A lie 9+ years in the making

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2015, 06:10:35 PM »
*Unlike many, many stars, Pluto is barely visible with the naked eye from Earth.
Incorrect.  Pluto is not visible at all with the naked eye from earth.  Pluto is only visible with powerful telescopes from earth.  Same goes for Uranus and Neptune.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2015, 04:05:45 AM »
I'm sure astronomers would be even more interested in seeing views of those star-fields taken from 2 cameras onboard a space probe, too, Rayzor/Evil Edna/Psyopticon/Etc...

Gives em a different perspective, you know?

Which you are perfectly aware of; but being a well-renowned total Troll-entity, you just want to shit-post instead.

Well done!

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There is no reason to save these images as they are scientifically useless and probably high resulution.

Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2015, 04:21:19 AM »
The 'New Horizons' (lol - 'horizons' in space? Fail!) Probe allegedly had 2 'star cameras', taking 10 photos per second of the surrounding star-field, in order to compare it to their onboard map of over 10,000 stars & thus help orientate/navigate the craft.

Where did you get the part which I highlighted from?
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2015, 04:22:49 AM »
After 9+ years of waiting, here's the first close up picture of Pluto!

9 years for just a boring mountainous landscape? Come on dudes. Wake up!
What now, we can not even go to the moon.
So when is Gunnar going Pluto with the non for profit Pluto One.


Why would they wait for a decade to finish their story? Why would they spend that time for a story that almost no one would care for less. Your conspiracy theory doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It just doesn't make sense. You and the like are even unable to defend it.
You think 9 years is a long time for a story? if they made it up it should have only taken 2 weeks, right?
Your cute!

Would you wait 9 years to get laid? You're cute too!
So the longer it takes to go back to the moon just makes it more believable we went in the first place. Got it!

Why are you talking about Moon now?
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2015, 04:24:02 AM »
I've come to sort of know N.A.S.A and the little merry employees wearing blue shirts or whatever shirts suit them and I have a feeling that this story isn't over just yet.

I watched a documentary on this the other night. I laughed like hell at it. The supposed experts waiting with baited breath for the probe to about turn and get pictures.

With N.A.S.A and the team, miracles are always only a stones throw away. Or in some cases, 3 billion miles.  ;D

So what? Is ad-hominem the best you can do to prove this is a conspiracy? You still haven't answered why, if there was a conspiracy, they had waited a decade after the probe's launch to present us with the pictures.
Are you a blue shirt?

Still dodging my question aren't you? Classic scepti :P
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2015, 04:54:47 AM »
Who is the beneficiary of this Pluto probe crap ? If you Inquire in to who is the creditor & who is the debtor.  Then you will realize the scam.

I still can't see how this can be a scam. Can you enlighten me please?
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2015, 03:36:57 AM »
Also bear in mind that if New Horizons was taking 10 of these every single second for 9+ years, some kind of animation of them in motion wouldn't be too hard either, as well as being very scientifically valuable...

Does that exist?

Or are you still waiting for NASA's CGI 'imagineers' to knock them up?

LMFAO!!!

The Fraud is as clear as the nose on your face, Pinnochio...
The closest thing I have found to your highlighted claim is this http://www.gizmag.com/new-horizons-time-lapse-pluto-charon/36104/ where 7 different pictures were taken at 7 different days in January, each time with an exposure time of one-tenth of a second, too short to capture Pluto’s other, more distant moons.



For sure, New Horizons didn't take 10 pictures every single second for 9+ years. The sensor of its cameras are so sensitive that they had to cover the camera because  if you got a glimpse of the sun, or the sun reflected in the moon or Earth, you could saturate the detector and potentially destroy it. They didn’t open the aperture until they were closer to Mars.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/07/the-camera-behind-the-new-horizons-pluto-photos-ralph/398549/
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2015, 11:36:45 AM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2015, 08:08:32 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb. 

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2015, 08:50:15 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.
Are you sure that you understand the implications of transmitting data from several billion miles away?  Currently, New Horizons has a data rate of about 1-2 kbps.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2015, 08:54:09 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.

That statement was actually spot-on.  In this context "bandwidth" is  "the transmission capacity of a computer network or other telecommunication system."  Expressed in "bits per second".

NewHorizions probe current bandwidth is about 1 kbit/s.  It is estimated that it will need > 16 months to transmit all the data captured during the Pluto flyby. 

In 2007 when it flew by Jupiter it captured > 36Gb of data that took over a year to transmit it all back. At a time it's bandwidth was higher than it is now.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2015, 08:57:09 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.
Are you sure that you understand the implications of transmitting data from several billion miles away?  Currently, New Horizons has a data rate of about 1-2 kbps.

Does that mean it had to bank it's bandwidth for 9 years in order for it to send a picture, like Mikeman stated?  It needs a new Verizon plan.  The current one has shotty rollover data.   :-\

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2015, 09:06:00 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.

That statement was actually spot-on.  In this context "bandwidth" is  "the transmission capacity of a computer network or other telecommunication system."  Expressed in "bits per second".

