Apparently Light=Sound now

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #300 on: August 12, 2015, 04:30:30 PM »
Think of it in terms of heart function.
When death occurs?It occurs when the heart stopsits beating(and with the heart the lung function
is being stopped because breathing power comes from the heart)

When heart stops its pump,that means it stops its resistance power,because what heart does is
being in a continuous state of pushing .
Heart pushes and is being pushed in a continuous pressure and when it cant push anymore
the body dies.
The body lives on resistance and when the heart cant resist,physical death occurs.
Yep, a good way to look at it.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #301 on: August 12, 2015, 05:11:08 PM »
Sock-arul; SOCK-arul. SOCK-arul; SOCK-arul; SOCK-arul; SOCK-arul; SOCK-arul...


lol.



& STFU 'mikeman'/markjo/m-people/etc: nobody cares what you meant or thought or said or anything at all, ever...

Because YOU DON'T EXIST FFS!!!

So just leave it out, disinfo thing...

Just LMFAO - at YOU!!!
Why are you laughing? You claimed vacuum pumps do nothing.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #302 on: August 12, 2015, 05:14:21 PM »
I know what you guys mean. I'm going at it with a bunch on the general forum  right now. For a bunch of people who claim they know everything about everything, i'm discovering they know nothing about electronics. I show them proof with pictures and the still they don't grasp it. They all try to gang up and come up with dumb reasons why I'm wrong. when I first came to this site I was almost afraid to speak up because I thought all these people where so much smarter then me. Now I believe the REers are not so smart after all. They seem not to use their brain much and they only know what we were all taught in school. They like calling names and trying to humiliate people, but that to me is just a sign of weakness. God help us if all the physicists are dumb as these guys.
You know, Yendor...it's a simple case of intimidation by mass opinion. It takes a smart person to go up against it and not crack.

The classic example of parrots, parroting the same type of words. Let's be clear on this. If you can stamp your foot at a closing down sale queue consisting of many of these people...the so called smart, rational people...you create bedlam. You create a mass hair pulling and eye poking free for all...then guess what happens?

Once these people have had their frenzy and got what they wanted, they turn the tables and blame the real smart people. Those who chose not to kick a woman in the face to relieve her of her toaster or TV.

The intimidators' get to intimidate and gain on the minority, because of one thing and one thing only. That thing is called unconditional support of the official way. To see that it's done. To follow protocol. To never question what's been fed unless invited to.
For that they get to be called "scientists."

Go and try to talk to a scientist and dare to question just one thing. Ask about that one thing and you'll see a forehead elevation and a smile come at you. Go into questioning mode and that forehead becomes crinkled and then you are labelled a nutcase.
Get irate over it and you are labelled irrational and unstable and should be locked up. If they become irate, it because we provoked them and demeaned their work, which deserves a punch in the face, LEGALLY. Hit back and your next attempt is from a cocoon of a straight jacket.  ;D

Intimidation by mass. If the masses aren't there. "Invent them," as Papa said.

I admire those that dare to say what's on their mind and to fight their own corner and believe in what they're saying against that intimidation technique.
Fight fire with fire but always stay burning with energy. Be that candle on the cake that just won't blow out no matter how many people try to blow on it. Do this and you render most of them mute and in time, some of them actually using their own brains without looking up at the masses for acknowledgement.

We all know we are being bullshitted in many things. We actually really know it. It's not a loop the loop  set of tin foil hat conspiracies.
The people who throw the ridiculous theories at us all aren't chuckling at us. They are chuckling at those that unconditionally believe it all. They are sat there (probably  right now) just taking turns in thinking up the most preposterous garbage and taking turns to spew it out to see how far human gullibility can stretch.

We are being played for our bodies and minds.
More fiction writing. You know there is other places where they would enjoy your sci-fi more than here?
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #303 on: August 12, 2015, 05:24:27 PM »
No, sokarul. What you adhere to in many cases of what we are dealing with, is sci-fi told and sold to you in schools and colleges.
I'm dealing with my new word of sci-pro...it's science probability.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #304 on: August 12, 2015, 05:45:08 PM »
Why does lead absorb and emit an electromagnetic wavelength of 283.3 nm?

