What is the point of the govt saying the earth is round?

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What is the point of the govt saying the earth is round?
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2006, 01:50:04 PM »
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How do you know this? Have you ever been there to examine it? Has anyone? Even if we accept the flatness of the earth and accept that gravity is due to the acceleration of the earth, that's still a long way from giving the cause of the acceleration being a solid blanket of dark matter. That's just one theory. And why is the dark matter accelerating anyways?


I subscribe to Dual Expansion theory of the universe's origin. Put simply, the UA is accelerating as a result of a "Big bang" of sorts.

No, I have never observed the UA. I apologize for my highly non-zetetic approach regarding this matter, but Round Earth scientists use theoretic science to the exclusion of all else, so I've allowed myself the same liberty in moderation.

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Also, if dark matter does exist, could it be that the government has figured out some way of extracting massive amounts of energy from it? If it's constantly accelerating the entire mass of the universe, it must violate conservation of energy (and rather badly), or store an infinite amount of energy, and so it might be possible to exploit this property for human use.


This seems like a good idea, but in UAT it's not just the Earth being pushed along - all matter in the universe is. I don't see how energy could be extracted from it since it's essentially just a huge moving wall pushing everything upwards by inertia.
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What is the point of the govt saying the earth is round?
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2006, 02:18:24 PM »
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I subscribe to Dual Expansion theory of the universe's origin. Put simply, the UA is accelerating as a result of a "Big bang" of sorts.

No, I have never observed the UA. I apologize for my highly non-zetetic approach regarding this matter, but Round Earth scientists use theoretic science to the exclusion of all else, so I've allowed myself the same liberty in moderation.

Unless you have some evidence for this theory, preferably in the form of predictions made and then confirmed, you should just think of it as one possible theory, and be open to others. Certainly you shouldn't conjecture properties of the UA that you have not observed and are not necessary for the theory. Perhaps it's not solid, but weblike or possessing some other structure that would allow it to serve as a universal accelerator while still allowing portions of the earth's underside to be accessible. The point is, we don't know.

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This seems like a good idea, but in UAT it's not just the Earth being pushed along - all matter in the universe is.

But as I said above, who knows what properties it might have?
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I don't see how energy could be extracted from it since it's essentially just a huge moving wall pushing everything upwards by inertia.

It can't be pushing the Earth due to it's own inertia. It can't be moving by inertia at all, because in order to be a universal accelerator, it must be accelerating!
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2006, 02:23:17 PM »
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Unless you have some evidence for this theory, preferably in the form of predictions made and then confirmed, you should just think of it as one possible theory, and be open to others. Certainly you shouldn't conjecture properties of the UA that you have not observed and are not necessary for the theory. Perhaps it's not solid, but weblike or possessing some other structure that would allow it to serve as a universal accelerator while still allowing portions of the earth's underside to be accessible. The point is, we don't know.


Occam's Razor at work here. It seems to be pushing us upwards by intertia in the same manner as a solid object, why should we suspect it to be weblike or any other way? Especially with even less evidence than for it being solid or solid-like.

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But as I said above, who knows what properties it might have?


Nobody, this is theoretical conjecture (not quite in the traditional spirit of Zetetic FE science, but hey, this is the 21st century).

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It can't be pushing the Earth due to it's own inertia. It can't be moving by inertia at all, because in order to be a universal accelerator, it must be accelerating!


What I mean is that inertia stops the Earth just falling through. The UA does not move via inertia, the Earth does.
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2006, 02:41:29 PM »
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Occam's Razor at work here. It seems to be pushing us upwards by intertia in the same manner as a solid object, why should we suspect it to be weblike or any other way? Especially with even less evidence than for it being solid or solid-like.

Occam's razor tells us to not assume anything about it we don't need to assume. I'm not saying we should assume that it's weblike, but we shouldn't assume it's solid either. We should be open to many different possibilities as to it's natures, and make as few assumptions as necessary for it to behave as needed. It can still push the earth even if it's not a solid object, so we should simply accept the fact that we know little about it.
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2006, 10:51:01 PM »
I'm sure you guys invented the whole FE theory  using nothing but Occams Razor.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2006, 01:11:24 PM »
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I'm sure you guys invented the whole FE theory  using nothing but Occams Razor.


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THE term Zetetic is derived from the Greek verb Zeteo; which means to search, or examine; to proceed only by inquiry; to take nothing for granted, but to trace phenomena to their immediate and demonstrable causes. It is here used in contradistinction from the word "theoretic," the meaning of which is, speculative--imaginary--not tangible,--scheming, but not proving.
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What is the point of the govt saying the earth is round?
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2006, 06:03:22 PM »
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THE term Zetetic is derived from the Greek verb Zeteo; which means to search, or examine; to proceed only by inquiry; to take nothing for granted, but to trace phenomena to their immediate and demonstrable causes. It is here used in contradistinction from the word "theoretic," the meaning of which is, speculative--imaginary--not tangible,--scheming, but not proving


Very far from FE.
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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What is the point of the govt saying the earth is round?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2006, 09:23:55 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
THE term Zetetic is derived from the Greek verb Zeteo; which means to search, or examine; to proceed only by inquiry; to take nothing for granted, but to trace phenomena to their immediate and demonstrable causes. It is here used in contradistinction from the word "theoretic," the meaning of which is, speculative--imaginary--not tangible,--scheming, but not proving.


Get a telescope.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0