What About The ISS?

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What About The ISS?
« on: June 26, 2015, 12:27:52 PM »
If the Earth is "flat" then how can the ISS and every other satellite fly around the Earth?

                     If Earth is flat, does that make everything in space flat?
 (no)
The gravitational pull of EVERY OBJECT IS SPACE causes it to be impossible to be flat.

   Care to explain?

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mikeman7918

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 02:18:51 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 02:26:11 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:


If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 02:34:59 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:


If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.

That photo was taken by an ordinary person with a telescope.  There are many images like it all over the internet from people who photographed the ISS using equipment you can buy yourself if you want.  I am even thinking about aiming my telescope at the ISS and seeing what I see.  I'll let you know if it looks like anything other then a space station.

Also, I will do more then just post a photo of Earth, here is a live video stream from the ISS:

Live_ISS_Stream on USTREAM: Live video from the International Space Station includes internal views when the crew is on-duty and Earth views at other times...

I would love to know how you think they fake that.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 02:36:45 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:


If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.

That photo was taken by an ordinary person with a telescope.  There are many images like it all over the internet from people who photographed the ISS using equipment you can buy yourself if you want.  I am even thinking about aiming my telescope at the ISS and seeing what I see.  I'll let you know if it looks like anything other then a space station.

Also, I will do more then just post a photo of Earth, here is a live video stream from the ISS:

Live_ISS_Stream on USTREAM: Live video from the International Space Station includes internal views when the crew is on-duty and Earth views at other times...

I would love to know how you think they fake that.
with billion dollar my grandmother would be able to fake it.

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mikeman7918

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 02:38:39 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:


If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.

That photo was taken by an ordinary person with a telescope.  There are many images like it all over the internet from people who photographed the ISS using equipment you can buy yourself if you want.  I am even thinking about aiming my telescope at the ISS and seeing what I see.  I'll let you know if it looks like anything other then a space station.

Also, I will do more then just post a photo of Earth, here is a live video stream from the ISS:

Live_ISS_Stream on USTREAM: Live video from the International Space Station includes internal views when the crew is on-duty and Earth views at other times...

I would love to know how you think they fake that.
with billion dollar my grandmother would be able to fake it.

You should look at the feed when there is a thunderstorm over you and when the ISS is over your head.  If you don't see a thunderstorm from the live feed then you know it's fake.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 02:51:35 PM »
This point has been made many times on this forum.  The most popular explanations are that there is a conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth which puts up balloons which somehow travel in jet-streams at 17,000 miles per hour.  Some think that the ISS is a jet flying around with the afterburner on that somehow looks like this from Earth:


If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.

That photo was taken by an ordinary person with a telescope.  There are many images like it all over the internet from people who photographed the ISS using equipment you can buy yourself if you want.  I am even thinking about aiming my telescope at the ISS and seeing what I see.  I'll let you know if it looks like anything other then a space station.

Also, I will do more then just post a photo of Earth, here is a live video stream from the ISS:

Live_ISS_Stream on USTREAM: Live video from the International Space Station includes internal views when the crew is on-duty and Earth views at other times...

I would love to know how you think they fake that.
with billion dollar my grandmother would be able to fake it.

You should look at the feed when there is a thunderstorm over you and when the ISS is over your head.  If you don't see a thunderstorm from the live feed then you know it's fake.
I already saw a video where there is a mistake like that with satellite so I know it can happen with the ISS.
I saw the Live stream - and the earth seems flat like coin but that doesn't mean it's not cgi because it either cgi or animation or when you take the camera and point it to sky and show it like you above the sky, despite you are below.
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2015, 10:35:23 PM »
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

You weren't supposed to see those bubbles.   ;D 



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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2015, 10:41:24 PM »
If you think this photo is not fake why don't you just show us the earth from space this will be ultimately proof.



Proof enough?
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2015, 10:57:47 PM »
I already saw a video where there is a mistake like that with satellite so I know it can happen with the ISS.
I saw the Live stream - and the earth seems flat like coin but that doesn't mean it's not cgi because it either cgi or animation or when you take the camera and point it to sky and show it like you above the sky, despite you are below.
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

I'm not sure what those alleged "space bubbles" are, but I know that they are not bubbles.  Bubbles move only up and never down, do you agree?  There are a few of the videos showing alleged bubbles which appeared to move up, down a bit, and then back up.  I could find the video and show you where in it to look tomorrow if you want..

