How time proves quantom mechnics

For all you flat earthers who think that quantum mechanics is a lie, here is proof that you are wrong.

You can all agree that time exists, correct?  I mean, not even flat earthers can deny the existence of time.  You can remember the past but you are clueless about the future, it's pretty basic.

All laws of physics do not depend on time going a certain direction.  Let's say you drop a glass of water and it breaks, and then you pause time.  If you were to reverse the velocities of all particles of glass, particles of water, and particles of air then when you resume time the glass will reassemble and fly back up into your hand.  The only law of physics that is irreversible is entropy, which states that everything always goes from order to disorder in a closed system.  In essence, disorder is information because it takes more information to specify the state of a messy room then it does for a clean room, and information can never be destroyed.

If entropy is increasing then where is all this information coming from?  The answer is quantum uncertainty and randomness.  It is why the future is uncertain.  If entropy AKA quantum uncertainty were to suddenly stop then the future would be just as evident as the past and time would cease to exist.

As was pointed out in "There is No Free Will" in PR&S, free will by randomness is not free will.

As was pointed out in "There is No Free Will" in PR&S, free will by randomness is not free will.

Ok, good point.  I edited that part out.

What if the big bang and everything happening in the big bang is like a cinema reel or video tape "film show". The observer can only experience the immediate present and record/remember/study the past. The future events in the film show would still be unknown. The observer could perhaps predict future probabilities according to what has happened in the film show up to the present moment. But the future could be totally fixed and unchangable and free will could be just an illusion. Even an observer thinking that they have free will could just be a part of the big bang film show. In other words everything that we think/believe/do/act is all just a part of the fixed and unchangable big bang. But this is probably more to do with philosophy than physics

What if the big bang and everything happening in the big bang is like a cinema reel or video tape "film show". The observer can only experience the immediate present and record/remember/study the past. The future events in the film show would still be unknown. The observer could perhaps predict future probabilities according to what has happened in the film show up to the present moment. But the future could be totally fixed and unchangable and free will could be just an illusion. Even an observer thinking that they have free will could just be a part of the big bang film show. In other words everything that we think/believe/do/act is all just a part of the fixed and unchangable big bang. But this is probably more to do with philosophy than physics

Unlike a movie though there is no mechanism that selects one moment over any itger to be played out.  According to relativity, time is a dimension much like space meaning that the past is just as real as the present which is just as real as the future.  We never experience more then a single moment at once.

Time is a hard subject to study because it can't be discribed without referring to it and the human mind can't imagine what it's like without it even though it's clearly just an illusion.  All we know about physics relies on time and in order to understand it we need a better understanding of how time works.

Time is not very well understood, but it's still science.  The question of free will however is philosophy.

I may be able to help you understand time, if you're interested. By necessity I know quite a bit about it.

One thing I will add though is to critique your mention of entropy. Entropy bears no relevance to information. Entropy increasing refers to one thing and one thing alone, and that is the transfer of energy: everything moves to equilibrium.
Is it called disorder in this time? That seems a very misleading term. Everything is moving towards complete equilibrium.

Quantum uncertainty simply results from what I believe is called the observer effect. To deduce the velocity or the position of a quantum particle, it must be struck with a photon: without that, observation is impossible. Normally the impact of a photon is negligible, but with another quantum particle, the effect is substantial, so the act of observing alters that which is being observed.
The future is set. Just because something cannot be predicted does not mean it is not set: the future is not a quantum event. Unobserved by anyone in the present, it still exists. (The present is a subjective concept).

I may be able to help you understand time, if you're interested. By necessity I know quite a bit about it.

One thing I will add though is to critique your mention of entropy. Entropy bears no relevance to information. Entropy increasing refers to one thing and one thing alone, and that is the transfer of energy: everything moves to equilibrium.
Is it called disorder in this time? That seems a very misleading term. Everything is moving towards complete equilibrium.

Quantum uncertainty simply results from what I believe is called the observer effect. To deduce the velocity or the position of a quantum particle, it must be struck with a photon: without that, observation is impossible. Normally the impact of a photon is negligible, but with another quantum particle, the effect is substantial, so the act of observing alters that which is being observed.
The future is set. Just because something cannot be predicted does not mean it is not set: the future is not a quantum event. Unobserved by anyone in the present, it still exists. (The present is a subjective concept).

