What we expect to see on a round Earth

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 02:14:19 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 15, 2015, 11:27:02 AM

By the way, you still haven't pointer out where I "manipulated numbers to get a desired result".  Math works, and math shows that what we see is what we expect on a round Earth.  Deal with it.

It is this comment alone that proves beyond a doubt how dumb you really are.

Argument with scientific basis, responded by something like "wow, you're so dumb" instead of a proper argument. Seems like a troll-like behavior... I'm beginning to suspect that there is actually no real FE believer in the debate section of this forum.

I'm sure you are not alone in your suspicions about any real true flat earth believers on this forum. Years ago there was an old radio program called "It Pays To Be Ignorant." I think this forum trumps the old radio program.

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 06:57:57 PM

This is why you are dumb, you think I am accusing you of manipulating math.
You have not manipulated the math. You do not understand what you are applying it to.
Just like the Freidwalde equation for determining heart disease. Same, same.

So you agree that I am not manipulating my math and that math shows that we expect to see exactally what we do see on a round Earth?  Great.

Absolutely correct! This is what you would see on a round earth. Congratulations.
Problem is the earth is not round. You have math to fit a round earth, and you are Mr repetition, repetition, memory, repetition, memory, repetition very good boy you passed and here is your certificate.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 15, 2015, 07:03:16 PM

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 06:57:57 PM

This is why you are dumb, you think I am accusing you of manipulating math.
You have not manipulated the math. You do not understand what you are applying it to.
Just like the Freidwalde equation for determining heart disease. Same, same.

So you agree that I am not manipulating my math and that math shows that we expect to see exactally what we do see on a round Earth?  Great.

Absolutely correct! This is what you would see on a round earth. Congratulations.
Problem is the earth is not round. You have math to fit a round earth, and you are Mr repetition, repetition, memory, repetition, memory, repetition very good boy you passed and here is your certificate.

We have math that supports a round Earth, and we have experience to back it up.

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 07:52:06 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 15, 2015, 07:03:16 PM

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 06:57:57 PM

This is why you are dumb, you think I am accusing you of manipulating math.
You have not manipulated the math. You do not understand what you are applying it to.
Just like the Freidwalde equation for determining heart disease. Same, same.

So you agree that I am not manipulating my math and that math shows that we expect to see exactally what we do see on a round Earth?  Great.

Absolutely correct! This is what you would see on a round earth. Congratulations.
Problem is the earth is not round. You have math to fit a round earth, and you are Mr repetition, repetition, memory, repetition, memory, repetition very good boy you passed and here is your certificate.

We have math that supports a round Earth, and we have experience to back it up.

I like how you say "we", take a look around you are actually sitting there on your own.

Absolutely correct! This is what you would see on a round earth. Congratulations.
Problem is the earth is not round. You have math to fit a round earth, and you are Mr repetition, repetition, memory, repetition, memory, repetition very good boy you passed and here is your certificate.

Every other scenario equivalently exhibits exact ally what we expect on a round Earth while flat Earth geometry has made no advancements since the first flat earther decided to say that geometry is a lie and that math can be manipulated to prove anything.  No flat earthers have made even one mathematical prediction that can be tested, meaning that flat Earth theory is about as scientific as the Salem witch trials, except it's more like the forum shill trials.

Speaking of testable mathematical predictions, my math shows that if you were on top of a mountain or just really high up the horizon would be below eye level enough that you could easily measure it with a level.  In fact: I am going to set up a thread organizing such an experiment very soon because that's a good idea.

I like how you say "we", take a look around you are actually sitting there on your own.

Since when did a person have to be in the room with you for the word "we" to describe them?  I believe he is referring to the rest of the round earthers who, like the flat earthers, are scattered all across the globe.

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 07:52:06 PM

Absolutely correct! This is what you would see on a round earth. Congratulations.
Problem is the earth is not round. You have math to fit a round earth, and you are Mr repetition, repetition, memory, repetition, memory, repetition very good boy you passed and here is your certificate.

Every other scenario equivalently exhibits exact ally what we expect on a round Earth while flat Earth geometry has made no advancements since the first flat earther decided to say that geometry is a lie and that math can be manipulated to prove anything.  No flat earthers have made even one mathematical prediction that can be tested, meaning that flat Earth theory is about as scientific as the Salem witch trials, except it's more like the forum shill trials.