If the ISS videos were filmed in a pool then how do you explain the lack of blue haze?

Astronaut training pools look like this:


And you think that images like this were taken in a pool:


Note how even the furthest solar panels look perfectly clear, which wouldn't happen in water.

There are also thinks like refraction.  In a space suit under water a diver's head should apear very small because water is denser then the air inside the suit.  This is exactaly what we observe:


In space on the other hand, the vacuum is less dense then the air inside the helmet so the astronaut's head should look very big.  This is exactaly what we observe:


This means that the astronauts are not under water but in a vacuum, and that means the only way they could be floating like that is if they are in zero G.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 08:51:12 AM »
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

You weren't supposed to see those bubbles.   ;D 



Training for a hubble repair mission.
Priceless this. Training for a Hubble repair mission by being under water pressure.  ;D
Training under water pressure, where we all know it's pretty hard to  move your arms and body due to having to PUSH them through the water.
Also to move, you kick your feet under water.
In so called space, there is no kicking of feet because they obviously know that we know the vacuum doesn't allow it by what we are told.

We also know that moving their arms about in a so called space vacuum would mean they would be flapping about like beached fish, unless they were on a rope or holding part of the Hubble (cough).

Now then; the second they grab something, they are going to put a force on it, which means that every time they bang into the Hubble, they move it out of alignment and into space further or lesser, depending on how you want to view the bullshit.

So here's the key for anyone that wants to train for something. Let's use abseiling as an instance.
Ok, what you do to train is, you go up a tall building or a small vertical rock face or something like that....but...instead of simply abseiling down it like we all know you do....we do it N.A.S.A style.....I I said N.A.S.A style. It's N.A.S.A style.

What we do is, we  place the people deep underwater where there is a large rock face and have them stand on it  with ropes and scuba gear on.
Then you tell them to abseil down this underwater rock face until they reach the sea bed. Once they do a few of these, they can then feel ready to tackle a high building or a rock face on land.

Best way to train, right?

It must be if N.A.S.A gangnam style space jaunts are perfected in a large frigging pool.  ;D
What in the hell does it require for people to wake the fu...fu...fu...hell up?  ::)

Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 09:20:54 AM »
What we do is, we  place the people deep underwater where there is a large rock face and have them stand on it  with ropes and scuba gear on.
Then you tell them to abseil down this underwater rock face until they reach the sea bed. Once they do a few of these, they can then feel ready to tackle a high building or a rock face on land.

Best way to train, right?

How are you going to rappel down an underwater rock face if you have neutral buoyancy, or are you proposing negative buoyancy so you can practice underwater? You wouldn't have to worry about falls, but this seems like a hard way to do it and it isn't realistic enough to be useful training; we used to just find a very short pitch to train people how to start a rappel (which is the hardest part) and practice, but wasn't high enough to be really dangerous, then provide a belay for the first time on a dangerously-high drop. This is simpler and much more practical than trying to do this underwater.

Neutral buoyancy appears to be good practice for some aspects of working in a weightless environment. Obviously it's not totally realistic, but apparently still useful.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2015, 10:07:53 AM »
These space men always look so happy with their smiling faces. Yet everywhere you look on the outside of the ISS is sharp objects that could easily tear or rip their suits open. Just look at the pictures Mikeman shows plenty of sharp objects in those pictures. Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that, couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage. Why do they have to go outside so much anyway. They should have designed it so you wouldn't have to go outside. Id also be afraid space junk could plow into me and break my helmet glass. Just my thoughts.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2015, 11:00:31 AM »
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

You weren't supposed to see those bubbles.   ;D 



Training for a hubble repair mission.
The people with the astronot suit don't have a lot of bubbles but in the video where they do space walk you see enough bubbles to determine they are in pool.

Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2015, 11:02:09 AM »
I already saw a video where there is a mistake like that with satellite so I know it can happen with the ISS.
I saw the Live stream - and the earth seems flat like coin but that doesn't mean it's not cgi because it either cgi or animation or when you take the camera and point it to sky and show it like you above the sky, despite you are below.
it's so easy to fake and multiply agencies doing that right now, how you explain the bubbles in space ?

I'm not sure what those alleged "space bubbles" are, but I know that they are not bubbles.  Bubbles move only up and never down, do you agree?  There are a few of the videos showing alleged bubbles which appeared to move up, down a bit, and then back up.  I could find the video and show you where in it to look tomorrow if you want..

If the ISS videos were filmed in a pool then how do you explain the lack of blue haze?

Astronaut training pools look like this:


And you think that images like this were taken in a pool:


Note how even the furthest solar panels look perfectly clear, which wouldn't happen in water.

There are also thinks like refraction.  In a space suit under water a diver's head should apear very small because water is denser then the air inside the suit.  This is exactaly what we observe:


In space on the other hand, the vacuum is less dense then the air inside the helmet so the astronaut's head should look very big.  This is exactaly what we observe:


This means that the astronauts are not under water but in a vacuum, and that means the only way they could be floating like that is if they are in zero G.
the photos where you show the face of the astronot smaller than alleged astronot in space is due to the angle and distance and due to the different mask.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2015, 11:32:55 AM »
Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that, couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage.
Are you serious here?
So, anything to do with electromagnetic signals, electricity, or gravity, you seem to have no clue about.
Didn't you claim to be some sort of technician once before?  I had doubted that long ago, now I am sure that was false.

Yep found it here:
Please don't keep saying look it up, I was an RF engineer for over 20 years. I know how RF works. An  antenna is made to transmit or receive certain directions with certain gain. The transmitting antenna on a  TV satellite has to be cut or made to transmit the energy field to cover the entire U.S., a very wide area. That means it is working like any antenna that is made to transmit most power in certain direction. The receiving antenna should not have to be pointing directly at the satellite. In fact the antenna could simply be an omni type antenna. You should not have to point a directional antenna at the satellite, simply near its direction. Because you do have to point the receiving antenna directly at it, probably means you are pointing at a antenna on a tower a few hundred miles away. Just my opinion.
So how do you have so little understanding of how signals and electricity works, yet you still think you can claim you worked on RF transmitters for 20 years?  The only thing i can think of is that you worked in some factory packaging these things, you obviously didn't design anything.
I am sorry for the semi personal attack, but someone claiming to have worked in that field, which I have for many years, needs to understand the most basic parts of how it works.  Otherwise you either really sucked at it or you are lying.  I really hope it was the lie, and you actually did do what you claim but are here trolling for fun.  Your statements, conclusions, and questions do not match with any technician.

Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 11:42:42 AM »
Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that,

No worries. You're more than two hundred miles from it at the closest.

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couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage.

Maybe the assembly is UL approved.

Aren't you the guy that claimed to work on spacecraft electrical systems? How come you don't know this?

Oh, wait...
Yes I am technical and i have spent many months developing products for the government that I know ended up on the scrap heap.

I can certainly understand why stuff you developed was scrapped.

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Why do they have to go outside so much anyway.

To fix stuff that breaks. To add new equipment. To test procedures and techniques. How much is "so much"?

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They should have designed it so you wouldn't have to go outside.

How would they fix stuff that breaks, add new equipment, and test procedures and techniques?

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Id also be afraid space junk could plow into me and break my helmet glass.

We can tell that you're not cut out for the job. There is a significant risk involved, and it certainly isn't for everyone.

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Just my thoughts.

Thanks for sharing!
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mikeman7918

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 11:57:00 AM »
Priceless this. Training for a Hubble repair mission by being under water pressure.  ;D
Training under water pressure, where we all know it's pretty hard to  move your arms and body due to having to PUSH them through the water.
Also to move, you kick your feet under water.
In so called space, there is no kicking of feet because they obviously know that we know the vacuum doesn't allow it by what we are told.

We also know that moving their arms about in a so called space vacuum would mean they would be flapping about like beached fish, unless they were on a rope or holding part of the Hubble (cough).

Now then; the second they grab something, they are going to put a force on it, which means that every time they bang into the Hubble, they move it out of alignment and into space further or lesser, depending on how you want to view the bullshit.

