Flat Earth Map

Hello Everyone,

The link below will take you to a good map of the flat Earth in 1892, for those who hasn't seen it before. Have a good day.

Yendor


http://maps.bpl.org/id/15442

It's not a flat earth map - it's a projection from a sphere.  It's a variation on the North Pole Azimuthal equidistant map.

OK Yendor, use it to plot the shortest course from Cape Horn to Australia...

OK Yendor, use it to plot the shortest course from Cape Horn to Australia...

LuggerSailer,

Have you seen the 'clues 7' Video on Mark Sargent YouTube video's. You should watch it. It is true what he says. I've set for long periods of time watching planes take off from South Africa and head for Australia and just as soon as the plane gets a few miles out to sea it simply disappears. You should try it, it's interesting.

Yendor

I've set for long periods of time watching planes take off from South Africa and head for Australia and just as soon as the plane gets a few miles out to sea it simply disappears.

You mean, it gets too small to see, or it ascends above the clouds?

Or are you suggesting it enables a cloaking device or hops into another dimension?  I'm not sure what your point is.

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 08:54:56 AM

I've set for long periods of time watching planes take off from South Africa and head for Australia and just as soon as the plane gets a few miles out to sea it simply disappears.

You mean, it gets too small to see, or it ascends above the clouds?

Or are you suggesting it enables a cloaking device or hops into another dimension?  I'm not sure what your point is.

Jimmy,

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

I was just repeating what mark Sargent said. I don't see why the airports radar wouldn't be able to track them and keep the little plane icon on the screen. It doesn't, it just goes away. If you then check the flight number the report usually says the plane has already landed or it is not being tracked any long. I don't know what to think. I'm no expert in this area. I just know if I was tracking one of the planes because I had a loved one on board, I'd soon get upset if the plane just dissapears.

Quote from: samvittighed on July 02, 2015, 01:36:05 PM

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

I was just repeating what mark Sargent said. I don't see why the airports radar wouldn't be able to track them and keep the little plane icon on the screen. It doesn't, it just goes away.

See, because transmitted microwaves don't follow the curvature of the Earth, radar is limited to line-of-sight distances. Once an airplane drops over the horizon, there is no way a conventional radar can track it. If the Earth were flat, this wouldn't be a limitation. But it's not, so it is.

That said, there's the practical issue that the radar systems at airports are primarily concerned with aircraft in their own airspace. Once an aircraft leaves the vicinity, they're someone else's responsibility. Even if they could, do you think, say, San Francisco should be responsible for monitoring the position of a departing aircraft all the way to Abu Dahbi?

If you then check the flight number the report usually says the plane has already landed or it is not being tracked any long. I don't know what to think.

You could think that there is no practical way to track routine air traffic over vast open oceans. How would you track an aircraft over a large open ocean, and why provide the information, if it even exists, for free, to random people?

I'm no expert in this area. I just know if I was tracking one of the planes because I had a loved one on board, I'd soon get upset if the plane just dissapears.

Why would you be upset if this is expected to happen? It happens all the time. What do you propose to do about it?

Quote from: samvittighed on July 02, 2015, 01:36:05 PM

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

I was just repeating what mark Sargent said. I don't see why the airports radar wouldn't be able to track them and keep the little plane icon on the screen. It doesn't, it just goes away. If you then check the flight number the report usually says the plane has already landed or it is not being tracked any long. I don't know what to think. I'm no expert in this area. I just know if I was tracking one of the planes because I had a loved one on board, I'd soon get upset if the plane just dissapears.

I debunked this a while back,  some flights can be tracked, it depends on the tracker and the carrier.   I've tracked QF27  before  on flight tracker  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27  and they don't  dissapear.    Not sure exactly why some don't track and others do,  except that some Airlines pay extra for the in-flight engine monitoring systems to be real-time, and that telemetry data goes back to the aircraft manufacturer in real time.   Malaysian Airlines did not have that facility on MH370,  but even if you don't pay for that service there is a satellite based system (SATCOM) that automatically pings every few hours with engine status information,    That system is what helped define the MH370 search area.  Look up MH370 SATCOM if you are interested.  Someone on board MH370 switched off the ACARS transponder.   But forgot ( or didn't know ) about the SATCOM pings.

ADS-B and radar are ground based,  mostly used when in controlled airspace by ground based air controllers,  and you will lose them as soon as you are over the horizon,   maybe a few hundred km.   ACARS works over the globe,  but not all free flight trackers can access all airlines.   Some parts of the globe, ACARS is not mandatory,  (need to research that?)

Here's that post about QF27,  in response to a guy who said it didn't exist.