Speaking of testable mathematical predictions, my math shows that if you were on top of a mountain or just really high up the horizon would be below eye level enough that you could easily measure it with a level.  In fact: I am going to set up a thread organizing such an experiment very soon because that's a good idea.

Quote from: tappet on August 15, 2015, 11:29:36 PM

I like how you say "we", take a look around you are actually sitting there on your own.

Since when did a person have to be in the room with you for the word "we" to describe them?  I believe he is referring to the rest of the round earthers who, like the flat earthers, are scattered all across the globe.

Funny how the FEer does not constantly claim "we" as it seems the REer needs herd backing.
I have noticed that of the people I know 99% of them would be REers and yet all of them believe in some sort of conspiracy from the trivial to the bizarre. When you look at this forum not one REer believes  any conspiracies exist, which I find odd.
Is it the case this forum only attracts the group of RE wackos such as yourself?

If the Earth is flat, you should see no curvature at the horizon.

You also might not notice curvature at the horizon if you are standing at ground level on a round Earth of maybe 25,000 miles around give or take. Especially when looking through a camera, which limits your angle of view.

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:46:44 PM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2015, 11:31:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:12:46 PM

Your math means nothing to me. At 17 years of age you have no experience with reality you are in a virtual world. I have seen many changes in horizon distance on the ocean for decades longer than you have been alive.
But I do expect after your response to add "extensive experience at sea" to your resume. LOL.

So,  in your decades of experience,  why does your distance to the horizon change?

Don't know, just does.

Lol, you're not very bright, are you?

He's still trying to work out where he can buy a south pointing compass.

Funny how the FEer does not constantly claim "we" as it seems the REer needs herd backing.
I have noticed that of the people I know 99% of them would be REers and yet all of them believe in some sort of conspiracy from the trivial to the bizarre. When you look at this forum not one REer believes  any conspiracies exist, which I find odd.
Is it the case this forum only attracts the group of RE wackos such as yourself?

Actually I do believe in a conspiracy.  There is definitely fishy stuff going on with the givernment but unlike you I don't jump to conclusions.

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 12:07:50 AM

Funny how the FEer does not constantly claim "we" as it seems the REer needs herd backing.
I have noticed that of the people I know 99% of them would be REers and yet all of them believe in some sort of conspiracy from the trivial to the bizarre. When you look at this forum not one REer believes  any conspiracies exist, which I find odd.
Is it the case this forum only attracts the group of RE wackos such as yourself?

Actually I do believe in a conspiracy.  There is definitely fishy stuff going on with the givernment but unlike you I don't jump to conclusions.

"Fishy" You just confirmed what I suspected.  Of the billions of REers that believe in conspiracy theories this website attracts a handful of RE nut jobs that do not believe conspiracies exist. They  come to this forum to accuse the FEer he is a wacko  because he has noticed something does not fit.
I wonder, do you also stalk other forums looking for conspiracy theorists to set straight?

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 15, 2015, 03:17:08 AM

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:46:44 PM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2015, 11:31:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:12:46 PM

Your math means nothing to me. At 17 years of age you have no experience with reality you are in a virtual world. I have seen many changes in horizon distance on the ocean for decades longer than you have been alive.
But I do expect after your response to add "extensive experience at sea" to your resume. LOL.

So,  in your decades of experience,  why does your distance to the horizon change?

Don't know, just does.

Lol, you're not very bright, are you?

He's still trying to work out where he can buy a south pointing compass.

Maybe I could talk to the man from china and have him mass produce them for me.
Then make lots of money selling them as a novelty item.

"Fishy" You just confirmed what I suspected.  Of the billions of REers that believe in conspiracy theories this website attracts a handful of RE nut jobs that do not believe conspiracies exist. They  come to this forum to accuse the FEer he is a wacko  because he has noticed something does not fit.
I wonder, do you also stalk other forums looking for conspiracy theorists to set straight?

You noticed something that you thought was amiss and without doing any further research yo assumed it was a conspiracy when in fact it has a perfectly reasonable explanation.  Some tiny piece of ambiguous evidence can make someone a flat earther while sunsets, seeing the ISS, knowing how impossible faking space travel is, ect is not enough to make them see that they are mistaken.