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #305 on: August 12, 2015, 09:06:20 PM »
No, sokarul. What you adhere to in many cases of what we are dealing with, is sci-fi told and sold to you in schools and colleges.
I'm dealing with my new word of sci-pro...it's science probability.
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« Reply #306 on: August 12, 2015, 10:20:47 PM »
Ok,  who left the cage unlocked?   I see Papa Legba has been shitting all over the thread again.    Sceptimatic is going to have to clean all that up.   I'm still mopping up after Yendor's ignorant crap.

Now that the housekeeping is in order,   here is today's  question for scepti,   since scepti says that light is the result of sound,   how do LED lights work.   There is no vibration,  no friction,  just lots of light.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #307 on: August 13, 2015, 04:05:17 AM »
No, sokarul. What you adhere to in many cases of what we are dealing with, is sci-fi told and sold to you in schools and colleges.
I'm dealing with my new word of sci-pro...it's science probability.
Sci-pro


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  ;D ;D ;D

You sir made my day!
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #308 on: August 13, 2015, 04:20:55 AM »

If I said an  antenna can pick up sounds like a microphone, I was wrong for saying that. I don't remember saying it, but that's beside the point. Antennas do NOT pick up sound like a microphone, period. Microphones produce vibrations the same as a speaker, they work the same. The mechanics or how they are made may be different, but the end result is the same. An antenna picks up frequency waves. All antennas are made to receive or transmit waves of certain frequencies.
Ok, so we are at an agreement, antennas pick up EM radiation and microphones pick up sound pressure waves.
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Anytime something vibrates friction is produced and when friction is produced a sound is made. If the sound is in the audible frequency range then a person can hear it. Any frequency can move things if they are connected to something that can vibrate, like a speaker for example. The speaker moves the molecules in the atmosphere, thus causing other things to move also.
If something small like an atom vibrates, it may not hit anything thus not creating a sound. How you are using vibration and friction just remember that energy is required to cause the vibrations and overcome friction.

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audible frequencies are no more pressure waves then light is. They are both vibrations at just different frequencies. Why can't you see that?
Why did you just say that antennas pick up EM radiation and microphones pick up sound if you then claim they are the same? If they were the same then antennas could pick up sound. You also claimed that the speaker vibrates and creates a pressure wave. Air molecules in sound waves don't propagate. EM waves do. They are not similar at all. Why can't you see this even though you agree they are different?

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I'm not blindly following someone anymore then you following the bow tie wearing professors in the college you went to.
You are forgetting all the experiments and real world observations. You have nothing. I have evidence. I'm not blindly following anyone.

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The audible frequency can be transmitted just like so called radio waves.
Yes, I own a radio.


I said - audible frequencies are no more pressure waves then light is. They are both vibrations at just different frequencies. Why can't you see that?

You said - Why did you just say that antennas pick up EM radiation and microphones pick up sound if you then claim they are the same? If they were the same then antennas could pick up sound. You also claimed that the speaker vibrates and creates a pressure wave. Air molecules in sound waves don't propagate. EM waves do. They are not similar at all. Why can't you see this even though you agree they are different?

Read again what I said.
I said - audible frequencies (20 to 20,000 Hz). I'm saying any frequency, audible or radio frequencies can produce  a pressure wave if it is connected to something that can vibrate with enough force to move columns of air. A speaker would work if it was designed to vibrate at high frequencies. I admit it would take a special speaker because most everyday speakers are designed to work at audible frequencies. Do you understand what I mean. So, when they say radio waves are electromagnetic and audible waves are pressure waves , they are not correct.

Because light isn't a pressure wave. If it was a pressure wave, it would move at the same speed as sound. If it was a pressure wave and you were moving as fast as sound, you would be moving as fast as light. If it was a pressure wave, it wouldn't be able to travel through a vacuum. It's actually impossible for any sound with a wave length under I think 0.2 microns to exist in the atmosphere. Ultraviolet light has a wavelength way smaller than that. It's a dumb theory. It makes no sense. Just... Stop.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #309 on: August 13, 2015, 04:22:52 AM »
Yendor, humans can hear from about 20Hz to 20kHz. 40-80Hz are well within the range of hearing of humans, but 20.000kHz is just ridiculous.

What you say makes no sense to me. Please elaborate.

