Apparently Light=Sound now

He has said that he does not believe the earth is flat.

LOL!!!

Obvious frenzied butt-hurt sock-puppet circle-jerk is so, so, obvious...

Keep trying, shills, robots & criminals!

'Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau;

Mock on, mock on, 'tis all in vain.

You throw the sand against the wind,

And the wind blows it back again...'

Give me your equations for Lying; show me your Math for the Human Soul...

You Cannot; & you Never Will.

So; enjoy your self-imposed Slavery, disinfo-things; just as I enjoy my self-imposed Freedom.

It is all a Matter of Choice; do allow us to make our own, eh, tiny web-bound Thought-Policemen?

You won't of course; because it is simply not in your Nature; but it's always worth an ask...

LOL!!!

Obvious frenzied butt-hurt sock-puppet circle-jerk is so, so, obvious...

Keep trying, shills, robots & criminals!

'Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau;

Mock on, mock on, 'tis all in vain.

You throw the sand against the wind,

And the wind blows it back again...'

Give me your equations for Lying; show me your Math for the Human Soul...

You Cannot; & you Never Will.

So; enjoy your self-imposed Slavery, disinfo-things; just as I enjoy my self-imposed Freedom.

It is all a Matter of Choice; do allow us to make our own, eh, tiny web-bound Thought-Policemen?

You won't of course; because it is simply not in your Nature; but it's always worth an ask...

I know that it's against the rules and guidelines of this forum, but there we go: lol

Is it really?

I wouldn't know; unlike yourself, I have no interest whatsoever in 'Rules & Guidelines'...

However, I believe I should at least get somewhat back on-topic, & I shall do so by posting the latter part of the poem I quoted above.

Of course, your mental slavery will not allow you to concede that any poem could be considered 'evidence'; yet still I shall post it, for those who are less blinkered in their thinking...

'And every sand becomes a gem

Reflected in the beams divine;

Blown back they blind the mocking eye,

But still in Israel's path they shine.

The Atoms of Democritus

And Newton's particles of Light

Are sands upon the Red Sea shore

Where Israel's tents do shine so bright.'

The Doorway is Open, children...

Enter; Do Not Enter - the Choice is Yours.

Switching from science to philosophy doesn't change anything. Sound is still just pressure waves and light is electromagnetic waves.

Switching from science to philosophy doesn't change anything. Sound is still just pressure waves and light is electromagnetic waves.

Try figuring out what electromagnetic waves are and you'll see it's all pressures. You people are far too gone in the science world that your minds are too focused on complicated magical unexplainable reasons for how and why they all work. You do the same with fictional gravity and any amount of other crap.

Is it really?

I wouldn't know; unlike yourself, I have no interest whatsoever in 'Rules & Guidelines'...

However, I believe I should at least get somewhat back on-topic, & I shall do so by posting the latter part of the poem I quoted above.

Of course, your mental slavery will not allow you to concede that any poem could be considered 'evidence'; yet still I shall post it, for those who are less blinkered in their thinking...

'And every sand becomes a gem

Reflected in the beams divine;

Blown back they blind the mocking eye,

But still in Israel's path they shine.

The Atoms of Democritus

And Newton's particles of Light

Are sands upon the Red Sea shore

Where Israel's tents do shine so bright.'

The Doorway is Open, children...

Enter; Do Not Enter - the Choice is Yours.

What the fuck was that?

Quote from: sokarul on August 19, 2015, 09:28:17 AM

Switching from science to philosophy doesn't change anything. Sound is still just pressure waves and light is electromagnetic waves.

Try figuring out what electromagnetic waves are and you'll see it's all pressures. You people are far too gone in the science world that your minds are too focused on complicated magical unexplainable reasons for how and why they all work. You do the same with fictional gravity and any amount of other crap.

It's not pressure. Just... Just stop. I've explained to you a million times why. Besides, YOU have the burden of proof. Just prove your claims already.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 19, 2015, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 19, 2015, 09:28:17 AM

Switching from science to philosophy doesn't change anything. Sound is still just pressure waves and light is electromagnetic waves.