And no, I am not on any other conspiracy theory forums.  This one has enough entertainment value for a lifetime.

Maybe I could talk to the man from china and have him mass produce them for me.
Then make lots of money selling them as a novelty item.

I again remind you that all compasses point south, and all you have to do to make a normal compass look like it's pointing south is to change the colors of the needle so the white part is painted red and the red part is painted white.  It won't really be a novelty item because literally every other compass ever made can do the same thing.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 16, 2015, 09:37:03 AM

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 12:07:50 AM

Funny how the FEer does not constantly claim "we" as it seems the REer needs herd backing.
I have noticed that of the people I know 99% of them would be REers and yet all of them believe in some sort of conspiracy from the trivial to the bizarre. When you look at this forum not one REer believes  any conspiracies exist, which I find odd.
Is it the case this forum only attracts the group of RE wackos such as yourself?

Actually I do believe in a conspiracy.  There is definitely fishy stuff going on with the givernment but unlike you I don't jump to conclusions.

"Fishy" You just confirmed what I suspected.  Of the billions of REers that believe in conspiracy theories this website attracts a handful of RE nut jobs that do not believe conspiracies exist. They  come to this forum to accuse the FEer he is a wacko  because he has noticed something does not fit.
I wonder, do you also stalk other forums looking for conspiracy theorists to set straight?

"Conspiracies" is a very broad term. Depends on what you call a "conspiracy".

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on August 15, 2015, 03:17:08 AM

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:46:44 PM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2015, 11:31:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on August 14, 2015, 11:12:46 PM

Your math means nothing to me. At 17 years of age you have no experience with reality you are in a virtual world. I have seen many changes in horizon distance on the ocean for decades longer than you have been alive.
But I do expect after your response to add "extensive experience at sea" to your resume. LOL.

So,  in your decades of experience,  why does your distance to the horizon change?

Don't know, just does.

Lol, you're not very bright, are you?

Obviously not. But look how smart you are.

I'm not the one who the horizon "changes" for no reason whatsoever or that you can have a compass that only points north or only points south.

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 02:42:39 PM

"Fishy" You just confirmed what I suspected.  Of the billions of REers that believe in conspiracy theories this website attracts a handful of RE nut jobs that do not believe conspiracies exist. They  come to this forum to accuse the FEer he is a wacko  because he has noticed something does not fit.
I wonder, do you also stalk other forums looking for conspiracy theorists to set straight?

And no, I am not on any other conspiracy theory forums.  This one has enough entertainment value for a lifetime.

Its just that a lot of your posts refer to conspiracies, of which the majority  are propagated by REers on this earth.
You then distance yourself from the conspiracies and accuse the FEer of being the nutter.
It is becoming very clear who the nutter really is.

Its just that a lot of your posts refer to conspiracies, of which the majority  are propagated by REers on this earth.
You then distance yourself from the conspiracies and accuse the FEer of being the nutter.
It is becoming very clear who the nutter really is.

What are you talking about?  I used to be a conspiracy theorist who believed that the twin tower attack was an inside job, that the Moon landing was likely faked, that climate change was a lie, and stuff like that.  I then saw through the BS and realized that I had to see both sides before I could be objective.  If I were really distancing myself from conspiracy theories then I wouldn't be on this forum.  A few years ago if you presented FET to me I might have taken it seriously but I've since learned so much about math, science, and how to sniff out a logical fallacy from a mile away.

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 03:32:48 PM

Its just that a lot of your posts refer to conspiracies, of which the majority  are propagated by REers on this earth.
You then distance yourself from the conspiracies and accuse the FEer of being the nutter.
It is becoming very clear who the nutter really is.

What are you talking about?  I used to be a conspiracy theorist who believed that the twin tower attack was an inside job, that the Moon landing was likely faked, that climate change was a lie, and stuff like that.  I then saw through the BS and realized that I had to see both sides before I could be objective.  If I were really distancing myself from conspiracy theories then I wouldn't be on this forum.  A few years ago if you presented FET to me I might have taken it seriously but I've since learned so much about math, science, and how to sniff out a logical fallacy from a mile away.

From what you have just said it is crystal clear to the reader that you have been to room 101 and believe there are no conspiracies.
Nutter!!!!!!!!!