Entropy is in fact information, information in it's purest form looks like randomness and disorder and that's what entropy is.  Everything does not go towards equilibrium, if that were true then the universe would be in equilibrium and not in the form of galaxies, stars, and planets and the universe as we know it would not exist, this would also make it possible to destroy information from the universe.  You are denying many well established laws of physics.

Entropy is in fact information, information in it's purest form looks like randomness and disorder and that's what entropy is.

I very much hope the science of your time does not state that everything is heading towards randomness and disorder. That does not make sense even conceptually. Randomness requires energy changing form in order to be maintained: energy cannot be created or destroyed, but without perfectly efficient transfers, much will become unusable. Further, the universe is expanding.

Everything does not go towards equilibrium, if that were true then the universe would be in equilibrium and not in the form of galaxies, stars, and planets and the universe as we know it would not exist

Why would that be true? Eventually there will be no galaxies or stars or planets, I would hope that is common knowledge. Simply put, we have not reached that stage yet. In a closed system, everything heads for equilibrium (which seems an absurd definition of 'disorder' as you put it, which I hope is why the term is not used in my time), but that doesn't mean it is impossible for things to move away from equilibrium within a certain part of the closed system, so long as in another part of the system, things move further towards equilibrium. For example, from the Big Bang, stars formed (with some wasted energy), and they are constantly releasing heat and light and all kinds of energy: getting closer to the time when they have burnt out. The energy they provide is what allows moves away from equilibrium on the planets that orbit them.
In time, however, there will be equilibrium.
A star wouldn't need to burn out, but it would need to take in as much energy as it gives out, clearly. That's equilibrium.

this would also make it possible to destroy information from the universe.  You are denying many well established laws of physics.

I honestly don't understand where your claims are coming from. Perpetual change is impossible. This does not really relate to destroying information, it's just as I said. You can't constantly be using energy to, for example, accelerate or de-accelerate matter. The energy must come from somewhere, and when the stars collapse and matter begins to fail, where would that energy come from?
Equilibrium is not perfect stillness, it is just balance.

Your talk of destroying information, while relevant, is however an interesting topic. There's a lot of discussion on it even in my time, once black holes and time travel were proven to exist. To go back in time, functionally whatever's sent is 'destroyed': the energy and information within a body would vanish from that time. However, it clearly wouldn't be destroyed: it would end up being 'created' in the past.
Further, when matter is consumed by a black hole, energy radiates from the hole; but as was seen in my time, the amount of energy that radiates before the hole collapses is the merest fraction of whatever amount of energy it takes in.
The point is simple. Information cannot be destroyed: but it can be moved. You need to view the system as a whole: all dimensions (in the black hole case) and all times. It isn't as simple as you say it is: then again, I suspect your understanding is incomplete. Disorder is an incoherent final state: you may be using out of date terminology (at best).

I very much hope the science of your time does not state that everything is heading towards randomness and disorder. That does not make sense even conceptually. Randomness requires energy changing form in order to be maintained: energy cannot be created or destroyed, but without perfectly efficient transfers, much will become unusable. Further, the universe is expanding.

Look up the second law of thermodynamics.  It is a law, and that title is not just given to anything.  Think about it: everything started out highly ordered in the big band, now everything is ordered in a really complex way, and in hundreds of billions of years the universe will just be particles flying around with maximum information where nothing will ever happen and time will essentially not exist.  Entropy is the only law of physics that distinguishes the future from the past, disorder/information is constantly being generated, the state of the universe can be used to determine the past but the future is uncertain.  The future contains more disorder/information then the present so it's impossible to determine even if you knew everything about the present.

Why would that be true? Eventually there will be no galaxies or stars or planets, I would hope that is common knowledge. Simply put, we have not reached that stage yet. In a closed system, everything heads for equilibrium (which seems an absurd definition of 'disorder' as you put it, which I hope is why the term is not used in my time), but that doesn't mean it is impossible for things to move away from equilibrium within a certain part of the closed system, so long as in another part of the system, things move further towards equilibrium. For example, from the Big Bang, stars formed (with some wasted energy), and they are constantly releasing heat and light and all kinds of energy: getting closer to the time when they have burnt out. The energy they provide is what allows moves away from equilibrium on the planets that orbit them.
In time, however, there will be equilibrium.
A star wouldn't need to burn out, but it would need to take in as much energy as it gives out, clearly. That's equilibrium.

