Airplanes taking off and landing on a spinning earth.

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Is your point that the honey doesn't move with the metal ball, so therefore the atmosphere won't move with the ground on a spinning Earth?

This experiment does not at all simulate Earth and its atmosphere. First of all, the ball isn't filled all the way with honey, so the honey will fall to the bottom of the ball. Earth has no "bottom" so this wouldn't happen on a spinning globe. Second, there is no force attracting the honey to the metal ball. In real life, the force of gravity attracts the atmosphere to the ground. This video proves nothing.

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Explaining that is easy.

The honey flows to the bottom of the ball along with the smaller ball, which makes the center of mass very low.  When you put it on an inclined plane the ball tilts forward but the center of mass is so far Dow that it ends up above the point the ball is being supported by, but since the honey slowly flows the center of mass starts slowly moving to the bottom which allows the ball to roll forward a bit more.  This breaks no laws of physics and I am not supprised at all that it happens.

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 01:07:30 AM

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Explaining that is easy.

The honey flows to the bottom of the ball along with the smaller ball, which makes the center of mass very low.  When you put it on an inclined plane the ball tilts forward but the center of mass is so far Dow that it ends up above the point the ball is being supported by, but since the honey slowly flows the center of mass starts slowly moving to the bottom which allows the ball to roll forward a bit more.  This breaks no laws of physics and I am not supprised at all that it happens.

The honey is counteracting  by  being liquefied it continuously wants to return to  level . This common every day action , tells us the earth  is not  spinning . If its not spinning , then it makes the notion of believing earth to be spherical a concept of  insanity to follow.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on June 30, 2015, 11:35:35 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 01:07:30 AM

What a bunch of blow hard try hards.Trains planes & parrot talk . Explain the inertia . Magic Gravity Ball - physical experience: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Explaining that is easy.

The honey flows to the bottom of the ball along with the smaller ball, which makes the center of mass very low.  When you put it on an inclined plane the ball tilts forward but the center of mass is so far Dow that it ends up above the point the ball is being supported by, but since the honey slowly flows the center of mass starts slowly moving to the bottom which allows the ball to roll forward a bit more.  This breaks no laws of physics and I am not supprised at all that it happens.

The honey is counteracting  by  being liquefied it continuously wants to return to  level . This common every day action , tells us the earth  is not  spinning . If its not spinning , then it makes the notion of believing earth to be spherical a concept of  insanity to follow.

Actually the reason it wants to do that is because of gravity which makes the honey level, which should not be mistaken for flat.  Level means it follows the curvature of the Earth, just like the oceans do.  This experiment is ambiguous about the shape of the Earth, because this behavior can be expected no matter what shape the Earth is.

Here ya go, an analogy to the logic of charles on this subject. 
Hey birds fly in the air above our heads, therefore turtles can't have sex.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on June 30, 2015, 11:35:35 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 01:07:30 AM

What a bunch of blow hard try hards.Trains planes & parrot talk . Explain the inertia . Magic Gravity Ball - physical experience: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Explaining that is easy.

The honey flows to the bottom of the ball along with the smaller ball, which makes the center of mass very low.  When you put it on an inclined plane the ball tilts forward but the center of mass is so far Dow that it ends up above the point the ball is being supported by, but since the honey slowly flows the center of mass starts slowly moving to the bottom which allows the ball to roll forward a bit more.  This breaks no laws of physics and I am not supprised at all that it happens.

The honey is counteracting  by  being liquefied it continuously wants to return to  level . This common every day action , tells us the earth  is not  spinning . If its not spinning , then it makes the notion of believing earth to be spherical a concept of  insanity to follow.

I know you don't understand this, but this experiment actually shows that the atmosphere can follow the ground. Because the honey is vicious, it will stick to the ball and rotate with it. However, once the ball and the honey rotate, gravity pulls down on the honey harder than it pulls down on the air, causing the honey to sink. So, all this experiment shows is that a viscous fluid inside a ball will rotate with the ball. As it so happens, air is a viscous fluid.

Quote from: Ski on June 26, 2015, 07:25:12 PM

Quote from: josan on June 26, 2015, 01:36:26 PM

I have seen various discussions in this forum regarding "issues" with aircraft taking off and landing on a spinning earth as opposed to a stationary earth. Majority of these "issues" are basically due to failure to comprehend  1. Relative velocity 2. Frame of reference 3. The Frame of reference in which the observer is there.

I've not been around much lately, so I'm not up to date on who is spewing what at the moment, but the actual flat earth believers I know by and large have a firmer grasp on relativity and frames than the typical globularist poster.