What exactly makes no sense? It makes perfect sense to me.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #310 on: August 13, 2015, 04:52:09 AM »
Ok,  who left the cage unlocked?   I see Papa Legba has been shitting all over the thread again.    Sceptimatic is going to have to clean all that up.   I'm still mopping up after Yendor's ignorant crap.

Now that the housekeeping is in order,   here is today's  question for scepti,   since scepti says that light is the result of sound,   how do LED lights work.   There is no vibration,  no friction,  just lots of light.
It seems a waste of time to actually play with people like you because your mind is focused on resistance to basics.
I'm well aware that you can cite many things that appear way out of scope for most people. It can sort of skirt around the reality with a slight of hand, like using this LED as some form of argument to say vibration/friction isn't present.
I'd  be irritated if I wasn't laughing.

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #311 on: August 13, 2015, 04:56:01 AM »
Ugh... You are so stupid...
This seems to be protocol for your robotic people.  ;D

First of all, the speed of sound is clearly slower than the speed of light. Agreed?
The speed of sound doesn't have a set constant speed, it's just made out that way. There is no such thing as the speed of light. Light is merely a reflection of sound or a manifestation of vibration that makes sound that makes light be frequency change.

OK. Let's move on. As you may notice in a pond, no matter what the wavelength and the frequency of the ripples is, it doesn't change how fast they propagate, so how can light move that much faster than sound just because it has a different frequency?
You've seen a Newtons cradle, right?
You've seen one ball hit another and yet the end ball moves almost immediately, yet falls back and makes the first ball react almost immediately. Why?
Just like in a pond you can make waves react the same way if you have a barrier to your wave as you set it in motion. Now imagine someone tapping a stick into the pond, then again, quickly...and again and again, getting quicker and quicker.
Watch the ripples/waves.
As long as there is a constant wave pattern for that pressure there will be a constant end product from it.
To place it into a different context, it's like a  radio or a phone or whatever you want to name.

If you wanted to build up a pressure in that stick before you unleash it onto the pond, you would get a snap crackle and pop. You get a rice krispy arc or to put it simpler, you get lightning that the person on the other side, sees and then hears what made it. Friction/vibration.

If light is purely a wave, how does it explain experiments like the 2 slit experiment?
What's tehre  to explain. What's happening that makes what I'm saying, wrong?

What is your evidence about light being sound? Why would it be sound? Is there a reason?
The reason is simple. We exist because we are vibrations. That's it. No more thought needed.
It's like walking past a wall that shoots out a boxing glove punch which can vary in strength and pressure.
You can pretend that the boxing glove is something else if you want but it's going to dish out the same thing to you every day, except in variations that you can't rightly predict with any accuracy.

It's still basically a bat in the face with a boxing glove. The same as you will always vibrate even when you're a non thinking lifeless (to us) human shell. You'll stay vibrating until Earth stops vibrating, which will be never.

How can we have light in vacuum?
We can't and until people like you get a grip on what vacuum actually is, you'll spout nonsense.
Let me try carefully and quickly.
A vacuum is the ABSENCE of all matter. What does this mean?...it means that a vacuum basically does not exist. How can we visualise a vacuum that does not exist?
We can't. We just think we can because we are being duped by the science world to believe that space is as close to one as we can get, yet AS CLOSE is nothing as an explanation for a vacuum.

It's like you trying to hide behind a wall slowly and me shouting, " I can still see you but you're half disappeared. One more half and you will be gone. "
The truth is, you're not gone. You are still there. Now unless you literally disappear into the air, never to be seen or heard of again, you can be classed as disappeared in a sense but in actual fact, you are scattered and still exist as a scattering.
A vacuum is none of this. It's a nothing. It never existed except for a word.
You don't see it or feel it and you do not see anything in the sky that is it, as in what you see a space.
You see blackness. You see blackness because that's what you are told blackness is.....a vacuum of space or a near vacuum of space...or space with free moving particles...or space with EM radiation just travelling around it, etc.
You will not allow yourself to bother to open your own mind to see how silly it all is, because your trust in tefal heads is unconditional. They make you feel smart, because they are backed to the hilt as long as they follow protocol which includes feeding you what's put on their platter.

