 30, 2015, 02:04:09 AM

Quote from: Serulian on August 29, 2015, 11:45:32 AM

I appreciate both of your suggestions, but at the end of the day these are video games. Simulations that could be programmed with any physics the game designer wanted. Assuming that the probes safely reached Mercury and then were pulled into that planets orbit, how could these probes have stopped themselves from being pulled into the sun?

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

Exactly. How does it? Every moon, planet, satellite, and probe is conveniently always moving at the exact speed it needs to be to avoid being a victim of gravity. According to science gravity is the force that does whatever we need it to do.

Almost everything that wasn't moving at the right speed has already crashed into us or into the other planets. The rest are simply what was moving at the right speed. You know, kinda like natural selection.

It also has to do with the fact that it's not that hard at all for an object to have the right speed to get into an orbit. And no jroa, no dark energy is needed for any of the orbits of the planets etc.

Magnetism.  Duh. 

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

The magnetism between 3 magnetic objects (the earth, the sun and the moon) is a giant perpetual motion machine.  It is that simple.


Note to honest folks: 
Do not let the liars off the hook.  They are deliberately hiding the truth about torsional magnetic oscillation science so that the world can not understand what is obvious to plain sight. 

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 30, 2015, 02:04:09 AM

Quote from: Serulian on August 29, 2015, 11:45:32 AM

I appreciate both of your suggestions, but at the end of the day these are video games. Simulations that could be programmed with any physics the game designer wanted. Assuming that the probes safely reached Mercury and then were pulled into that planets orbit, how could these probes have stopped themselves from being pulled into the sun?

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

Exactly. How does it? Every moon, planet, satellite, and probe is conveniently always moving at the exact speed it needs to be to avoid being a victim of gravity. According to science gravity is the force that does whatever we need it to do.

You know when they say that its constantly falling? Well that's because it is. Objects in an orbit are falling just as fast as the planet curves away from it.
If the object is not going fast enough it will crash into the planet because it falls faster than the planet curves away from it.

It is technically rocket science but trust me, it is not that difficult to understand.

Magnetism.  Duh. 

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 30, 2015, 02:04:09 AM

How does the moon avoid being pulled into the Earth? 

The magnetism between 3 magnetic objects (the earth, the sun and the moon) is a giant perpetual motion machine.  It is that simple.


Note to honest folks: 
Do not let the liars off the hook.  They are deliberately hiding the truth about torsional magnetic oscillation science so that the world can not understand what is obvious to plain sight.

Uh... What? I mean, what? Are you drunk?

Exactly. How does it? Every moon, planet, satellite, and probe is conveniently always moving at the exact speed it needs to be to avoid being a victim of gravity. According to science gravity is the force that does whatever we need it to do.

Every moon and planet that was not moving at orbital velocity would have crashed long ago, so only the ones in orbit stick around.  Space probes are purposely accelerated to the exact velocity required which is known because it can easily be calculated.

In the site's FAQ it does say that the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2

To be fair, that's the same in a lot of ways (in all ways I can think of) as mass slightly attracting each other and the earth being so big relative to us that we're pulled towards it so as to create an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

In the site's FAQ it does say that the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2

To be fair, that's the same in a lot of ways (in all ways I can think of) as mass slightly attracting each other and the earth being so big relative to us that we're pulled towards it so as to create an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

Only there is something very, very important that flat earthers seem to miss: it is well known that the gravity isn't constant everywhere. And then there also is the Cavendish experiment, that no flat earther has ever managed to debunk, so they just ignore it.

Quote from: SisyphusTheElder on September 01, 2015, 06:10:19 AM

In the site's FAQ it does say that the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2

To be fair, that's the same in a lot of ways (in all ways I can think of) as mass slightly attracting each other and the earth being so big relative to us that we're pulled towards it so as to create an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

Only there is something very, very important that flat earthers seem to miss: it is well known that the gravity isn't constant everywhere. And then there also is the Cavendish experiment, that no flat earther has ever managed to debunk, so they just ignore it.

Gravity isn't constant everywhere because it is well known that the theory of gravity is full of holes. This fact is often overlooked by the pious disciples of mainstream science, because if the theory had no holes, it would work so brilliantly. 

I really don't know how any sane person accepts the theory of gravity as it is. Take this educational link from NASA for example:  http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/Why_Do_Astronauts_Float.html#.VeZIs_lViko


Things float in space because they are actually in a state of freefall. Are you kidding me?  Anyone with a brain can see they are not falling, in some cases they are even rising!

Does a balloon rise because it is falling?

Open your eyes people, common sense will tell you it doesn't add up.

I really don't know how any sane person accepts the theory of gravity as it is. Take this educational link from NASA for example:  http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/Why_Do_Astronauts_Float.html#.VeZIs_lViko


Things float in space because they are actually in a state of freefall. Are you kidding me?  Anyone with a brain can see they are not falling, in some cases they are even rising!

Does a balloon rise because it is falling?

Open your eyes people, common sense will tell you it doesn't add up.

Why do you feel the need to simplify complex ideas?

 I didn't simplify anything, I am just posting here what NASA says.

I didn't simplify anything, I am just posting here what NASA says.

And then didn't believe it because of "common sense".

Exactly. 

Exactly.

So yes, you are try to over simplify things.  If you were moving in a bus with no windows, everyone around you would seem like they are stationary. But we know, they are not.