Try figuring out what electromagnetic waves are and you'll see it's all pressures. You people are far too gone in the science world that your minds are too focused on complicated magical unexplainable reasons for how and why they all work. You do the same with fictional gravity and any amount of other crap.

It's not pressure. Just... Just stop. I've explained to you a million times why. Besides, YOU have the burden of proof. Just prove your claims already.

Your brain is too shallow for any deep thought. Stick to nodding your head at those you feel inferior to. You obey your masters.

Your brain is too shallow for any deep thought. Stick to nodding your head at those you feel inferior to. You obey your masters.

I am inferior to nobody and superior to nobody.  Most people may think of physics as way too complicated for them to fully understand, but people like me try to learn it no matter how hard it is.  Our brains are not wired to understand it so of course it's hard to learn, if physics was common sense then cars and computers would have been invented thousands of years ago and the universe would have no mysteries.

Sceptimatic - if all of the physics you try and convince us of is common sense then why is it you can provide not one piece of evidence or experimental proof whatsoever?!

Actually, sceptimatic, IF your model of physics is common sense to you, then you should already know, for example, how to build a biological computer. Then you should know how to build hovering vehicles. Then you should know the most effiecent, greatest, most abundant, low-risk available source of energy in the world. Since it's all common sense to you, right?

Quote from: Papa Legba on August 19, 2015, 03:46:31 AM

Is it really?

I wouldn't know; unlike yourself, I have no interest whatsoever in 'Rules & Guidelines'...

However, I believe I should at least get somewhat back on-topic, & I shall do so by posting the latter part of the poem I quoted above.

Of course, your mental slavery will not allow you to concede that any poem could be considered 'evidence'; yet still I shall post it, for those who are less blinkered in their thinking...

'And every sand becomes a gem

Reflected in the beams divine;

Blown back they blind the mocking eye,

But still in Israel's path they shine.

The Atoms of Democritus

And Newton's particles of Light

Are sands upon the Red Sea shore

Where Israel's tents do shine so bright.'

The Doorway is Open, children...

Enter; Do Not Enter - the Choice is Yours.

What the fuck was that?

That was Poetry, lying idiot who vowed they would ignore me then repeatedly didn't.

It is no surprise that you are unable to understand it, as your dishonesty & ignorance is a matter of record.

Now f**k off; & take your 'Rule & Guidelines' that you seem to think apply only to others with you, hypocrite.

Quote from: sokarul on August 19, 2015, 09:28:17 AM

Switching from science to philosophy doesn't change anything. Sound is still just pressure waves and light is electromagnetic waves.

Try figuring out what electromagnetic waves are and you'll see it's all pressures. You people are far too gone in the science world that your minds are too focused on complicated magical unexplainable reasons for how and why they all work. You do the same with fictional gravity and any amount of other crap.

I have it figure out, science has it figured out. It's just over your head.
It's energy, which can be absorbed.

Or emitted.

It can burn you.
It can power your house.

Game over.

Ok sokarul. You say electromagnetism is easily explained and your explanation is.#

1. It gets absorbed.
2. It can burn you.
3.It can power your house.

You then say game over without explaining how it does these things. Let's see some effort.
I know it's going to be hard for you to explain all of what you said without using what I've been telling you all the time...but try anyway.

Running in like a 3 year old and shouting, " game over." "I win." I've defeated flat Earth." And all the rest of your silly pathetic crap, makes you look an absolute backward dip shit. Pack it in you mug. 

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Tell me what absorbing energy means.
Also tell me what jump up a state (EXCITE) means.
You say you need an atom to split to get gamma rays to create radioactive decay. What does radioactive decay mean?

Do not use equations and do not use ridiculous text book crap. I'd like you to explain in kid like terms how it all works. Enlighten me and also explain how you physically know this all occurs.

If you're going to put it out and try to show me the errors of my ways, then show it so everyone can understand it.

Over to you.