NewHorizions probe current bandwidth is about 1 kbit/s.  It is estimated that it will need > 16 months to transmit all the data captured during the Pluto flyby. 

In 2007 when it flew by Jupiter it captured > 36Gb of data that took over a year to transmit it all back. At a time it's bandwidth was higher than it is now.


Bandwidth is not like getting $10 a week allowance and you have to save for 10 weeks to buy a $100 telescope.  Bandwidth is instantaneous and occurring all the time.  It did not have to save it up.  Would you people please do a little research on telcom bandwidth?  You probably think you have to save all of you miles per gallon in order to take a road trip.   ::)

Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2015, 09:45:42 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.

That statement was actually spot-on.  In this context "bandwidth" is  "the transmission capacity of a computer network or other telecommunication system."  Expressed in "bits per second".

NewHorizions probe current bandwidth is about 1 kbit/s.  It is estimated that it will need > 16 months to transmit all the data captured during the Pluto flyby. 

In 2007 when it flew by Jupiter it captured > 36Gb of data that took over a year to transmit it all back. At a time it's bandwidth was higher than it is now.


Bandwidth is not like getting $10 a week allowance and you have to save for 10 weeks to buy a $100 telescope.  Bandwidth is instantaneous and occurring all the time.  It did not have to save it up.  Would you people please do a little research on telcom bandwidth?  You probably think you have to save all of you miles per gallon in order to take a road trip.   ::)

The only person who needs to do some research (on most topics actually) is you.  First of all it _just_ captured Gigabytes of data as it flew by Pluto this week. Not just pictures btw, it has 6 other instruments that captured data as well. It will take 16 months to send it all back starting NOW. It couldn't use the bandwidth over the last 10 years to send back pictures it didn't take yet. Are you disagreeing with this fact?

Secondly most of the time (about 2/3) in the last 10 years it spent in hibernation mode. Up-to 200 days at a time, where it was completely asleep and not capturing any photos or sending any data back.

Thirdly, even if it didn't sleep 2/3 of the time, which it did , and even if it was capturing 10 pictures/s, which it didn't (at least not until Pluto fly-by), it could only send about 1/36000 of that at the available bandwidth.  (1kbit/s == 450KB/hour == 1-2 hig-res pictures/hour.) 

And don't forgot the time > 1 year it took to send the data it did capture during Jupiter fly-by.

So no, it wouldn't have time to send all the 10 pictures a second (which it didn't take).

But this point is moot, right? since space travel isn't possible at all, right?  This is all made up, right? They probably just claiming small "bandwidth" to give themselves more time to CGI these images, right? Amazing how elaborate long planned and detailed the deception is.... Or maybe, just maybe, it's possible that they actually did do it? maybe? Nah, you couldn't possibly be wrong about this. Nope. It's inconceivable...

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2015, 10:10:19 PM »
I suppose you are disageeing with Mikeman, then, who stated that it had to save up 9 years worth of bandwidth?  I am still loling about that.  You have not disagreed with anything I said.  You just go on and on about how long the pictures would take to transmit.  Do you even have the raw pics?

Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2015, 10:19:05 PM »
I suppose you are disageeing with Mikeman, then, who stated that it had to save up 9 years worth of bandwidth?  I am still loling about that.  You have not disagreed with anything I said.  You just go on and on about how long the pictures would take to transmit.  Do you even have the raw pics?

Could you provide a quote for Mikemans statement please.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2015, 10:26:02 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2015, 11:06:38 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

What part of that are you unable to understand? 
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2015, 11:14:30 PM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Nothing in quote at all about saving up bandwidth for 9 years.

All he is stating is that NASA wouldn't waste bandwidth sending navigational data whilst gathering and sending data on Pluto itself.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2015, 12:50:29 AM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Nothing in quote at all about saving up bandwidth for 9 years.

All he is stating is that NASA wouldn't waste bandwidth sending navigational data whilst gathering and sending data on Pluto itself.

I suspect jroa is showing his ignorance,  and not having the faintest clue about what bandwidth actually means,   I'm guessing he thinks it's like an internet plan where you get so many gigabytes per month and you can save it up to use later...    ;D     

For jroa,  bandwidth is exactly that,  the speed of the radio link between the tracking station and the spacecraft.   limited bandwidth doesn't mean they skimped on the internet plan...    ROTFLMAO!!
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2015, 01:37:46 AM »
So; only ONE photo from all the many thousands it must have taken?

Are you okay with that?

Plus, I got the ten photos per-second figure from a National Geographic article by Nadia Drake; are you claiming she is lying?

& no real answer from any of you for the lack of stars either; just nit-picking & evasion.

Anyhow, forget all that; just add the appropriate eyes to the left hemisphere of the white, heart-shaped feature on Pluto & nose to the right hemisphere, & you'll get a pretty good image of Disney's 'pluto the dog'.

Co-incidence?

LMAO!!!