I see many people time and time and time again mention vacuum and SUCK. Vacuum do not suck because vacuums do not exist to us, except to misuse the word as badly as saying the big bang started from NOTHING.
As bad as believing you know what a black hole is. Or a wormhole in space. Or whatever else gets spewed out.
Get this into your head and make a point of keeping it there. You live under pressure. You live in a sea that you call atmosphere that is pushing you into the deck.
You are walking about and vibrating and creating waves as you do so, just like the bee that flies past your head that could be almost talking  to you, if those vibrations from it's wings were fine tuned for your ears and understanding of your own vibrational alphabet or words from it.
You are merely a buzzing vibration to something else you live among that is not on your frequency.
You are a vibrational glow but you cannot see it, yet a bat can. You can see a firefly at night. What do you think it's doing? do you think it's poured petrol over itself and flying about screaming?
It's staying alive by vibration...by sound and frequency that's creating the light you see.
In your fictional vacuum, you cannot have any vibration at all. No waves. No friction. no life. Because the vacuum...the true vacuum that we can only think of, means the end of all vibration. Everything ceases to be anything, because all energy stops.

Where is the point where sound stops being sound and becomes light?
That depends on the pressures and waves and frequencies that create the vibrations that create the sound and light after effects that you see.
Imagine walking down an alley made of metal and you have a metal bar that you are scraping along it. If you walk along slowly whilst putting pressure on that wall, you hear a horrendous noise. Is it light?
Yes it is but not to you, because your ears pick it up and your body feels the vibrations, yet your sight is not geared to seeing a glow..but it's  there. To find out, all you have to do is start running as fast as you can whilst dragging that metal bar and soon you'll hear the sound become less horrendous and the vibration will become less intense...but now you will see something that you couldn't. You see a glowing metal bar that will get brighter and brighter if you keep putting the energy in and increasing your acceleration, until it starts to melt.

You don't need to put yourself through this task. Just resonate a magnet and put some metal inside of the coil and it will glow without anything seemingly touching it...except atmosphere that is super vibrating at frequency and pressure is doing the very same thing to it as you were doing with your iron bar on the wall...except it appears different to your vision.

What are you even talking about?? Are you some sort of hipster who disagrees with mainstream science just because it is mainstream? What sense does all of that make? How can anything in your mind produce such a high frequency of sound that it creates light? It's ridiculous...
I don't like being filled with bullshit or potential bullshit, so I decide to work it out for myself. the only possible way to do that (considering our indoctrination has been severe) is to  start from square one. Basically be reborn.
Start the Earth in motion and build  it from there. Or I should say, try and figure out what The Earth would be doing and how it can manage to have such an abundance of life that just happens to be a circle of more or less, perfection, as in one mans waste is another creatures food and one man's death is another creatures life.
It's like we are all cigarettes that are glowing at the tip...all of different sizes and all of different packaging of tobacco in density. It's a case of who burns down quickest but also a case of each species asking for a light off the tip of another's lit cigarette end.

If you move fast your cigarette glows more and burns down faster. If you move slow, your cigarette burns down much less because the glow is not so intense.
Who wants to be a firefly and who wants to be a blue whale?

You do not understand science... A single WAVE can NOT propagate through a certain material faster if it has a different frequency. If you are tapping a stick in a pond, all you are doing is increasing the frequency of the ripples. You don't make them move faster. If the speed of sound in a certain material (say the atmosphere) is, say, 1000mph, then even if you increase the frequency, it won't move faster. It will just have a higher frequency. I think it's quite obvious that light is faster than sound. I have no idea what a Newton's cradle has anything to do with anything. Maybe you just thought it sounded cool.

If you are not familiar with the double slit experiment, this is what it says: "In the basic version of this experiment, a coherent light source such as a laser beam illuminates a plate pierced by two parallel slits, and the light passing through the slits is observed on a screen behind the plate. The wave nature of light causes the light waves passing through the two slits to interfere, producing bright and dark bands on the screen—a result that would not be expected if light consisted of classical particles. However, the light is always found to be absorbed at the screen at discrete points, as individual particles (not waves), the interference pattern appearing via the varying density of these particle hits on the screen. Furthermore, versions of the experiment that include detectors at the slits find that each detected photon passes through one slit (as would a classical particle), and not through both slits (as would a wave). These results demonstrate the principle of wave–particle duality."

"The reason is simple. We exist because we are vibrations. That's it. No more thought needed.
It's like walking past a wall that shoots out a boxing glove punch which can vary in strength and pressure.
You can pretend that the boxing glove is something else if you want but it's going to dish out the same thing to you every day, except in variations that you can't rightly predict with any accuracy."