So here's the key for anyone that wants to train for something. Let's use abseiling as an instance.
Ok, what you do to train is, you go up a tall building or a small vertical rock face or something like that....but...instead of simply abseiling down it like we all know you do....we do it N.A.S.A style.....I I said N.A.S.A style. It's N.A.S.A style.

What we do is, we  place the people deep underwater where there is a large rock face and have them stand on it  with ropes and scuba gear on.
Then you tell them to abseil down this underwater rock face until they reach the sea bed. Once they do a few of these, they can then feel ready to tackle a high building or a rock face on land.

Best way to train, right?

It must be if N.A.S.A gangnam style space jaunts are perfected in a large frigging pool.  ;D
What in the hell does it require for people to wake the fu...fu...fu...hell up?  ::)

The astronauts are in a space suit which is already so stiff that being under water doesn't change much.  The astronauts are not supposed to move around by kicking because that would make their training not very useful.

I don't think you understand what knocking a telescope out of alignment is.  I can pick up my telescope and shake it around and it will still be aligned.  The alignment is all about the alignment of the mirrors and it has nothing to do with the telescope's position and orientation.  The Hubnle also has thrusters and gyroscopes on it to change it's velocity and where it's pointing, so it doesn't matter if the astronauts bump it around.

These space men always look so happy with their smiling faces. Yet everywhere you look on the outside of the ISS is sharp objects that could easily tear or rip their suits open. Just look at the pictures Mikeman shows plenty of sharp objects in those pictures. Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that, couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage. Why do they have to go outside so much anyway. They should have designed it so you wouldn't have to go outside. Id also be afraid space junk could plow into me and break my helmet glass. Just my thoughts.
Yendor

If you were the kind of person who was scared of doings space walk then you wouldn't go to space, simple as that.  All of NASA's astronauts go to space because they want to, nobody is forced to do it.  The people you see doing space walks are generally the people who think that all the dangers are worth it just to be weightless and see Earth from orbit.  As for all the dangers, their suits are thick and insulation enough to protect them from shocks, and most of the wires aren't even exposed.  Space junk is tracked from Earth and if mission control notices a threat the ISS can change course to avoid it.  Sharp objects are sometimes an issue in space walks, but that's what all that training is for.  MASA works with military precision and they plan space walks to avoid sharp objects whenever they can.  The station was designed to be space walk friendly and NASA knows every nut and bolt of it, so sharp objects aren't that big of a probelem.

EVA's are not something that happens too often on the ISS.  For the most part the station can be maintained from the inside, but sometimes they have to go outside to make a repair, install a new piece of equipment, and things like that.

the photos where you show the face of the astronot smaller than alleged astronot in space is due to the angle and distance and due to the different mask.

The sours used for training are almost identical to the actual space suits.  That refraction thing is a really tiny detail that very few people would notice.  The angle and distance actually doesn't effect it, there are many more photos in the Internet of people in astronaut training pools and people in space.  They all show the same thing, the people in space have large heads while the people in the pools have small heads.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 12:05:07 PM »
Priceless this. Training for a Hubble repair mission by being under water pressure.  ;D
Training under water pressure, where we all know it's pretty hard to  move your arms and body due to having to PUSH them through the water.
Also to move, you kick your feet under water.
In so called space, there is no kicking of feet because they obviously know that we know the vacuum doesn't allow it by what we are told.

We also know that moving their arms about in a so called space vacuum would mean they would be flapping about like beached fish, unless they were on a rope or holding part of the Hubble (cough).

Now then; the second they grab something, they are going to put a force on it, which means that every time they bang into the Hubble, they move it out of alignment and into space further or lesser, depending on how you want to view the bullshit.

So here's the key for anyone that wants to train for something. Let's use abseiling as an instance.
Ok, what you do to train is, you go up a tall building or a small vertical rock face or something like that....but...instead of simply abseiling down it like we all know you do....we do it N.A.S.A style.....I I said N.A.S.A style. It's N.A.S.A style.

What we do is, we  place the people deep underwater where there is a large rock face and have them stand on it  with ropes and scuba gear on.
Then you tell them to abseil down this underwater rock face until they reach the sea bed. Once they do a few of these, they can then feel ready to tackle a high building or a rock face on land.