The universe started in equilibrium and now we are in a dense planet surrounded by empty space, that doesn't sound like equilibrium to me.

I honestly don't understand where your claims are coming from. Perpetual change is impossible. This does not really relate to destroying information, it's just as I said. You can't constantly be using energy to, for example, accelerate or de-accelerate matter. The energy must come from somewhere, and when the stars collapse and matter begins to fail, where would that energy come from?
Equilibrium is not perfect stillness, it is just balance.

I agree.  According to entropy time as we know it will eventually come to an end in this universe.  There might be more universes that continue dying and being created where time continues to exist but here it will not.

Your talk of destroying information, while relevant, is however an interesting topic. There's a lot of discussion on it even in my time, once black holes and time travel were proven to exist. To go back in time, functionally whatever's sent is 'destroyed': the energy and information within a body would vanish from that time. However, it clearly wouldn't be destroyed: it would end up being 'created' in the past.
Further, when matter is consumed by a black hole, energy radiates from the hole; but as was seen in my time, the amount of energy that radiates before the hole collapses is the merest fraction of whatever amount of energy it takes in.
The point is simple. Information cannot be destroyed: but it can be moved. You need to view the system as a whole: all dimensions (in the black hole case) and all times. It isn't as simple as you say it is: then again, I suspect your understanding is incomplete. Disorder is an incoherent final state: you may be using out of date terminology (at best).

Think about this: imagine you have a CD that has no information on it and a CD full of information.  The empty CD has a flat surface while the CD with information on it is not.  If you look at a partially full CD you can tell which parts are written on and which parts are empty because it looks bit rougher where information is stored.  Basically the CD had it's disorder increased in order to store information.  Information that has been fully compressed is indistinguishable from a random string of numbers.  Information is disorder, and if information can be created and not destroyed then it follows that disorder always has to increase or stay the same in a closed system.

Look up the second law of thermodynamics.  It is a law, and that title is not just given to anything. 

I am not aware of how to look things up in this time, I apologize.
However, in my time the Second Law of Thermodynamics refers to the fact that, in a closed system, everything will tend towards equilibrium, rather than randomness or disorder. If, in your time, it says everything will move towards disorder, I hope you are referring to some archaic and unintuitive (to say the least) definition. Otherwise your science truly is mistaken.
Perhaps you could do some 'looking up'?

everything started out highly ordered in the big band

The big bang was, in a simplified sense, an explosion. Everything accelerated, heated up, melded: that kind of chaos (in the layperson's sense) seems very far from any definition of order. Certainly, it was far from equilibrium.

The universe started in equilibrium and now we are in a dense planet surrounded by empty space, that doesn't sound like equilibrium to me.

What is equilibrium to you? For me it is the absence of change: no acceleration, for example: stillness or a constant speed. How could the big bang be referred to as an equilibrium? I am hoping we are working from incomplete definitions.
Unless you are talking about the pre-big-bang state, but we don't know nearly enough to determine whether or not that is equilibrium.

Information is disorder, and if information can be created and not destroyed then it follows that disorder always has to increase or stay the same in a closed system.

For the coarseness to exist, energy must be exerted on it from an external source in order to make those marks: and each transfer of energy gives off some excess. A CD (though I do not know what they are) is not a closed system. You need to acknowledge whatever it is that makes these grooves in it.

A recent hypothesis suggests that the universe is infinite and therefore the Big Bang happened everywhere meaning that the universe was in perfect equilibrium.

Go to google.com and search "entropy" or "second law of thermodynamics".  It is defined as the degree of randomness of disorder and it always increases or stays the same in a closed system.  It's one of those laws like quantum mechanics and special repativity that is hard to wrap your head around before you really look into it.

How about this, try to give me one example of a closed system where disorder decreases.

A recent hypothesis suggests that the universe is infinite and therefore the Big Bang happened everywhere meaning that the universe was in perfect equilibrium.

Go to google.com and search "entropy" or "second law of thermodynamics".  It is defined as the degree of randomness of disorder and it always increases or stays the same in a closed system.  It's one of those laws like quantum mechanics and special repativity that is hard to wrap your head around before you really look into it.

How about this, try to give me one example of a closed system where disorder decreases.