I suspect whoever said that either said it in jest or was trolling for a response or trying to besmirch the movement.

Does that include everyone here who claims a plane can only fly in one direction on a rotating globe?

I should think so

I've given up on mathematical explanations and example explanations for relative velocities.

These days I just call them out when they switch frames of reference, because that's really all it boils down to.

Precisely. I'll be happy to point out the nonsense of alleged flat earthers when you point me to it, if you'll start doing the same for your fellow globularists.

Quote from: Dog on June 28, 2015, 03:31:46 PM

I've given up on mathematical explanations and example explanations for relative velocities.

These days I just call them out when they switch frames of reference, because that's really all it boils down to.

Precisely. I'll be happy to point out the nonsense of alleged flat earthers when you point me to it, if you'll start doing the same for your fellow globularists.

No help needed to find flat earth nonsense,  there's enough to go around. 

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 02:36:48 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on June 30, 2015, 11:35:35 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 01:07:30 AM

What a bunch of blow hard try hards.Trains planes & parrot talk . Explain the inertia . Magic Gravity Ball - physical experience: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Explaining that is easy.

The honey flows to the bottom of the ball along with the smaller ball, which makes the center of mass very low.  When you put it on an inclined plane the ball tilts forward but the center of mass is so far Dow that it ends up above the point the ball is being supported by, but since the honey slowly flows the center of mass starts slowly moving to the bottom which allows the ball to roll forward a bit more.  This breaks no laws of physics and I am not supprised at all that it happens.

The honey is counteracting  by  being liquefied it continuously wants to return to  level . This common every day action , tells us the earth  is not  spinning . If its not spinning , then it makes the notion of believing earth to be spherical a concept of  insanity to follow.

Actually the reason it wants to do that is because of gravity which makes the honey level, which should not be mistaken for flat.  Level means it follows the curvature of the Earth, just like the oceans do.  This experiment is ambiguous about the shape of the Earth, because this behavior can be expected no matter what shape the Earth is.

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

Here ya go, an analogy to the logic of charles on this subject. 
Hey birds fly in the air above our heads, therefore turtles can't have sex.

You really need to buy some mouth wash for that cock breath your sporting .

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

Here ya' go:

a :  having no part higher than another :  conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface

We aims to please.

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

That's a blatant false equivocation and you know it. The dictionary will not provide you with a proper definition of every word in every context. The dictionary gives the everyday usage of a word, but does not provide context. In this context, the word "level" means "perpendicular to the vector of net forces". The vector of net forces acting on water at rest on the surface of the earth points towards the center of the earth. Therefore, in order for the water to be level, the surface of the water must be perpendicular to the direction of the center of the earth. This means that the surface of the water will curve, because the vector of combined forces faces a slightly different direction at each point on the surface of the water.

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 10:15:33 PM

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

Here ya' go:

Quote from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level, Entry 3

a :  having no part higher than another :  conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface

We aims to please.

Well thats an interesting interpretation.  How do you maintain same hights & level plane at the same time ?
Its amazing how contrived the world has become & the lengths the  spherical crew will go to propergate their garbage.
Thankfully no one who has to level things for a living follows such shit talk.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 30, 2015, 10:31:35 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 10:15:33 PM

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

Here ya' go:

Quote from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level, Entry 3

a :  having no part higher than another :  conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface

We aims to please.

Well thats an interesting interpretation.  How do you maintain same hights & level plane at the same time ?
Its amazing how contrived the world has become & the lengths the  spherical crew will go to propergate their garbage.
Thankfully no one who has to level things for a living follows such shit talk.

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Just so everyone's clear, there is no law of physics that states that the surface of water must be flat. However, fluids with unbalanced forces acting on them will tend to form a surface that is perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on them. On a round earth, the combined forces acting on a fluid, mainly gravity, have a different direction at every point on the earth. This results in bodies of water with surfaces that are curved.

Just so everyone's clear, there is no law of physics that states that the surface of water must be flat. However, fluids with unbalanced forces acting on them will tend to form a surface that is perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on them. On a round earth, the combined forces acting on a fluid, mainly gravity, have a different direction at every point on the earth. This results in bodies of water with surfaces that are curved.

Name me some?

 Only naive people would believe water curves. There's a reason why things are called LEVEL. And water LEVEL is not a water CURVE or HUMP.
You people need to start smartening up and taking the morning bus back into reality. You've had your star trek fantasies and what not, so remember them as fantasies and concentrate on seeing your world in a more realistic form, which means, you really need to stop with this water curve nonsense.