Best way to train, right?

It must be if N.A.S.A gangnam style space jaunts are perfected in a large frigging pool.  ;D
What in the hell does it require for people to wake the fu...fu...fu...hell up?  ::)

The astronauts are in a space suit which is already so stiff that being under water doesn't change much.  The astronauts are not supposed to move around by kicking because that would make their training not very useful.

I don't think you understand what knocking a telescope out of alignment is.  I can pick up my telescope and shake it around and it will still be aligned.  The alignment is all about the alignment of the mirrors and it has nothing to do with the telescope's position and orientation.  The Hubnle also has thrusters and gyroscopes on it to change it's velocity and where it's pointing, so it doesn't matter if the astronauts bump it around.

These space men always look so happy with their smiling faces. Yet everywhere you look on the outside of the ISS is sharp objects that could easily tear or rip their suits open. Just look at the pictures Mikeman shows plenty of sharp objects in those pictures. Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that, couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage. Why do they have to go outside so much anyway. They should have designed it so you wouldn't have to go outside. Id also be afraid space junk could plow into me and break my helmet glass. Just my thoughts.
Yendor

If you were the kind of person who was scared of doings space walk then you wouldn't go to space, simple as that.  All of NASA's astronauts go to space because they want to, nobody is forced to do it.  The people you see doing space walks are generally the people who think that all the dangers are worth it just to be weightless and see Earth from orbit.  As for all the dangers, their suits are thick and insulation enough to protect them from shocks, and most of the wires aren't even exposed.  Space junk is tracked from Earth and if mission control notices a threat the ISS can change course to avoid it.  Sharp objects are sometimes an issue in space walks, but that's what all that training is for.  MASA works with military precision and they plan space walks to avoid sharp objects whenever they can.  The station was designed to be space walk friendly and NASA knows every nut and bolt of it, so sharp objects aren't that big of a probelem.

EVA's are not something that happens too often on the ISS.  For the most part the station can be maintained from the inside, but sometimes they have to go outside to make a repair, install a new piece of equipment, and things like that.

the photos where you show the face of the astronot smaller than alleged astronot in space is due to the angle and distance and due to the different mask.

The sours used for training are almost identical to the actual space suits.  That refraction thing is a really tiny detail that very few people would notice.  The angle and distance actually doesn't effect it, there are many more photos in the Internet of people in astronaut training pools and people in space.  They all show the same thing, the people in space have large heads while the people in the pools have small heads.

https://www.google.co.il/search?q=Astronauts+in+pool&biw=1024&bih=573&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-_KOVaTRM4evU56wgaAN&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgrc=Mj5lNtdHg04CAM%3A


Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2015, 12:11:36 PM »
most of the time they go out to space walk with reflective mask to cover the face not to be shown irregular like in pool. not all the shoots of astronots in pool some of them in mikeman house.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2015, 12:43:19 PM »
You are still yet to explain why there is no blue haze in ISS space walks.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2015, 12:44:25 PM »
You are still yet to explain why there is no blue haze in ISS space walks.
what that supposed to mean ?

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2015, 12:55:03 PM »
Water has a blue haze. Or really, just a colored haze.
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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2015, 12:57:49 PM »
Water has a blue haze. Or really, just a colored haze.
everything is remake by photoshop or whatever to take out all the irregular.

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Mikey T.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2015, 01:03:24 PM »
Seriously dude, give it up.  You are really just giving ammunition to someone who would point out your lack of intelligent responses.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2015, 01:05:29 PM »
Plus i wouldn't want to be that close to a big solar panel like that, couldn't it shock you? I don't know, but shouldn't it be putting out a lot of voltage.
Are you serious here?
So, anything to do with electromagnetic signals, electricity, or gravity, you seem to have no clue about.
Didn't you claim to be some sort of technician once before?  I had doubted that long ago, now I am sure that was false.