Here's another geographically challenged idiot.   " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> 

He makes a big thing about  flights by the middle east carriers  going via the middle east.   That's nothing to do with the flat earth, they fly via their hub, so they can get higher seat occupancy.   I've lost count of the number of times I've been stuck in Dubai on Emirates flights.   He then looks up flights from Sydney to Santiago,   ( funny we just discussed that very flight in a current thread ) 

His  conclusion is that the flight doesn't exist.   No justification other than   "I think these flights are fake"   That's it,  that's the whole premise of his presentation in support of a flat earth.   I know a few soccer fans who flew that route on QF27,  they will be surprised to hear their flight doesn't exist.   

If he had taken 5 minutes to plot the flight paths on google earth, instead of google maps, he would have seen that flight paths from Australia to South America,  follow great circle routes.   And the rough estimates of airspeed matches the nominated flight time.   What's more you can go to flight tracker and follow QF27.    There is a flight left at 12:25 Today, so it's still in the air.   http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27




Interesting flight, it goes below 60S,  at the right time of year you could confirm the Antarctic midnight sun.



So much for his unsupported assertion the flight doesn't exist.

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 02:31:43 PM

Quote from: samvittighed on July 02, 2015, 01:36:05 PM

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

I was just repeating what mark Sargent said. I don't see why the airports radar wouldn't be able to track them and keep the little plane icon on the screen. It doesn't, it just goes away. If you then check the flight number the report usually says the plane has already landed or it is not being tracked any long. I don't know what to think. I'm no expert in this area. I just know if I was tracking one of the planes because I had a loved one on board, I'd soon get upset if the plane just dissapears.

I debunked this a while back,  some flights can be tracked, it depends on the tracker and the carrier.   I've tracked QF27  before  on flight tracker  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27  and they don't  dissapear.    Not sure exactly why some don't track and others do,  except that some Airlines pay extra for the in-flight engine monitoring systems to be real-time, and that telemetry data goes back to the aircraft manufacturer in real time.   Malaysian Airlines did not have that facility on MH370,  but even if you don't pay for that service there is a satellite based system (SATCOM) that automatically pings every few hours with engine status information,    That system is what helped define the MH370 search area.  Look up MH370 SATCOM if you are interested.  Someone on board MH370 switched off the ACARS transponder.   But forgot ( or didn't know ) about the SATCOM pings.

ADS-B and radar are ground based,  mostly used when in controlled airspace by ground based air controllers,  and you will lose them as soon as you are over the horizon,   maybe a few hundred km.   ACARS works over the globe,  but not all free flight trackers can access all airlines.   Some parts of the globe, ACARS is not mandatory,  (need to research that?)

Here's that post about QF27,  in response to a guy who said it didn't exist.

Quote from: Rayzor on May 20, 2015, 12:33:53 AM

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He makes a big thing about  flights by the middle east carriers  going via the middle east.   That's nothing to do with the flat earth, they fly via their hub, so they can get higher seat occupancy.   I've lost count of the number of times I've been stuck in Dubai on Emirates flights.   He then looks up flights from Sydney to Santiago,   ( funny we just discussed that very flight in a current thread ) 

His  conclusion is that the flight doesn't exist.   No justification other than   "I think these flights are fake"   That's it,  that's the whole premise of his presentation in support of a flat earth.   I know a few soccer fans who flew that route on QF27,  they will be surprised to hear their flight doesn't exist.   

If he had taken 5 minutes to plot the flight paths on google earth, instead of google maps, he would have seen that flight paths from Australia to South America,  follow great circle routes.   And the rough estimates of airspeed matches the nominated flight time.   What's more you can go to flight tracker and follow QF27.    There is a flight left at 12:25 Today, so it's still in the air.   http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27




Interesting flight, it goes below 60S,  at the right time of year you could confirm the Antarctic midnight sun.



So much for his unsupported assertion the flight doesn't exist.

Great work Rayzor! You could easily make your own channel, but it seems only the snake oil salesmen and charlatans make flat earth channels...

Here's a SAA flight  from JNB to PER  that flew yesterday.    The flight data from the last ADS-B location to being picked up by Perth ATC is estimated.   So ACARS data wasn't available to flightaware.   But the flight times and distances match what you expect for a direct Johannesburg to Perth flight.   

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA280/history/20150701/2015Z/FAOR/YPPH

Looking at the flight logs,  If you compare the estimated position just prior to being picked up on Perth Air Traffic Control Radar  (Aus ATC)  You can see the longitude is off by 3 degrees.   

Thu 14:02:00    -34.1430    108.5951    73°    East              Level    Estimated
Thu 14:02:59    -32.4706    111.2157    72°    East    516    956    41,000     Level    Aus ATC (RADAR)
Thu 14:03:00    -34.0972    108.7693    72°    East              Level    Estimated
Thu 14:04:54    -32.3231    111.5086    59°    Northeast    569    1054    41,000     Level    Aus ATC (RADAR)

Mark Sargent doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Great work Rayzor! You could easily make your own channel, but it seems only the snake oil salesmen and charlatans make flat earth channels...