From what you have just said it is crystal clear to the reader that you have been to room 101 and believe there are no conspiracies.
Nutter!!!!!!!!!

I'm a nutter for once considering that there are a bunch of conspiracies everywhere and that you can't trust anyone?  I have to agree with that, I don't know what I was thinking.

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 03:57:02 PM

From what you have just said it is crystal clear to the reader that you have been to room 101 and believe there are no conspiracies.
Nutter!!!!!!!!!

I'm a nutter for once considering that there are a bunch of conspiracies everywhere and that you can't trust anyone?  I have to agree with that, I don't know what I was thinking.

Still digging!

Still digging!

I fail to see how this is in any way coherent.

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 04:16:15 PM

Still digging!

I fail to see how this is in any way coherent.

Tappet is trying to derail the thread again. He can't properly answer the question, so he uses ad hominem and personal attacks to throw the thread off track.
I will restate the question for the nth time:
Assuming that the earth is flat, what would be observed on a round Earth that is not observed in reality?

Quote from: tappet on August 16, 2015, 03:57:02 PM

From what you have just said it is crystal clear to the reader that you have been to room 101 and believe there are no conspiracies.
Nutter!!!!!!!!!

I'm a nutter for once considering that there are a bunch of conspiracies everywhere and that you can't trust anyone?  I have to agree with that, I don't know what I was thinking.

Hi Mikeman,   

You can pretty much ignore tappet,  he's just trolling for the most part,   like the South pointing compass thing  ( LOL! )   but he seems serious about conspiracies,  and optical illusions.

Everyone knows that people can in fact lie,  and conspire with others.   Some people steal and try to trick or defraud others,   Would you trust a real estate agent or a used car salesman,   you  have to be aware and don't just accept what people tell you at face value,   that doesn't mean everyone is a crook, or that all authority is part of a conspiracy,  there are good honest people in the world and there are crooks, and everything in between.  Part of learning about life is how to tell one from the other.   You develop a gut feeling about people that comes from experience.

The ones who are really bad at identifying the crooks are the ones who end up believing everyone is out to get them,  and governments are all part of some gigantic shadowy conspiracy.   Some of those end up
as paranoid delusionals on flat earth forums.   

Most conspiracies are just peoples over-active imaginations and unfounded suspicions,   but there are real conspiracies as well,  politicians covering up corruption and criminal activity,  governments with their espionage departments and dirty tricks campaigns,  criminal conspiracies like the Mafia, and drug gangs.   

One thing they all have in common, is that sooner or later the conspiracy becomes public knowledge.

Yeah, I know that conspiracies happen.  I just advocate using logic and not jumping to conclusions.

Yeah, I know that conspiracies happen.  I just advocate using logic and not jumping to conclusions.

You claim to know now that conspiracies happen, could you give us a couple of examples?

Snowden, for one.

(And here comes Legba, saying this is proof I'm an alt.)

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 16, 2015, 09:46:02 PM

Yeah, I know that conspiracies happen.  I just advocate using logic and not jumping to conclusions.

You claim to know now that conspiracies happen, could you give us a couple of examples?

I repeat, I don't jump to conclusions.  I am not going to make up a bunch of crap and call it fact, and since I am not in in any conspiracies I can't say for sure what they are.  Whatever is going on it's small enough to eliminate whistle blowers.

Most of the conspiracy like stuff going on probobaly just failures of the system, like how the people who try to make the USA earn cash by selling food are the same people who recommend what to eat.

Hillary Clinton's e-mails? The Benghazi coverup? NSA spying on Americans (and foreigners?) These are all active conspiracies. But there is no conspiracy to hide the flatness of the Earth, because the Earth is round.

Another author has said that conspiracy theories are developed by persons who cannot believe that things just  happen. Or in the case of flat earth by persons who just can't  believe the earth is not a flat disc. Or that things are just as they are.

, like how the people who try to make the USA earn cash by selling food are the same people who recommend what to eat.

It is quite hard to debate with you when you constantly write things like this.
What does "people who try to make the USA earn cash" mean?

Hillary Clinton's e-mails? The Benghazi coverup? NSA spying on Americans (and foreigners?) These are all active conspiracies. But there is no conspiracy to hide the flatness of the Earth, because the Earth is round.

Mikeman reckons your making up a bunch of crap, I think I agree with him.