What is your evidence about any of this? Is there a reason? Does it explain anything at all?
How can we have light in vacuum?

"We can't and until people like you get a grip on what vacuum actually is, you'll spout nonsense.
Let me try carefully and quickly.
A vacuum is the ABSENCE of all matter. What does this mean?...it means that a vacuum basically does not exist. How can we visualise a vacuum that does not exist?
We can't. We just think we can because we are being duped by the science world to believe that space is as close to one as we can get, yet AS CLOSE is nothing as an explanation for a vacuum."

I'm gonna explain to you something very very simple: how to create a near perfect vacuum and how to shine light through it. Take a glass box. Remove everything that is inside it. Then take a vacuum pump. Suck as much air out of it as you can. Take a laser or any other light source. Voila. Why do you have so much trouble comprehending that? By the way, there is vacuum everywhere. The space between atoms has no matter in it. That's a vacuum. I also don't know why you have such a hard time comprehending the darkness of space. Darkness is like vacuum. It doesn't really exist, it's just absence of light, just like vacuum is an absence of matter. If there is no matter to emit light, then you have darkness.

"Yes it is but not to you, because your ears pick it up and your body feels the vibrations, yet your sight is not geared to seeing a glow..but it's  there. To find out, all you have to do is start running as fast as you can whilst dragging that metal bar and soon you'll hear the sound become less horrendous and the vibration will become less intense...but now you will see something that you couldn't. You see a glowing metal bar that will get brighter and brighter if you keep putting the energy in and increasing your acceleration, until it starts to melt."

That's not remotely what you say. You say that light is sound. What really happens is that you heat up the metal due to the friction. You also make sound. Everything that has a temperature above 0 Kelvin emits radiation, you just can't see it, because your eyes can't see it. The more you heat something up the more its light shifts to red, then white, then blue, etc. That's why it glows. Ok. Nice. You also produce sound because of the friction. So the sound is produced by vibrations due to the friction, and the light is produced by heat that is produced by the friction. Does this mean that light = sound? NO! It simply means that the source in this circumstance (the friction) is the same. It's like saying that if a cook makes a cake and then cooks a steak, the steak is the same thing as a cake.

"I don't like being filled with bullshit or potential bullshit, so I decide to work it out for myself. the only possible way to do that (considering our indoctrination has been severe) is to  start from square one. Basically be reborn.
Start the Earth in motion and build  it from there."

So you basically just decided to make your own version of reality. That's interesting, but if you still believe that it's actually reality, then you are delusional. It's an incoherent "reality" that explains nothing and makes no sense. If that is what you will, then fine. Just don't bother other people with it.

"If you move fast your cigarette glows more and burns down faster. If you move slow, your cigarette burns down much less because the glow is not so intense.
Who wants to be a firefly and who wants to be a blue whale?"

Are you high?
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #312 on: August 13, 2015, 04:57:22 AM »
Why does lead absorb and emit an electromagnetic wavelength of 283.3 nm?


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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #313 on: August 13, 2015, 05:00:54 AM »
Yendor=septic

That is a great honor you bestowed upon me, but i'm not worthy being call Scepti. Scepti is a genius, i'm no genius.
Yeah you are a genius. You attempt, like me to grasp reality among a lifetime of absolute clever duping.
You are willing, like me to go over and over stuff to make sense of it.
You have the remarkable ability to think for yourself and not be swayed by mass bullying techniques.

You are a genius. You are a basic, logical common sense thinking genius...like me.
Having the ability to read a book and recite it, is called memory banking. Plenty on here do it but most of them can only work on a prompter.

Thank you Scepti, that is a great honor coming from you.

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Ok, guys, I will leave you in your fairy tale reality, where you are geniuses and have to save the world from the reptilian government and scientists! Bye bye!!!
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #314 on: August 13, 2015, 05:39:12 AM »

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
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LED's generate heat as well as light.    But  unlike  tungsten filament lamps the light doesn't come from black body radiation the light comes from electron transitions from one level to another,  so the spectral output is quite different to tungsten.    LED's don't produce the huge amounts of Infra Red that tungsten does.   ( Unless it's an InfraRed LED )

LED's  are  powered by DC current.   

