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In the situation described below, what would you do?

Kill Hitler
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Not kill Hitler
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Kill me and steal my time machine
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Would You Kill Hitler?

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JohnTitor

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Would You Kill Hitler?
« on: July 01, 2015, 04:01:24 PM »
I've been asked to do this often enough. While your answers won't change my actions, I thought I'd ask the same thing back to you.

Imagine I took you back to the 1920s/30s in my time machine, handed you a gun, or knife, or poison capsule, or any kind of weapon you wanted, and gave you the chance to kill Hitler.
I'd also tell you nothing about the effect changing time would have. Perhaps the world would end in a paradox because you couldn't go back to kill Hitler if you'd already killed him: perhaps the world would conspire against you. Perhaps something similar would happen anyway, perhaps someone worse would take the reigns, or perhaps WW2 would never happen and everything would be good.

What would you do, and why?
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 04:26:34 PM »
Some Nazi would end up taking his place. Maybe that Nazi would be smarter, and win WW2. Wouldn't risk it.
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Scroto Gaggins

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 04:29:24 PM »
I wouldn't kill him because of the paradoxical nature of the aftermath.
Also, because the world right now is not a bad one, and this world had Hitler.

I probably also wouldn't exist, as my grandmother is only here because some GI wanted to stay.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 04:38:12 PM »
I'd kill you and steal your time machine. Absolutely.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 06:45:22 PM »
Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on July 01, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
I wouldn't kill him because of the paradoxical nature of the aftermath.
Also, because the world right now is not a bad one, and this world had Hitler.

I probably also wouldn't exist, as my grandmother is only here because some GI wanted to stay.
Well, I wouldn't say the world right now isn't bad, but it isn't bad for ME.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 08:06:22 PM »
I would imagine, John, you get far more requests to kill 2160's Hitler than 1920/30's Hitler.


On a side that will be paradoxically longer than the already addressed main point, I was in a bar once and a patron asked if any of us could go back in time and kill one person, who would it be. Before giving anyone a chance to reply, he promised that his responce was both brilliant and would save thousands, if not millions of lives. Naturally, someone says Hitler and the man says his answer is better. Immediately, I knew his response was going to be the Muslim prophet Muhammad, but I listened politely instead of spoiling his fun. Rather than just saying Muhammad though, he individually asks everyone who they would choose. When he gets to me, I answer Jesus. Seems to me it would save just as many lives as Muhammad. The man stairs at me blankly then predictably answers, "No, Muhammad." It was at this moment I realized that this man was stupid.
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Scroto Gaggins

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 04:31:38 AM »
Quote from: Techros on July 01, 2015, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on July 01, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
I wouldn't kill him because of the paradoxical nature of the aftermath.
Also, because the world right now is not a bad one, and this world had Hitler.

I probably also wouldn't exist, as my grandmother is only here because some GI wanted to stay.
Well, I wouldn't say the world right now isn't bad, but it isn't bad for ME.
When you consider the state of the world in the past, then right now is definitely an improvement.
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JohnTitor

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 04:36:01 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on July 01, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
I would imagine, John, you get far more requests to kill 2160's Hitler than 1920/30's Hitler.

I can't speak as to 2160, but in my time there's no such figure. Dictators are a different breed: they're organizations, more than people. If it's a technology that gets them their power, a group worked on the project, for example. It would be far harder to pull off an assassination.

This is also no more than a thought experiment. It is not as easy to change time as this era seems to believe.
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Scroto Gaggins

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 06:21:41 AM »
Quote from: JohnTitor on July 02, 2015, 04:36:01 AM
Quote from: Pongo on July 01, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
I would imagine, John, you get far more requests to kill 2160's Hitler than 1920/30's Hitler.

I can't speak as to 2160, but in my time there's no such figure. Dictators are a different breed: they're organizations, more than people. If it's a technology that gets them their power, a group worked on the project, for example. It would be far harder to pull off an assassination.

This is also no more than a thought experiment. It is not as easy to change time as this era seems to believe.
John, what is Australia like in the future?
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JohnTitor

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 07:45:49 AM »
Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on July 02, 2015, 06:21:41 AM
Quote from: JohnTitor on July 02, 2015, 04:36:01 AM
Quote from: Pongo on July 01, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
I would imagine, John, you get far more requests to kill 2160's Hitler than 1920/30's Hitler.

I can't speak as to 2160, but in my time there's no such figure. Dictators are a different breed: they're organizations, more than people. If it's a technology that gets them their power, a group worked on the project, for example. It would be far harder to pull off an assassination.

This is also no more than a thought experiment. It is not as easy to change time as this era seems to believe.
John, what is Australia like in the future?

I wouldn't know. There's barely any international travel in the future. I doubt it would be different to the US though. Low technological level overall, with the only real machines being operated by CERN with little public use. Fear.
There's another thread where you can ask me about the future. I'm happy to answer questions, I just know how off-topic this can make things.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2015, 06:31:39 AM »
I think that it would have been better to kill Hitler probably around the time of D-Day or so.  WWII was probably inevitable, so killing Hitler to shorten the war (and keep Stalin from taking over so much of eastern Europe) would have been a more practical solution.
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GreatandWiseTrixie

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM »
A philosopher's job is to ask the question of WHY?

