unanswered ball earth question from another thread AKA one for the trolls

my next question is a bit harder, assuming that you can't make something out of nothing or what you started with must have come from somewhere can any one explain the sequence of events that lead from at first their was nothing up to the birth of the universe? or in short what happened before the big bang?

my next question is a bit harder, assuming that you can't make something out of nothing or what you started with must have come from somewhere can any one explain the sequence of events that lead from at first their was nothing up to the birth of the universe? or in short what happened before the big bang?

What the hell has this to do with the shape of the planet?

my next question is a bit harder, assuming that you can't make something out of nothing or what you started with must have come from somewhere can any one explain the sequence of events that lead from at first their was nothing up to the birth of the universe? or in short what happened before the big bang?

We don't know. In fact, we have reasons to believe it is impossible to know (Time is a "property" of energy. Acording to physicists, we can't go further than a plank time after the expansion of the singularity because there wasn't any time or space before. Physics only deals with the universe, what exists. Our current understanding of physics doesn't allow us to get any further. That may change in the future, of course. Ask a real physicist about this, though, I'm just telling you the very simpified explanation I was given by professors and popsci writers). However, that doesn't discredit physics at all. Science doesn't and will never have all the answers. It is the proccess of adquiring information what makes it worthy. Is P=NP? Do all non-trivial zeroes of the Riemman Zeta have real part 1/2? Can we solve Navier-Stokes' turbulence? Why does the universe's expansion accelerate? Why can Charge Parity be violated? Can naked singularities exist? Can integers be factorized in polynomial time? We don't know yet. We may never know. But who cares? Lets investigate!

Crab, what has the creation of the universe got to do with the shape of the earth? well everything if space forces all  the planets in it to form a ball and the earth has to be a ball  spinning on its axis around the sun which is in space  to explain day and night sunsets ect, i'm just asking if it's true the earth is a ball floating in space what is this "space" which your globe theory relies on so heavily to work, what's it made of and where did it come from, do you have any photos of it from above looking down that show space as a whole (like NASA have of the globe) because if you don't you must have a believable theory. so lets hear it, where did the universe your globe calls home come from? I'm sure your friend conker would love to help you but  he's already said "We don't know"

Crab, what has the creation of the universe got to do with the shape of the earth? well everything if the earth has to be a globe to spin on its axis around the sun which is in space explains day and night sunsets ect, i'm just asking if thats true what is this "space" which your globe theory needs to work, what's it made of and where did it come from, do you have any photos of it from above looking down that show space as a whole (like NASA have of the globe) because if you don't have any proof you must have a theory so lets hear it, where did the universe your globe calls home come from? I'm sure your friend conker would love to help you but  he's already said "We don't know"

Conker is right,  we don't know,  and we will never know.   Time and space didn't exist,   maybe something else did?    What happened after the big bang is more relevant,  and there are more than enough mysteries to go around.   The shape of the earth isn't one of them.   

So what brought time and space into existence for the globe to form? are you saying god made all the raw materials then nature took over?, you're gonna have to come up with something a bit more tangable than " it just did but i don't know how" before i buy into "your" theory

So you globe earthers believe that the universe and everything in it just "popped" into existence for no particular reason and you don't even have a theory as to why  but  if you grant the globe earth theory just that one miracle all the rest makes sense. jeeze you suckers are gullible. ROTFPMSL explain the miracle on which your fairy tail is based, go on i could do with a giggle!

Crab, what has the creation of the universe got to do with the shape of the earth? well everything if space forces all  the planets in it to form a ball and the earth has to be a ball  spinning on its axis around the sun which is in space  to explain day and night sunsets ect, i'm just asking if it's true the earth is a ball floating in space what is this "space" which your globe theory relies on so heavily to work, what's it made of and where did it come from, do you have any photos of it from above looking down that show space as a whole (like NASA have of the globe) because if you don't you must have a believable theory. so lets hear it, where did the universe your globe calls home come from? I'm sure your friend conker would love to help you but  he's already said "We don't know"

What do you mean by space? It is commonly used as a substitute of "out of earth", or as the actual physical property of space, which is nothing but a measure of distance. Space is a property of matter, composed by at least 3 physical dimensions. I find it a bit weird you doubt the existance of space since it is one of the few physical properties we can directly experience.

So what brought time and space into existence for the globe to form? are you saying god made all the raw materials then nature took over?, you're gonna have to come up with something a bit more tangable than " it just did but i don't know how" before i buy into "your" theory

No one is saying God did it. We are saying that we don't know, and we may even not know. That doesn't mean there is a reason, there might or there might not be. If I think a number, then shoot myself, you will never know the number. Doesn't mean that there wasn't a number, nor that future discoveries will make it possible to know the number. We simply don't know.

So you globe earthers believe that the universe and everything in it just "popped" into existence for no particular reason and you don't even have a theory but  if you grant the theory one miracle all the rest makes sense. jeeze you suckers are gullible. ROTFPMSL

No.

How do you think the universe came into existence, BD?

Rayzor, the beginning of any story is a pretty crucial part and to dismiss it as not relevant when it sets the premise/ context for the story as whole is as good as saying my story makes sense if you don't ask me about the bits that make no sense, and the pre big bang story is the premise needed for the globe earth floating in space to work, if the globe earth was formed from debris left over from the big bang floating in space, my question is where did the debris floating in space (that the globe earth is made from) come from and how was it made. simple question if you don't know and your saying god didn't do it then you must at least have a theory so lets hear it then.

"I find it a bit weird you doubt the existance of space since it is one of the few physical properties we can directly experience".