There is no sound  involved at any stage in the production of light from an LED.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #315 on: August 13, 2015, 06:08:28 AM »
LOL, proven troll!

"HA HAAA! THEY HAVE M!!!!!! TROLLS, ALTS!!!!"
Okay, I'm done with this. Going by your logic, you're an alt of Pavarotti.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #316 on: August 13, 2015, 06:16:54 AM »

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
Just be aware that magic is not real but it can be pushed out as being real by clever manipulators of the mind and body.
LED's generate heat as well as light.    But  unlike  tungsten filament lamps the light doesn't come from black body radiation the light comes from electron transitions from one level to another,  so the spectral output is quite different to tungsten.    LED's don't produce the huge amounts of Infra Red that tungsten does.   ( Unless it's an InfraRed LED )

LED's  are  powered by DC current.   

There is no sound  involved at any stage in the production of light from an LED.
I'm not mentioning tungsten filament lamps. We are talking about LED lights and they produce heat as you have said.

I'm not interested in how you want to dress it up  with spectral output and infra red or even black body radiation. I'm dealing with the public. I'm dealing with people who have a right to know what their lives are and what they actually exist, as part of, plus knowing the basics of it all to such an extent that they cannot be easily fooled in the future.

To enable me to do that, I cannot and will not get into the finer details of the complexities of what you and your little friends pour out from your parroted readings from various books/sheets/videos/google/wiki, etc, etc, etc.

So admit it produces heat. Case closed. You now know that vibration/friction plays a part. You also know that none of this can be possible without sound.
The issue is about our primitive ears and sense picking it up  and you well know that LED's do not give out enough for their size to enable us to hear.

You have to admit that  insects and various creatures would (if they could talk like us) have a much different take on it all, right? They would be shouting, "scepti's right, we can sense it all."

 

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #317 on: August 13, 2015, 06:25:59 AM »

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
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LED's generate heat as well as light.    But  unlike  tungsten filament lamps the light doesn't come from black body radiation the light comes from electron transitions from one level to another,  so the spectral output is quite different to tungsten.    LED's don't produce the huge amounts of Infra Red that tungsten does.   ( Unless it's an InfraRed LED )

LED's  are  powered by DC current.   

There is no sound  involved at any stage in the production of light from an LED.
I'm not mentioning tungsten filament lamps. We are talking about LED lights and they produce heat as you have said.

I'm not interested in how you want to dress it up  with spectral output and infra red or even black body radiation. I'm dealing with the public. I'm dealing with people who have a right to know what their lives are and what they actually exist, as part of, plus knowing the basics of it all to such an extent that they cannot be easily fooled in the future.

To enable me to do that, I cannot and will not get into the finer details of the complexities of what you and your little friends pour out from your parroted readings from various books/sheets/videos/google/wiki, etc, etc, etc.

So admit it produces heat. Case closed. You now know that vibration/friction plays a part. You also know that none of this can be possible without sound.
The issue is about our primitive ears and sense picking it up  and you well know that LED's do not give out enough for their size to enable us to hear.

You have to admit that  insects and various creatures would (if they could talk like us) have a much different take on it all, right? They would be shouting, "scepti's right, we can sense it all."

Ok,  let's forget the finer details,  and stick with what we can sense and feel..   LED's  don't get hot.   And they don't vibrate,  however much your little insect friends might think otherwise. 

The light comes from electrons going from a high energy state to a lower energy state, and the energy difference is emitted as EM radiation in the form of light.    The light being generated has nothing to do with heat or sound.   



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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #318 on: August 13, 2015, 06:36:58 AM »

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
Just be aware that magic is not real but it can be pushed out as being real by clever manipulators of the mind and body.
LED's generate heat as well as light.    But  unlike  tungsten filament lamps the light doesn't come from black body radiation the light comes from electron transitions from one level to another,  so the spectral output is quite different to tungsten.    LED's don't produce the huge amounts of Infra Red that tungsten does.   ( Unless it's an InfraRed LED )

LED's  are  powered by DC current.   

There is no sound  involved at any stage in the production of light from an LED.
I'm not mentioning tungsten filament lamps. We are talking about LED lights and they produce heat as you have said.

I'm not interested in how you want to dress it up  with spectral output and infra red or even black body radiation. I'm dealing with the public. I'm dealing with people who have a right to know what their lives are and what they actually exist, as part of, plus knowing the basics of it all to such an extent that they cannot be easily fooled in the future.