Name me some?

One great example is a whirlpool:


They spin and the centripetal force combined with gravity means that the net force is at an angle, so therefore the surface of the water is at an angle.

Quote from: Poko on July 01, 2015, 01:29:01 AM

Just so everyone's clear, there is no law of physics that states that the surface of water must be flat. However, fluids with unbalanced forces acting on them will tend to form a surface that is perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on them. On a round earth, the combined forces acting on a fluid, mainly gravity, have a different direction at every point on the earth. This results in bodies of water with surfaces that are curved.

Name me some?

 Only naive people would believe water curves. There's a reason why things are called LEVEL. And water LEVEL is not a water CURVE or HUMP.
You people need to start smartening up and taking the morning bus back into reality. You've had your star trek fantasies and what not, so remember them as fantasies and concentrate on seeing your world in a more realistic form, which means, you really need to stop with this water curve nonsense.

Name you some of what?

Also, I've explained this before. The word "level" means different things in different contexts. You can't take the meaning of the word in one context and apply it in another context and expect it to work. The word "level" in this context, as I've said several times before, means perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on the fluid. On a round earth, a surface of water with a non-zero area is not going to be straight. There is absolutely nothing in physics that makes it impossible for the surface of water to be curved.

You could curve water yourself if you like. You can ride the vomit-comet aircraft to experience weightlessness, and if you squirt some water out of a bottle, the water will stick together in a ball. This is because it is energetically favorable for a body of water to take the shape of least surface area, which is a sphere. That's the same reason that water droplets are roughly spherical.

I agree that the idea of curved water is a little hard to wrap your head around at first, but it makes perfect sense when you understand the physics behind it.

They spin and the centripetal force combined with gravity means that the net force is at an angle, so therefore the surface of the water is at an angle.

I would avoid bringing up whirlpools in a conversation with a flat-earther, mikeman. They're going to think you're referring to the Coriolis effect, probably because they don't read posts before responding to them

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 01, 2015, 12:39:15 AM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 30, 2015, 10:31:35 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on June 30, 2015, 10:15:33 PM

Not to confuse it with level lol . Level is level !!! Find me a dictionary where it states level is a  curvature ?

Here ya' go:

Quote from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level, Entry 3

a :  having no part higher than another :  conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface

We aims to please.

Well thats an interesting interpretation.  How do you maintain same hights & level plane at the same time ?
Its amazing how contrived the world has become & the lengths the  spherical crew will go to propergate their garbage.
Thankfully no one who has to level things for a living follows such shit talk.

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Here ya go , tell us all about the magical curviture  I'm not seeing http://www.history.com/news/9-fascinating-facts-about-the-suez-canal .

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 12:49:12 AM

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Here ya go , tell us all about the magical curviture  I'm not seeing http://www.history.com/news/9-fascinating-facts-about-the-suez-canal .

Can you quote or point out the part of that article that refers to curvature or non-curvature? I'm not seeing it. The only reference to surveys in there mentions an erroneous survey in 1798 that was later corrected (No. 2. in the article).

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 01, 2015, 07:48:56 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 12:49:12 AM

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Here ya go , tell us all about the magical curviture  I'm not seeing http://www.history.com/news/9-fascinating-facts-about-the-suez-canal .

Can you quote or point out the part of that article that refers to curvature or non-curvature? I'm not seeing it. The only reference to surveys in there mentions an erroneous survey in 1798 that was later corrected (No. 2. in the article).

Its blatantly obvious .They dug a  canal  of a consistent depth  over a 100 miles & joined up two seas . It has no locks in it .  So where is the phucking curvature . You know I'm so feed up with you devious  persons . At what point do you things for a better word . Devalope a conscience & for once in your lives stop lying & living a lie , its discusting behavior I just cant understand.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on July 01, 2015, 08:13:19 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 01, 2015, 07:48:56 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 12:49:12 AM

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Here ya go , tell us all about the magical curviture  I'm not seeing http://www.history.com/news/9-fascinating-facts-about-the-suez-canal .

Can you quote or point out the part of that article that refers to curvature or non-curvature? I'm not seeing it. The only reference to surveys in there mentions an erroneous survey in 1798 that was later corrected (No. 2. in the article).

Its blatantly obvious .They dug a  canal  of a consistent depth  over a 100 miles & joined up two seas . It has no locks in it .  So where is the phucking curvature . You know I'm so feed up with you devious  persons . At what point do you things for a better word . Devalope a conscience & for once in your lives stop lying & living a lie , its discusting behavior I just cant understand.