Conker the only space you are ever going to experience is the one that is evidently between your ears

Rayzor, the beginning of any story is a pretty crucial part and to dismiss it as not relevant when it sets the premise/ context for the story as whole is as good as saying my story makes sense if you don't ask me about the bits that make no sense, and the pre big bang story is the premise needed for the globe earth floating in space to work, if the globe earth was formed from debris left over from the big bang floating in space, my question is where did the debris floating in space (that the globe earth is made from) come from and how was it made. simple question if you don't know and your saying god didn't do it then you must at least have a theory so lets hear it then.

The theory is too complex to just write out on a forum. So let's have some links.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit#Understanding_orbits
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_formation

I linked the simple versions, but you can always read the full ones if you can comprehend them.

"I find it a bit weird you doubt the existance of space since it is one of the few physical properties we can directly experience".


Conker the only space you are ever going to experience is the one that is evidently between your ears

Wow, what a weird head you must have for your two ears be joined.

Anyway, dismissals of insults aside,

Rayzor, the beginning of any story is a pretty crucial part and to dismiss it as not relevant when it sets the premise/ context for the story

First off, a theory isn't a story. It is what the evidence supports. Evidence (not the history of the universe, that's secondary) supports the Earth being round. It doesn't a flat earth. And we aren't dismissing anything. We are being intellectually honest and saying "we don't know, we may never know". I'm not a physicist, so I won't research that, but there are lots and lots of scientists trying to get an answer. They may get an answer. They may not.

the pre big bang story is the premise needed for the globe earth floating in space to work

Not necesarilly. The earth could have always been there. Or any of the other competing hypothesis on the universe that were being tested on the earl 20th century. Of all of those, only the Big Bang made testable predictions that ended up being correct (CMB, for example). That is why the Big Bang theory is accepted.

if the globe earth was formed from debris left over from the big bang floating in space

It wasn't. The Earth is made from the rings of the accretion disk of the early Sun. That disk comes from the nebulae "dust" that existed before the sun, presumably from an earlier star. That's the reason we have heavy elements on Earth, btw. First generation accretion disks did not have elements heavier than iron.

how was it made

Nucleosynthesis attempts to answer where did this matter originally came from and how it formed. It all comes down to the massive surge of energy caused by the singularity. The exact mechanisms are still under debate but it clear that Hydrogen, Helium and Lithium were formed in the early instants of the universe. Other heavier elements were created on supernovas, dying stars, and so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis

simple question

Simple questions may have hard answers. What makes magnetite magnetic?

if you don't know and your saying god didn't do it then you must at least have a theory so lets hear it then.

No, we really don't. In fact, it's better we don't. First off, a theory only happens when it is proven to work. You are refering to a hypothesis. We MAY make hypothesis, but they aren't anything more than that. Some people say there is a foaming multiverse. Some people say the universe is cyclical. We don't know. If fact, we may not know. How can we understand the properties of a multiverse? Does it have different laws of physics? It may have, indeed. We may know, we may not. Investigate!

Stevo-o "How do you think the universe came into existence, BD?" i don't know but i'm not the one promoting a theory that relies on one, i thought the ones promoting that theory might know but it appears they don't have a clue either and no ones working on an answer. its just one giant leap of faith and i don't believe in god so i'm not in the market for miracles and if you don't have a theory that makes any sense, no photographic proof of the big bang then according to round earth philosophy  you have nothing.     

Quayle instead of posting links from wikipedia that you don't understand why not just give us how you think it happened, you guys love extracting theories from people who don't fully  understand it  themselves so you can quote little bits that make them look stupid, now return the favour.i am not asking for links or reasons why that bit of the theory is not important i just want to hear the theory of everything coming from nothing which your theory of a ball in space relies on. cough up!   

if you don't know and your saying god didn't do it then you must at least have a theory so lets hear it then.

 conker quote
"No, we really don't. In fact, it's better we don't. First off, a theory only happens when it is proven to work. You are refering to a hypothesis".

 i think you'll find a theory is just a best guess as how things work, when its proven to work its promoted to fact but a hypothesis is just a theory no one has heard before so lets have your "hypothesis" instead then

Quayle instead of posting links from wikipedia that you don't understand why not just give us how you think it happened, you guys love extracting theories from people who don't fully  understand it  themselves so you can quote little bits that make them look stupid, now return the favour.i am not asking for links or reasons why that bit of the theory is not important i just want to hear the theory of everything coming from nothing which your theory of a ball in space relies on. cough up!

You can't spell my name right and think I don't understand SIMPLFIED Wikipedia articles. I will now step out of this argument and not reply to you anymore because I give up on your stupidity.

sorry i can't spell your name right quayle but if your stepping out of this argument and not replying anymore then there is no need for me to learn how to spell it properly, its a shame your not prepared to make a fool of yourself with your something for nothing miracle explaining theory because i could do with a good laugh

Lets be honest, in reality this globe earth theory reads like an autobiography for a self made man that begins with the line; "At first i had everything"  you guys need to ask more questions about your own theory if you ever want to learn anything new

Lets be honest, in reality this globe earth theory reads like an autobiography for a self made man that begins with the line; "At first i had everything"  you guys need to ask more questions about your own theory if you ever want to learn anything new

"This is a serious forum!".

Dont mess up the thread. There was a topic which you brought up at the start which people started addressing, then you come back and state a new question?!

Hello josan, you seem quite sane and witty, don't tell me these guys are friends of yours. i think at least one of them was a eight year old pretending to be twelve

Whatever force created everything from nothing could have just as easy created something that could be mistaken for something else so why not a flat earth that gets mistaken for a globe in an infinite universe,  if you have to metaphorically grant one miracle for either theory to be true then isn't asking for the least the most realistic.