Thanks,  here's another southern hemisphere flight conspiracy debunked.   I'll repost it here. 

I find it hard to stomach watching some flat earth promotional videos,  the unsubstantiated crap they put out,  just makes you cringe, as they trot out wild assertions and factual errors. 

This video in particular by Nina aka "Zetetic Flat Earth"  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">   since it has flight time information is worth looking at further.

The video author has obviously never bought international tickets and doesn't understand the one free stop option.    This is where you buy a ticket from Johannesburg  to Sao Paulo,  and you can nominate a single stop over, which you get to choose from whatever options are available, in this case one of the options is to fly BA and spend a few days in London.

 
Why not read the lines above where it clearly says SAA offers a direct flight.  Or even notice the little inset map, which shows the flight route?

Instead of trying to find out why you would fly to London,  the video author with pre-conceived notions in mind starts a train of thought that is just plain stupid, suggesting that this is the round earth way to fly from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo  ..  WTF?


And then goes on to point out that the flat earth model using the Gleason map, makes more sense..  well no it doesn't  just goes to show how stupid the author is.


Here is the real flight path on Google Earth.


And here are the real flight arrival and departure times.


Sao Paulo is UTC-3:00 and Johannesburg is UTC+2:00 ,  so departs at 9:00PM UTC and arrives 5:25AM the following morning,  that's  8 hours 25 minutes flying time.

I'm guessing the author of the video has made an honest mistake,  I can sympathize,  but it is so easy to check these sort of facts before going to commit to a video,  for that sake of the hundreds of gullible fools who
will just accept it as being true and so the misinformation and lies propagate.

Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

I'm not going to check out every bit of retardation on the web - life is too short.

If you've got an argument to make, then make it.  Don't just parrot other people's idiocy.

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

I'm not going to check out every bit of retardation on the web - life is too short.

If you've got an argument to make, then make it.  Don't just parrot other people's idiocy.

Jimmy,

You shouldn't feel that way, you should open your mind to events on the other side. You could learn something new. You have plenty of time to watch videos the REers make. Be free & open your mind.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 03, 2015, 04:06:23 AM

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

I'm not going to check out every bit of retardation on the web - life is too short.

If you've got an argument to make, then make it.  Don't just parrot other people's idiocy.

Jimmy,

You shouldn't feel that way, you should open your mind to events on the other side. You could learn something new. You have plenty of time to watch videos the REers make. Be free & open your mind.

My mind is open and I constantly learn stuff, that doesn't mean I want to waste my time looking at every moronic conspiracy theory on the web.  Some stuff is patently absurd, and anyone with their critical facilities intact would see it as such.

Quote from: Yendor on July 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM

I don't know what happens, The plane just disappears when it is over the water. It seems It only happens in the southern Hemisphere. You need to go to one of those real time airplane tracking web sites. Mark Sargent thinks they turn off the GPS tracking for planes in the southern Hemisphere. You should go to his site and check it out.

First let us get one thing clear: GPS satellites transmits data. They do not receive data from airplanes. So for a plane to let others know its position it has to have some way of communicating that. One way of doing that is called ADS-B http://planefinder.net/about/ads-b-how-planefinder-works/

ADS-B requires a ground based antenna. Let us assume that this antenna only reaches a few 100 miles. Then you will lose contact with the plane when it is more than the few 100 miles away from land. In the northern hemisphere there are loads of small islands that could have their own ground based antenna. And since there is more traffic there is probably an incentive to put antennae there to get full coverage. This might not be the case in the southern hemisphere.

To me that is a more likely explanation than "turning off GPS tracking". So if I was really interested, I would do some research on where these ground based antennae are placed and see if that indeed explains it. Keep us posted if you do that.

Just a little review on the air traffic control system. If any thing proves that the earth is a globe it is the factors involved in the radar systems.

This a condensed version of how it works in the USA:

First the air craft is under the control of the airport as it leaves or enters the airport's area  of control. The range of the radar is dependent on design criteria of the radar including limitations due to the curvature of the earth.

Once the aircraft leaves the airport's area of control it is "handed off" to an Air Route Traffic Control Center which has computers to track the aircraft. The aircraft have "transponders" which send back information for  the controller's radar screen to show the aircraft identification , altitude, speed, etc. (GPS does not do the tracking.)

The radar information is supplied from long range radar systems, again depending on design and distances according to the curvature of the earth. An Air Route Traffic Control Center may have several radars feeding information. The radars may be several hundred miles from the ARTCC's.

On  some systems the information was relayed by microwave repeater stations. Again the curvature of the earth is involved.There might be several of these repeaters between the radar station and the ARTCC. Again these stations are spaced according to the maximum distance according to the curvature of the earth.