Quote from: sokarul on August 20, 2015, 07:52:24 AM

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Tell me what absorbing energy means.
Also tell me what jump up a state (EXCITE) means.
You say you need an atom to split to get gamma rays to create radioactive decay. What does radioactive decay mean?

Do not use equations and do not use ridiculous text book crap. I'd like you to explain in kid like terms how it all works. Enlighten me and also explain how you physically know this all occurs.

If you're going to put it out and try to show me the errors of my ways, then show it so everyone can understand it.

Over to you.

Brace yourself Scepti, because this explenation requires a basic understanding of quantum mechanics.  I could help explain it to you but fr now I will just leave it to Solarul.

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Are you talking about photons in the above underlined statement?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 20, 2015, 08:35:48 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 20, 2015, 07:52:24 AM

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Tell me what absorbing energy means.
Also tell me what jump up a state (EXCITE) means.
You say you need an atom to split to get gamma rays to create radioactive decay. What does radioactive decay mean?

Do not use equations and do not use ridiculous text book crap. I'd like you to explain in kid like terms how it all works. Enlighten me and also explain how you physically know this all occurs.

If you're going to put it out and try to show me the errors of my ways, then show it so everyone can understand it.

Over to you.

Brace yourself Scepti, because this explenation requires a basic understanding of quantum mechanics.  I could help explain it to you but fr now I will just leave it to Solarul.

This kind of situation is so common. FEer asking for explanation about complicated stuff and expecting simple answer, the questioned REer answers with scientific basis (since there's no other way to do it), the FEer doesn't understand (or pretends not to) then calling the REer a shill and deliberately trying to deceive and mislead. This is what you're up to, right Scepti? Now that I have pointed it out, you probably won't choose to go this way.

Quote from: sokarul on August 20, 2015, 07:52:24 AM

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Are you talking about photons in the above underlined statement?

No, he's definitely talking about electrons.  The electrons do release and absorb energy in the form of photons though.

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:14:16 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 20, 2015, 07:52:24 AM

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Are you talking about photons in the above underlined statement?

No, he's definitely talking about electrons.  The electrons do release and absorb energy in the form of photons though.

Yea. The electrons do the absorbing and emitting of photons of set energy.

I'll get to sceptic's post whenever I feel like it since I don't get paid to teach.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 20, 2015, 10:31:50 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:14:16 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 20, 2015, 07:52:24 AM

It has been said by me and others that when electrons drop an energy level (de excitie), they will release energy. They can also absorb energy and jump up a state(excite). To get gamma rays you actually need an atom to split as in radioactive decay to get enough energy released to get a gamma ray.

Are you talking about photons in the above underlined statement?

No, he's definitely talking about electrons.  The electrons do release and absorb energy in the form of photons though.

Yea. The electrons go the absorbing and emitting of photons of set energy.

I'll get to sceptic's post whenever I feel like it since I don't get paid to teach.

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:41:15 AM

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Okay, You're telling me that when photons are created they take in energy and light is produced. They can also give up energy if they are absorbed.

My question is, I have read that photons are supposed to have zero mass, and since energy is mass times velocity squared, how can they have energy to produce light. Another thing, If different colors of light were caused by all the different frequency velocities and energy levels of photons, we would be immersed in a very confusing visual world of color. Would we not?

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:41:15 AM

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Okay, You're telling me that when photons are created they take in energy and light is produced. They can also give up energy if they are absorbed.

My question is, I have read that photons are supposed to have zero mass, and since energy is mass times velocity squared, how can they have energy to produce light. Another thing, If different colors of light were caused by all the different frequency velocities and energy levels of photons, we would be immersed in a very confusing visual world of color. Would we not?

Photons are a form of energy, that behaves like a particle that travels in a wave-like pattern. Also, light is photons and photons is light. As long as there is energy for a photon to be released there is light. What we see with our eyes are just photons hitting the inside of our eyes and transmitting their energy to chemicals in our eyes. Aso, the colours we see on an object are just the avarage colour. Our eyes are hit by every wavelength of light in the visible spectrum when looking at something illuminated. If there is an equal amount of every wavelength, we see white. Lack of visible wavelengths is black. Red surfaces emit a majority of red wavelengths, and blue surfaces emit a majority of blue wavelengths.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:41:15 AM

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Okay, You're telling me that when photons are created they take in energy and light is produced. They can also give up energy if they are absorbed.