To enable me to do that, I cannot and will not get into the finer details of the complexities of what you and your little friends pour out from your parroted readings from various books/sheets/videos/google/wiki, etc, etc, etc.

So admit it produces heat. Case closed. You now know that vibration/friction plays a part. You also know that none of this can be possible without sound.
The issue is about our primitive ears and sense picking it up  and you well know that LED's do not give out enough for their size to enable us to hear.

You have to admit that  insects and various creatures would (if they could talk like us) have a much different take on it all, right? They would be shouting, "scepti's right, we can sense it all."

Ok,  let's forget the finer details,  and stick with what we can sense and feel..   LED's  don't get hot.   And they don't vibrate,  however much your little insect friends might think otherwise. 

The light comes from electrons going from a high energy state to a lower energy state, and the energy difference is emitted as EM radiation in the form of light.    The light being generated has nothing to do with heat or sound.
Oh, ok. We might have to  keep walking the maze for a little while until we find the best path.
Let's start with ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
Ok, Razor, all I want from you, is a kid like explanation of what EM radiation is and how it works.
Use analogies like I do. You know how I used the night club for my bell jar.
The reason I want you to do this  is because it really helps those looking in, who would otherwise not be interested. You know how it is with me , Razor...right?

Let's get this thing done and dusted. You never know, a light bulb may come on in your head and you could  be batting for the other side soon enough.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #319 on: August 13, 2015, 06:43:26 AM »

Before I go on about this, I'm going to put 2 questions to you.

1. Does your light emitting diode (LED) emit ANY heat at all, no matter how small?

2.Does your light emitting diode (LED) form part of an electrical CIRCUIT.

I'll wait for your answers on these before I plod on.
Just be aware that magic is not real but it can be pushed out as being real by clever manipulators of the mind and body.
LED's generate heat as well as light.    But  unlike  tungsten filament lamps the light doesn't come from black body radiation the light comes from electron transitions from one level to another,  so the spectral output is quite different to tungsten.    LED's don't produce the huge amounts of Infra Red that tungsten does.   ( Unless it's an InfraRed LED )

LED's  are  powered by DC current.   

There is no sound  involved at any stage in the production of light from an LED.
I'm not mentioning tungsten filament lamps. We are talking about LED lights and they produce heat as you have said.

I'm not interested in how you want to dress it up  with spectral output and infra red or even black body radiation. I'm dealing with the public. I'm dealing with people who have a right to know what their lives are and what they actually exist, as part of, plus knowing the basics of it all to such an extent that they cannot be easily fooled in the future.

To enable me to do that, I cannot and will not get into the finer details of the complexities of what you and your little friends pour out from your parroted readings from various books/sheets/videos/google/wiki, etc, etc, etc.

So admit it produces heat. Case closed. You now know that vibration/friction plays a part. You also know that none of this can be possible without sound.
The issue is about our primitive ears and sense picking it up  and you well know that LED's do not give out enough for their size to enable us to hear.

You have to admit that  insects and various creatures would (if they could talk like us) have a much different take on it all, right? They would be shouting, "scepti's right, we can sense it all."

Why do you seem to think that for some reason the sensory organs of insects are necessarily more sensitive than the ones of humans? That's a very childish view.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #320 on: August 13, 2015, 06:53:31 AM »
let's keep it simple.

Rule 1:  A changing electric field,  generates a changing magnetic field.
Rule 2: A changing magnetic field generates a changing electric field.

So whenever we get a changing electric field, if will generate a changing magnetic field, which in turn generates a changing electric field which generates a changing magnetic field and generates a changing electric field...   and on it goes forever.   Racing through space at the speed of light.    We call it Electro Magnetic Radiation.   

The energy depends on the wavelength,   the shorter the wavelength the higher the energy.   

That's it,  it's not really all that complicated.   Maxwell was the first to realize that light was actually EM radiation,  the clue he had was that  the permittivity of free space times the permeability of free space was the inverse of  speed of light squared.     