 Also each controller may only control a small area.  The ARTCC controls many "sectors" and again one sector may hand off an aircraft to an adjacent sector as the aircraft continues to its final destination.

It does seem a bit complicated when a short explanation is attempted.

But the basic point is that the curvature of the earth plays a big part in air traffic control. Why ?
Because the earth is a globe.

If the earth was flat, in the USA there would be no need for so many ARTCC's , so many radar stations and so many microwave repeater stations. But the earth is a globe and the system works that way and has to be designed accordingly. Why ?
Because the earth is globe.

Also the range of the radios used for communication between pilots and controllers is limited by the curvature of the earth. There is also the need for ARTCC to aircraft communications. Spacing of remote transmitter-receiver stations and means to relay the information is required. Again, what is involved ? The curvature of the earth.
Why ? Because the earth is a globe.
 

If only the FAA would have hired some flat earth scientists and engineers, the  air traffic control system wouldn't have had to be so complicated !  LOL.

You guys all are explaining to me and that is fine. Please watch the video, it is only 10 min. long, then we can discuss it.

This is the link:

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This is another video similar to the above link, you can watch it if you like.

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That's almost too stupid for words.

Over-long as well, they should have cut it by 10:13

Quote from: Yendor on July 03, 2015, 02:18:41 PM

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That's almost too stupid for words.

Over-long as well, they should have cut it by 10:13

Jimmy,

Did you try it and did you see any planes disappear?

Yendor, I've seen lots of planes and I've travelled by them all over the world.  None have ever disappeared.

What, exactly, are you suggesting happens to the magical disappearing planes?

Yendor, I've seen lots of planes and I've travelled by them all over the world.  None have ever disappeared.

What, exactly, are you suggesting happens to the magical disappearing planes?

Jimmy, I'm not saying they disappear, POOF they are gone. I'm saying they disappear from the map that shows their position as they are tracked to their destination. Then suddenly they disappear off the map. Don't you live someplace in the southern hemisphere? You should want to see it happen.

Jimmy, I'm not saying they disappear, POOF they are gone. I'm saying they disappear from the map that shows their position as they are tracked to their destination. Then suddenly they disappear off the map.

The reason for this has been extensively detailed already - why are you still confused by it?

Don't you live someplace in the southern hemisphere? You should want to see it happen.

Why should where I live have any bearing on what I can see on a flight tracker website?

Quote from: Yendor on July 03, 2015, 02:18:41 PM

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That's almost too stupid for words.

Over-long as well, they should have cut it by 10:13

I watched it, too. Is it "It's so stupid it's funny" or is it really "It's so stupid it's not funny" ? It would take  much to much space to explain why 10:13 of it is so stupid.
There is a lot of good stuff on the Internet and there is a lot of garbage. You can form your own opinions about which is which.

You guys are right. I guess I should have never expected any interest from you. Sorry I even mentioned it.

You guys are right. I guess I should have never expected any interest from you.

Interest in what, exactly?  Why some flights aren't tracked for their entire journey?  Rayzor has written some very detailed posts on the subject - yet you just stick your head in the sand and continue on with your vague innuendo.

You guys are right. I guess I should have never expected any interest from you. Sorry I even mentioned it.

Mark Sargent doesn't understand that flight trackers mostly use ADS-B  which I explained earlier in this thread,   he's seeing a conspiracy where there is only his ignorance.

Just to say it again,  those trackers are not using GPS.   If you want to follow a flight beyond ADS-B range, then you need ACARS.   

I would have thought Yendor, that  given your experience with UAV's on 900 Mhz  that it's not surprising to see planes fly out of range?

He mentions QF27,  which I already followed once before,  and in the flight logs you can see where it gets picked up again by ADS-B,  and notice that the estimated position is different to the actual position by  however much the flight has deviated during the flight.   But not more than you'd expect for a long haul flight.   This is from yesterday's log.

Sun 00:34:00    -38.0108    -77.2075    50°    Northeast              Level    FlightAware Approximate
Sun 00:35:00    -37.9313    -77.0859    50°    Northeast              Level    FlightAware Approximate
Sun 00:35:11    -34.5242    -71.5120    28°    Northeast    490    908    32,000     Level    FlightAware ADS-B (SCLC)
Sun 00:35:39    -34.4684    -71.4752    28°    Northeast    480    888    31,200    -2,031 Descending    FlightAware ADS-B (SCLC)
Sun 00:36:16    -34.3971    -71.4277    28°    Northeast    473    875    29,800    -2,597 Descending    FlightAware ADS-B (SCLC)

Found a map that should explain a few things.

http://imgur.com/mVOCwIH

Ha!

Found a map that should explain a few things.

http://imgur.com/mVOCwIH

Makes me want to move to Australia!