Just because something happens everywhere does not mean there is equilibrium. Equilibrium is where all competing forces are balanced: if there is any, for example, acceleration, then forces are not balanced, even if the acceleration happens everywhere.

Thank you for informing me of how research may be done in this time. One of the earlier results lead me to something which seems to confirm what I suspected: you're still using very outdated terminology. Disorder is a very misleading term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(order_and_disorder)#Difficulties_with_the_term_.22disorder.22

Disorder to a layperson decreases in most systems. If you create a closed system with already-moving particles meeting resistance, you will end up either with stationary particles or oarticles moving at a constant speed: particles apparently moving in an ordered fashion. However, they will be at equilibrium.
This is expressed in the information I found above: "Technically, entropy, from this perspective, is defined as a thermodynamic property which serves as a measure of how close a system is to equilibrium — that is, to perfect internal disorder."
Perfect disorder would be predictable behavior. Forces would be balanced: this is not randomness.

Just because something happens everywhere does not mean there is equilibrium. Equilibrium is where all competing forces are balanced: if there is any, for example, acceleration, then forces are not balanced, even if the acceleration happens everywhere.

Thank you for informing me of how research may be done in this time. One of the earlier results lead me to something which seems to confirm what I suspected: you're still using very outdated terminology. Disorder is a very misleading term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(order_and_disorder)#Difficulties_with_the_term_.22disorder.22

Disorder to a layperson decreases in most systems. If you create a closed system with already-moving particles meeting resistance, you will end up either with stationary particles or oarticles moving at a constant speed: particles apparently moving in an ordered fashion. However, they will be at equilibrium.
This is expressed in the information I found above: "Technically, entropy, from this perspective, is defined as a thermodynamic property which serves as a measure of how close a system is to equilibrium — that is, to perfect internal disorder."
Perfect disorder would be predictable behavior. Forces would be balanced: this is not randomness.

So we were just using different terms for the same thing.  This means we are in a agreement right?

So we were just using different terms for the same thing.  This means we are in a agreement right?

Perhaps. It is very unclear how you can use terms like disorder and randomness in this context, however.

Just a minor addition: assuming the CPT theorem holds true the weak interaction is an example of a physical process that is not symmetric in time

For all you flat earthers who think that quantum mechanics is a lie, here is proof that you are wrong.

You can all agree that time exists, correct?  I mean, not even flat earthers can deny the existence of time.  You can remember the past but you are clueless about the future, it's pretty basic.

All laws of physics do not depend on time going a certain direction.  Let's say you drop a glass of water and it breaks, and then you pause time.  If you were to reverse the velocities of all particles of glass, particles of water, and particles of air then when you resume time the glass will reassemble and fly back up into your hand.  The only law of physics that is irreversible is entropy, which states that everything always goes from order to disorder in a closed system.  In essence, disorder is information because it takes more information to specify the state of a messy room then it does for a clean room, and information can never be destroyed.

If entropy is increasing then where is all this information coming from?  The answer is quantum uncertainty and randomness.  It is why the future is uncertain.  If entropy AKA quantum uncertainty were to suddenly stop then the future would be just as evident as the past and time would cease to exist.

For all you flat earthers who think that quantum mechanics is a lie, here is proof that you are wrong.

You can all agree that time exists, correct?  I mean, not even flat earthers can deny the existence of time.  You can remember the past but you are clueless about the future, it's pretty basic.

All laws of physics do not depend on time going a certain direction.  Let's say you drop a glass of water and it breaks, and then you pause time.  If you were to reverse the velocities of all particles of glass, particles of water, and particles of air then when you resume time the glass will reassemble and fly back up into your hand.  The only law of physics that is irreversible is entropy, which states that everything always goes from order to disorder in a closed system.  In essence, disorder is information because it takes more information to specify the state of a messy room then it does for a clean room, and information can never be destroyed.

If entropy is increasing then where is all this information coming from?  The answer is quantum uncertainty and randomness.  It is why the future is uncertain.  If entropy AKA quantum uncertainty were to suddenly stop then the future would be just as evident as the past and time would cease to exist.

Its a little more complicated then you have portrayed it as being . You seemed to of left out direction of temperature . Cold reclaiming when energy is not maintained or constant.

Its a little more complicated then you have portrayed it as being . You seemed to of left out direction of temperature . Cold reclaiming when energy is not maintained or constant.

What does this have to do with anything?