They are laughing right in your faces; but believe what you want, brain-washed space-cultists.
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2015, 04:28:40 AM »
So; only ONE photo from all the many thousands it must have taken?
Are you okay with that?

I take it you've missed the part where it states it will take 16 months to return all of the data gathered.....
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2015, 04:42:34 AM »
Actually, I've missed the part where any of this entire stupid farrago makes any sense whatsoever.

But I haven't missed the part where NASA's cartoonists put a silhouette of Disney's Pluto The Dog on their ridiculous, fraudulent images.

& as that's by far the lulziest bit,  I am content.

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2015, 05:06:00 AM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

What part of that are you unable to understand?

All of it I'm guessing. Maybe the "If .. then it wouldn't ..." form of the logical statement is confusing, I don't know.

Not sure why I bother but let me summarize:  mikeman said that there's not enough bandwidth to send 10/s photos back to earth. jroa questioned his understanding of the word "bandwidth". I concurred with mikeman and explained what bandwidth is. And then showed a computation that effective current bandwidth is about 1-2 photos per HOUR. Directly and factually supporting mikeman's statement.  And yes, the past bandwidth cannot be saved, but that doesn't change anything.

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2015, 05:47:11 AM »
So; only ONE photo from all the many thousands it must have taken?

Are you okay with that?
okay with what exactly? That they can only send ONE photo for many thousands it taken -- well what choice do you have. you're limited by physical constraints.


Plus, I got the ten photos per-second figure from a National Geographic article by Nadia Drake; are you claiming she is lying?

I did some research on this. I found that article and 10/s figure she mentioned. So no, I'm not claiming that she is lying. I then did some more reading about the probe:

http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Mission/Spacecraft/Systems-and-Components.php

>>> " New Horizons carries two copies of each of these units for redundancy. The star-tracking cameras store a map of about 3,000 stars; 10 times per second one of the cameras snaps a wide-angle picture of space, compares the locations of the stars to its onboard map, and calculates the spacecraft’s orientation. "

So, yes, you're correct about this point. It does take 10 photos/second, compares it with internal map to validate it's direction. (I can admit being wrong about something, can you?) Now as I've computed elsewhere it couldn't possibly have send all of them, or even anything more than a fraction back. Now this is partly speculation on my part, but an educated guess - I think it's likely doesn't store any of these photos at all. It uses it in real-time to orient itself and throws them out. This is a separate system from the cameras and other instruments used to do scientific research. It really wouldn't have any space to store them either, as 2 8GB harddrives it has are dedicated to storing important data from all other instruments to be send back later. As I mentioned earlier it will take it 16 months to send back the data about Pluto encounter it captured during the 1 week fly-by.


& no real answer from any of you for the lack of stars either; just nit-picking & evasion.

I'm not avoiding anything. I just got annoyed by jroa not understanding what "bandwidth" is. But you want to talk about lack of stars. Fine.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/images/index.html?id=345555
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/images/index.html?id=354084

there's many more, oh wait, here's a really good one:

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/images/index.html?id=358082


Now, I admitted being wrong about something, will you?

Anyhow, forget all that; just add the appropriate eyes to the left hemisphere of the white, heart-shaped feature on Pluto & nose to the right hemisphere, & you'll get a pretty good image of Disney's 'pluto the dog'.

Co-incidence?

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2015, 06:24:21 AM »
Even if New Horizons did take 10 pictures every second for navigation, it wouldn't have sent them all back to Earth.  There is only so much bandwidth available for communicating to New Horizons and NASA would rather use it to receive useful data like photos of Pluto.

Are you sure you understand what the term "bandwidth" means in a telcom sense?  Because your statement really was dumb.

That statement was actually spot-on.  In this context "bandwidth" is  "the transmission capacity of a computer network or other telecommunication system."  Expressed in "bits per second".

NewHorizions probe current bandwidth is about 1 kbit/s.  It is estimated that it will need > 16 months to transmit all the data captured during the Pluto flyby. 

In 2007 when it flew by Jupiter it captured > 36Gb of data that took over a year to transmit it all back. At a time it's bandwidth was higher than it is now.


Bandwidth is not like getting $10 a week allowance and you have to save for 10 weeks to buy a $100 telescope.  Bandwidth is instantaneous and occurring all the time.  It did not have to save it up.  Would you people please do a little research on telcom bandwidth?  You probably think you have to save all of you miles per gallon in order to take a road trip.   ::)
Apparently you don't realize that bandwidth goes down when transmitting from extreme distances.  Do you really expect reliable gigabit data rates from a 12 watt transmitter over 3 billion miles away?
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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2015, 02:29:02 PM »
Thx for pointing out the ridiculous Legba. Pluto's face on Pluto, give me a break. In your face sci-fi fans.
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« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2015, 02:52:43 PM »
Yeah; they just do not give a flying f**k do they?

What more can I say?

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Re: A lie 9+ years in the making
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2015, 02:57:58 PM »
How about a proper rebuttal instead of the cowardly responses?
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