That is perfectly possible on a round earth. Learn what topographic maps and contour lines are.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on July 01, 2015, 08:13:19 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 01, 2015, 07:48:56 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 12:49:12 AM

Seems you know nothing about geodetic surveying,   what was the longest straight fence you ever did?

Here ya go , tell us all about the magical curviture  I'm not seeing http://www.history.com/news/9-fascinating-facts-about-the-suez-canal .

Can you quote or point out the part of that article that refers to curvature or non-curvature? I'm not seeing it. The only reference to surveys in there mentions an erroneous survey in 1798 that was later corrected (No. 2. in the article).

Its blatantly obvious .They dug a  canal  of a consistent depth  over a 100 miles & joined up two seas . It has no locks in it . 

What's blatantly obvious is that you don't know how the word 'depth' applies. Remember the definition of level you asked for?

conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface

Depth is measured below this curved surface. Besides, what matters is the surface elevation of water in the canal, not its depth.

So where is the [expletive deleted] curvature .

The surface of the water in the canal follows the curved surface of the Geoid. It may be hard to notice because the Geoid is really, really, big compared with the size of the canal, but it's there.

At what point do you things for a better word .

Right now I'm fighting ignorance and superstition. The ignorance and superstition is strong with some here!

Devalope a conscience & for once in your lives stop lying & living a lie , its discusting behavior I just cant understand.

There's a lot you don't seem to understand: fact from fantasy, truth from lies, "disgusting behavior" from goodness, so no surprise here.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 01:43:03 AM

Name me some?

One great example is a whirlpool:


They spin and the centripetal force combined with gravity means that the net force is at an angle, so therefore the surface of the water is at an angle.

The more you keep putting crap up like this, the more that normal logical people can see how people like you try your utmost to keep your bullshit alive, so carry on.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 01:43:03 AM

Quote from: Poko on July 01, 2015, 01:29:01 AM

Just so everyone's clear, there is no law of physics that states that the surface of water must be flat. However, fluids with unbalanced forces acting on them will tend to form a surface that is perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on them. On a round earth, the combined forces acting on a fluid, mainly gravity, have a different direction at every point on the earth. This results in bodies of water with surfaces that are curved.

Name me some?

 Only naive people would believe water curves. There's a reason why things are called LEVEL. And water LEVEL is not a water CURVE or HUMP.
You people need to start smartening up and taking the morning bus back into reality. You've had your star trek fantasies and what not, so remember them as fantasies and concentrate on seeing your world in a more realistic form, which means, you really need to stop with this water curve nonsense.

Name you some of what?

Also, I've explained this before. The word "level" means different things in different contexts. You can't take the meaning of the word in one context and apply it in another context and expect it to work. The word "level" in this context, as I've said several times before, means perpendicular to the direction of the combined forces acting on the fluid. On a round earth, a surface of water with a non-zero area is not going to be straight. There is absolutely nothing in physics that makes it impossible for the surface of water to be curved.

You could curve water yourself if you like. You can ride the vomit-comet aircraft to experience weightlessness, and if you squirt some water out of a bottle, the water will stick together in a ball. This is because it is energetically favorable for a body of water to take the shape of least surface area, which is a sphere. That's the same reason that water droplets are roughly spherical.

I agree that the idea of curved water is a little hard to wrap your head around at first, but it makes perfect sense when you understand the physics behind it.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 01, 2015, 02:01:11 AM

They spin and the centripetal force combined with gravity means that the net force is at an angle, so therefore the surface of the water is at an angle.

I would avoid bringing up whirlpools in a conversation with a flat-earther, mikeman. They're going to think you're referring to the Coriolis effect, probably because they don't read posts before responding to them

Desperate as ever. Keep it up. You and simple boy are doing a great job looking foolish.

I can picture you and your clowns on a building site  or on a lake trying to tell anyone who will listen that level doesn't mean level. 

Still no answer for the physics numerical.

Still no answer for the physics numerical.

josan and the organauts.

So I say to any reader who is trying to be unbiased.  Please read over the responses from both sides.  Notice which ones are the most juvenile and which ones do the most to actually try to explain something.  Once you compile your list of users and their behavior here, please look at whether or not you end up with the same two groups representing FE and RE. 

Quote from: josan on July 01, 2015, 10:36:57 AM

Still no answer for the physics numerical.

josan and the organauts.

What is "organaut" ??