My question is, I have read that photons are supposed to have zero mass, and since energy is mass times velocity squared, how can they have energy to produce light. Another thing, If different colors of light were caused by all the different frequency velocities and energy levels of photons, we would be immersed in a very confusing visual world of color. Would we not?

E=mc² assumes that there is zero velocity, but relativity can make mass change with velocity because mass is a measure of force*(distance/time²) and distance and time are relative.  The full equasion taking this into account is the following:



Light goes at relativistic speeds, so this needs to be taken into account.

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 11:00:52 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:41:15 AM

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Okay, You're telling me that when photons are created they take in energy and light is produced. They can also give up energy if they are absorbed.

My question is, I have read that photons are supposed to have zero mass, and since energy is mass times velocity squared, how can they have energy to produce light. Another thing, If different colors of light were caused by all the different frequency velocities and energy levels of photons, we would be immersed in a very confusing visual world of color. Would we not?

Photons are a form of energy, that behaves like a particle that travels in a wave-like pattern. Also, light is photons and photons is light. As long as there is energy for a photon to be released there is light. What we see with our eyes are just photons hitting the inside of our eyes and transmitting their energy to chemicals in our eyes. Aso, the colours we see on an object are just the avarage colour. Our eyes are hit by every wavelength of light in the visible spectrum when looking at something illuminated. If there is an equal amount of every wavelength, we see white. Lack of visible wavelengths is black. Red surfaces emit a majority of red wavelengths, and blue surfaces emit a majority of blue wavelengths.

You are saying that the electrons produce photons that are actual particles, that have energy and they travel in a wave-like pattern. So, it must be all particles that come from electrons, travel in a wave-like pattern can produce light. Would you suppose these photons that are produced from electrons are caused when electrons collide with each other. Sort of like friction?

Quote from: Master_Evar on August 20, 2015, 11:10:52 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 11:00:52 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: Yendor on August 20, 2015, 10:41:15 AM

Okay, So photons do not release energy or absorb energy, is that correct?

The only time they take in energy is the moment they are created and the only time they give energy is if they are absorbed.  Other then that they do not emit or absorb any energy.

Okay, You're telling me that when photons are created they take in energy and light is produced. They can also give up energy if they are absorbed.

My question is, I have read that photons are supposed to have zero mass, and since energy is mass times velocity squared, how can they have energy to produce light. Another thing, If different colors of light were caused by all the different frequency velocities and energy levels of photons, we would be immersed in a very confusing visual world of color. Would we not?

Photons are a form of energy, that behaves like a particle that travels in a wave-like pattern. Also, light is photons and photons is light. As long as there is energy for a photon to be released there is light. What we see with our eyes are just photons hitting the inside of our eyes and transmitting their energy to chemicals in our eyes. Aso, the colours we see on an object are just the avarage colour. Our eyes are hit by every wavelength of light in the visible spectrum when looking at something illuminated. If there is an equal amount of every wavelength, we see white. Lack of visible wavelengths is black. Red surfaces emit a majority of red wavelengths, and blue surfaces emit a majority of blue wavelengths.

You are saying that the electrons produce photons that are actual particles, that have energy and they travel in a wave-like pattern. So, it must be all particles that come from electrons, travel in a wave-like pattern can produce light. Would you suppose these photons that are produced from electrons are caused when electrons collide with each other. Sort of like friction?

No, the photons are released when the electrons have too much energy and wants to get rid of some. It's the same principle as to why things cool, they want to have as little energy as possible. The photons are energy in form of a particle, and the wavelength of the photon decides the amount of energy.

Yea. The electrons go the absorbing and emitting of photons of set energy.

Sorry to interrupt just as things are getting interesting; but I simply had to Flag this little Gem of utter Gibberish.

It is a beauty!