So, why did Jews move into Germany in the first place?

An organism, moves into places of safety, comfort.

Germany was a safe place, as well as luxurious, and state of the art.

The Jew religion was founded on two things - money and genocide.

Throughout the Bible, the Jews have a history of being good at three things - acquiring money, genociding non-Jews, and fighting amongst their own tribes.

FACT - Hitler was a Jew.

FACT - The Jews in Germany were wealthy, and powerful families.

So, how does a wealthy, powerful family of Jews, sit back, helpless to stop an attack from an inferior party?

It does not.

Quite simply, the Nazi party was founded by Jews.

It was founded to accomplish two tasks - To wipe out a certain Jew tribe, Dan, and to garner world sympathy for the Jews, so they could invade Israel and perform their real goal - exterminating the Arabs.

FACT - Jews are right now, working on DNA weapons to exterminate Arabs and Honorable Black People.

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 10:21:17 PM »
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
FACT - Jews are right now, working on DNA weapons to exterminate Arabs and Honorable Black People.

That made me laugh. Thank you.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 10:26:37 PM »
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Throughout the Bible, the Jews have a history of being good at three things - acquiring money, genociding non-Jews, and fighting amongst their own tribes.

The bible is mostly ruminant odure. Sodoom and Gomorrah didn't really happen like the bible describes. The Jews were never very powerful, and weren't able to do much genociding compared to say, the mongols.
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GreatandWiseTrixie

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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2015, 06:09:21 AM »
Quote from: kman on July 14, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Throughout the Bible, the Jews have a history of being good at three things - acquiring money, genociding non-Jews, and fighting amongst their own tribes.

The bible is mostly ruminant odure. Sodoom and Gomorrah didn't really happen like the bible describes. The Jews were never very powerful, and weren't able to do much genociding compared to say, the mongols.

Never said I liked mongols either. Infact, I hate China.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2015, 08:53:43 AM »
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 15, 2015, 06:09:21 AM
Quote from: kman on July 14, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Throughout the Bible, the Jews have a history of being good at three things - acquiring money, genociding non-Jews, and fighting amongst their own tribes.

The bible is mostly ruminant odure. Sodoom and Gomorrah didn't really happen like the bible describes. The Jews were never very powerful, and weren't able to do much genociding compared to say, the mongols.

Never said I liked mongols either. Infact, I hate China.

You've missed the point and displayed an ignorance of geography and anthropology. Mongols and chinese are totally different.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2015, 12:34:15 PM »
There was an old video game "Tiitanic : Adventure Out Of Time". It was something of a scavenger hunt. There were a number of objects for you to find them, collect them and get off the Titanic safely. "You"are playing the role of a British Agent who was sent back in time to do this.

If "you won the game" all the bad things that have happened did not happen and the  result was an ideal world. However, if you missed even only one object, things were even worse that what really happened. I played the game several times and even "won" a few games.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2015, 01:19:05 PM »
Quote from: kman on July 15, 2015, 08:53:43 AM
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 15, 2015, 06:09:21 AM
Quote from: kman on July 14, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: GreatandWiseTrixie on July 12, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Throughout the Bible, the Jews have a history of being good at three things - acquiring money, genociding non-Jews, and fighting amongst their own tribes.

The bible is mostly ruminant odure. Sodoom and Gomorrah didn't really happen like the bible describes. The Jews were never very powerful, and weren't able to do much genociding compared to say, the mongols.

Never said I liked mongols either. Infact, I hate China.

You've missed the point and displayed an ignorance of geography and anthropology. Mongols and chinese are totally different.
I don't go to mongolian barbecues that's all I know.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2015, 08:44:30 AM »
I'd kill Julius Caesar - I'll never forgive the genocide he committed on my Gaulish brethren.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2015, 11:01:57 AM »
Why bother talking about something that doesn't matter whatsoever? You can't really prove time travel despite your pseudo-science babble, and if the multiworld theory is to be believed, it's more of a matter of choosing your reality than going back and changing things.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2015, 12:26:44 PM »
Quote from: E-man on July 18, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
if the multiworld theory is to be believed, it's more of a matter of choosing your reality than going back and changing things.

It's not quite that simple. Only one reality is real. If you change an event in the past, it changes the future: but the events that occur can't be anything, they can only be events that exist on a (nearby) worldline.
There are multiple possibilities, but only one is real.
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Re: Would You Kill Hitler?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2015, 04:53:27 PM »
Quote from: E-man on July 18, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
Why bother talking about something that doesn't matter whatsoever? You can't really prove time travel despite your pseudo-science babble, and if the multiworld theory is to be believed, it's more of a matter of choosing your reality than going back and changing things.
Have a listen to Stewart Swerdlow. He reckons the montauk project was about time travelling and he was sent back to get a blood sample from Jesus whilst being crucified. I never said it was true, but it is entertaining, I'm as convinced that it IS true as i am of the whole flat earth thing, i.e. I just don't know for 100%, but I keep an open mind on most issues.
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