PS
Here's a simple experiment you can perform.   Get an old AM radio and tune it between stations,  all you will hear is static.    Now go to an electrical appliance,  like a desklamp,  a bar heater or something,  and flick the on off switch a few times,  you will hear a burst of static on the radio, each time the switch goes either on or off.   That's the EM radiation caused by the current flow starting and stopping which creates the changing electric field.   Marconi made the first radio transmitter by setting up a spark gap to give rapid on/off currents.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #321 on: August 13, 2015, 07:12:30 AM »
let's keep it simple.

Rule 1:  A changing electric field,  generates a changing magnetic field.
Rule 2: A changing magnetic field generates a changing electric field.

So whenever we get a changing electric field, if will generate a changing magnetic field, which in turn generates a changing electric field which generates a changing magnetic field and generates a changing electric field...   and on it goes forever.   Racing through space at the speed of light.    We call it Electro Magnetic Radiation.   

The energy depends on the wavelength,   the shorter the wavelength the higher the energy.   

That's it,  it's not really all that complicated.   Maxwell was the first to realize that light was actually EM radiation,  the clue he had was that  the permittivity of free space times the permeability of free space was the inverse of  speed of light squared.     

PS
Here's a simple experiment you can perform.   Get an old AM radio and tune it between stations,  all you will hear is static.    Now go to an electrical appliance,  like a desklamp,  a bar heater or something,  and flick the on off switch a few times,  you will hear a burst of static on the radio, each time the switch goes either on or off.   That's the EM radiation caused by the current flow starting and stopping which creates the changing electric field.   Marconi made the first radio transmitter by setting up a spark gap to give rapid on/off currents.


Sounds a bit like Maxwell, heard he a silver hammer.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #322 on: August 13, 2015, 07:21:11 AM »
Sounds a bit like Maxwell, heard he a silver hammer.

Here is that silver hammer.   ;D



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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #323 on: August 13, 2015, 07:48:14 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #324 on: August 13, 2015, 08:03:49 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.

Ok,  I'll repeat what I said,  just in case you missed it.

Rule 1:  A changing electric field,  generates a changing magnetic field.
Rule 2:  A changing magnetic field generates a changing electric field.

So whenever we get a changing electric field, if will generate a changing magnetic field, which in turn generates a changing electric field which generates a changing magnetic field and generates a changing electric field...   and on it goes forever.   Racing through space at the speed of light.    We call it Electro Magnetic Radiation.   

I'm surprised that was too complicated for you.    What sort of analogy were you thinking of?

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #325 on: August 13, 2015, 09:06:40 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.

Ok,  I'll repeat what I said,  just in case you missed it.

Rule 1:  A changing electric field,  generates a changing magnetic field.
Rule 2:  A changing magnetic field generates a changing electric field.

So whenever we get a changing electric field, if will generate a changing magnetic field, which in turn generates a changing electric field which generates a changing magnetic field and generates a changing electric field...   and on it goes forever.   Racing through space at the speed of light.    We call it Electro Magnetic Radiation.   

I'm surprised that was too complicated for you.    What sort of analogy were you thinking of?
If you can't put what you're saying into an analogy then there's no further need to harp on. It's no skin off my nose whether you want to play silly boys as you're not of any real interest to me. the one's that are, are those that genuinely want to grasp reality.


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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #326 on: August 13, 2015, 10:07:27 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.
And I asked you why lead absorbs a certain wavelength. So why?
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #327 on: August 13, 2015, 10:21:05 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.
And I asked you why lead absorbs a certain wavelength. So why?
You didn't ask me anything that I recall. But now that you have. What the hell has lead and wavelengths got to do with anything?

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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #328 on: August 13, 2015, 11:09:25 AM »
Rayzor, I asked you to use an analogy. You refused to. I'll ask you again to give a scenario for how electro-magnetic radiation works.
If you can do it then fair enough, because simple explanations will actually give the game up.
And I asked you why lead absorbs a certain wavelength. So why?
You didn't ask me anything that I recall. But now that you have. What the hell has lead and wavelengths got to do with anything?

It has to do with light. You can pass any wavelength of sound through lead, but the wavelength of light emitted is the same regardless of what wavelength of light you shine at it.
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Re: Apparently Light=Sound now
« Reply #329 on: August 13, 2015, 12:46:58 PM »
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Because YOU DON'T EXIST FFS!!!

So just leave it out, disinfo thing...

Just LMFAO - at YOU!!!
Why are you laughing? You claimed vacuum pumps do nothing.

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