Yep found it here:
Please don't keep saying look it up, I was an RF engineer for over 20 years. I know how RF works. An  antenna is made to transmit or receive certain directions with certain gain. The transmitting antenna on a  TV satellite has to be cut or made to transmit the energy field to cover the entire U.S., a very wide area. That means it is working like any antenna that is made to transmit most power in certain direction. The receiving antenna should not have to be pointing directly at the satellite. In fact the antenna could simply be an omni type antenna. You should not have to point a directional antenna at the satellite, simply near its direction. Because you do have to point the receiving antenna directly at it, probably means you are pointing at a antenna on a tower a few hundred miles away. Just my opinion.
So how do you have so little understanding of how signals and electricity works, yet you still think you can claim you worked on RF transmitters for 20 years?  The only thing i can think of is that you worked in some factory packaging these things, you obviously didn't design anything.
I am sorry for the semi personal attack, but someone claiming to have worked in that field, which I have for many years, needs to understand the most basic parts of how it works.  Otherwise you either really sucked at it or you are lying.  I really hope it was the lie, and you actually did do what you claim but are here trolling for fun.  Your statements, conclusions, and questions do not match with any technician.

Micky T.,

I made the statement that they could shock you, I didn't say they would. If you don't think solar panels can't produce enough electricity to kill you, (1ma for 1 second can kill), Then I now question everything you say. You must be reading everything you've stated from the internet or some books you purchased from a yard sale. Yes I did work for the largest microwave filter company in the world for nearly twenty years as an RF engineer designing microwave filters, GaAs diode switches, PIN diodes, Coaxial switches, computer controlled tunable filters and many other things the government agencies sent me. I also worked for another company  called L3 corp. I designed uplink and downlinks for UAVs that were used in Iraq. Plus I spent six years in the Navy working on guided missile launching systems. plus I worked at smaller companies designing other electronic devices. I probably built my first computer using wire wrap before you were born. So don't give me this song and dance about me knowing nothing just because you want to smear FEers and don't agree with what I believe. You simply don't realize I'm sixty-five years old and I haven't done much math in a long while, But I'll tell you I designed a lot of filters using math and a slide rule. do you even know what they are?

Here is just one place I found on the net that took me about two minutes.

“There’s a potentially lethal situation for firefighters, where anywhere from 40 milliamps (mA) to 240 mA of DC electric current can lock up the muscles and you can’t let go,” says Ken Boyce, UL’s manager and principal engineer for product safety. The current could be strong enough where the firefighter could jump back and fall off the roof, fall into a solar panel, or be strong enough past 240 mA to cause ventricular fibrillation and cause death. At 70 mA, electrical burns causing cell necrosis could come into play, according to UL. Even the amount of light generated from fighting a nighttime fire adjacent to a building with rooftop PV could generate electricity in the solar panels, Boyce added.

So don't come across to me as some kind of electrical genius, you're certainly not.

Yendor
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
                              George Orwell

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Mikey T.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2015, 01:16:14 PM »
Where are they grounded back too in that suit?  Where will the electricity flow?  How will the electricity get through the suit if it is designed to insulate you from extreme heat and cold? 
Also Solar panels are low current and nothing on the outside of the panel is "energized".  So, if there was a wire shorted out to the frame of the solar panel, and if the astronaut ripped his suit enough to touch the frame with his bare skin (BTW he would be dead already anyway), maybe he would get a small does of current if his body were grounded back to the station, not the heavily insulated suit, his body.
So a little simple electricity lesson.  Electricity has to have a path to complete the circuit.  If there is no path this is called an open or dead circuit and no current can flow. 
So tell me again how you designed RF devices.
I call BS again.

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Mikey T.

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Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2015, 01:21:50 PM »
Another thing, you have no idea how old I am.  So what company did you work for that designed UAVs that were used in Iraq.  I used a few different ones.  As for a slide rule, yeah I have messed around with one, and they are an awesome tool for someone who needs it.  You however have no grasp on the basics of how an RF signal works.  I have seen this through a few conversations.  I am not talking about math, I am talking about basic concepts.  These are things that you must know in order to be able to design anything.  So do not give me the old guru routine, you do not qualify.

Re: What About The ISS?
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2015, 01:24:54 PM »
Seriously dude, give it up.  You are really just giving ammunition to someone who would point out your lack of intelligent responses.
You are absolutely doing better job convince more people the earth is flat, I agree.