If everything in the space station is falling, it will seem as if everything is stationary as well.  If you simplify complex ideas, they can seem wrong.

Quote from: Serulian on September 01, 2015, 06:34:45 PM

Exactly.

So yes, you are try to over simplify things.  If you were moving in a bus with no windows, everyone around you would seem like they are stationary. But we know, they are not.

If everything in the space station is falling, it will seem as if everything is stationary as well.  If you simplify complex ideas, they can seem wrong.

Some ideas are wrong.

In your example of the bus I would perceive everyone around me as stationary. I can agree with that.

Now when it comes to objects floating in space, please explain how I can know that they are falling and not floating. 

Quote from: sokarul on September 01, 2015, 06:44:21 PM

Quote from: Serulian on September 01, 2015, 06:34:45 PM

Exactly.

So yes, you are try to over simplify things.  If you were moving in a bus with no windows, everyone around you would seem like they are stationary. But we know, they are not.

If everything in the space station is falling, it will seem as if everything is stationary as well.  If you simplify complex ideas, they can seem wrong.

Some ideas are wrong.

In your example of the bus I would perceive everyone around me as stationary. I can agree with that.

Now when it comes to objects floating in space, please explain how I can know that they are falling and not floating.

You can't unless you can see the whole picture. That is why you don't want to simplify it.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on September 01, 2015, 02:51:13 PM

Quote from: SisyphusTheElder on September 01, 2015, 06:10:19 AM

In the site's FAQ it does say that the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2

To be fair, that's the same in a lot of ways (in all ways I can think of) as mass slightly attracting each other and the earth being so big relative to us that we're pulled towards it so as to create an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

Only there is something very, very important that flat earthers seem to miss: it is well known that the gravity isn't constant everywhere. And then there also is the Cavendish experiment, that no flat earther has ever managed to debunk, so they just ignore it.

Gravity isn't constant everywhere because it is well known that the theory of gravity is full of holes. This fact is often overlooked by the pious disciples of mainstream science, because if the theory had no holes, it would work so brilliantly. 

The acceleration down to earth not being constant everywhere actually means that it's not constant, which means that the Earth can't be accelerating upwards at a constant 9.8 m/s^2.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on September 01, 2015, 02:51:13 PM

Quote from: SisyphusTheElder on September 01, 2015, 06:10:19 AM

In the site's FAQ it does say that the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2

To be fair, that's the same in a lot of ways (in all ways I can think of) as mass slightly attracting each other and the earth being so big relative to us that we're pulled towards it so as to create an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

Only there is something very, very important that flat earthers seem to miss: it is well known that the gravity isn't constant everywhere. And then there also is the Cavendish experiment, that no flat earther has ever managed to debunk, so they just ignore it.

Gravity isn't constant everywhere because it is well known that the theory of gravity is full of holes. This fact is often overlooked by the pious disciples of mainstream science, because if the theory had no holes, it would work so brilliantly. 

No. You don't understand. The irregularity of gravity in different locations is PREDICTED by the theory of gravity. When you are on a mountain that is 5000 meters high and your friend is on sea level, he is closer to the center of gravity of Earth, so he experiences gravity more intensely. The difference is too little to be easily observable though. It's also known that since the radius of the earth on the equator is larger than its radius on the poles, combined with the (very slight) centrifugal acceleration experienced there, means that there is a slight difference in the acceleration of gravity compared to the poles. Then you've got the fact that the ground is full of caverns or denser minerals etc., which means that if you've got an accurate enough device, you can actually detect the resulted irregularities of the gravitational field.

Quote from: Master_Evar on August 25, 2015, 08:38:50 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 25, 2015, 08:34:01 AM

The moon goes around the Earth. If the theory of gravity were true, it would mean that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Do you see that happening? if gravity was working on the early Earth, then Earth's gravity would have caused Earth to have been bombarded out of existence with asteroids, meteors, comets, and other space junk being attracted to it. Then there is the question about tides. If the moon's "gravity" were responsible for a bulge underneath the water, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the Earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are two — not one — high tides every day.

Sun's gravitational pull on the moon is nothing compared to earth's gravitational pull on the moon. Sun has greater mass but also a ridiculously great distance to both the moon and the earth.

True, that's why the theory of gravity is untrue. The Sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The Sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it. With a mass that much larger than the Earth, common sense should tell you the moon should be orbiting the sun.

yes, this is indeed correct, if you forget that distance also has a lot to do with the strength of gravity on an object

And it does orbit the sun. It just "happens" to also orbit the earth. XaeXae posted a link to a very nice simulator. You might wanna check it out.

Quote from: Master_Evar on August 25, 2015, 08:38:50 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 25, 2015, 08:34:01 AM

The moon goes around the Earth. If the theory of gravity were true, it would mean that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Do you see that happening? if gravity was working on the early Earth, then Earth's gravity would have caused Earth to have been bombarded out of existence with asteroids, meteors, comets, and other space junk being attracted to it. Then there is the question about tides. If the moon's "gravity" were responsible for a bulge underneath the water, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the Earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are two — not one — high tides every day.

Sun's gravitational pull on the moon is nothing compared to earth's gravitational pull on the moon. Sun has greater mass but also a ridiculously great distance to both the moon and the earth.

True, that's why the theory of gravity is untrue. The Sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The Sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it. With a mass that much larger than the Earth, common sense should tell you the moon should be orbiting the sun.

Do you know what the theory of gravity is?