Flat Earthers view on Climate change

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on July 01, 2015, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: tappet on June 29, 2015, 10:53:20 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:26:26 PM

How does that long, arduous explanation help anyone understand anything? It's patently false. Mankind is not a 'zit' that will eventually pop. We're screwing up this planet one factory at a time. Do you understand how thin the atmosphere is? It's very delicate, and changing the chemical composition of it damages it permanently. There is no 'Mother Earth' like the Earth knows whats happening. This sounds like pseudo-Biblical "God made the Earth, so the Earth will provide" bullshit.

What a load of crap. I have been listening to you doomsayers my whole life.
We cannot harm the earth it is to powerful, you going on about it being delicate, just listen to yourself.
You think you are a god and you have to protect the earth because it is delicate.
Must be a lot of fun to be had in your world planting bloody trees when you are so ignorant you cannot see they would grow back by themselves.

Also, dumbass, trees do not grow back by themselves. Look up 'deforestation', and the traumatic effects it has on the planet. Several large areas of the US and Europe are now desert because of this.

When you remove all the trees from an area, you essentially give erosion a free pass to destroy the entire area over a period of time.

Oh, no, but God has a plan for all of it right? The Earth will provide right? Nope. You get out of the Earth what you take from it.

Nah, trees do grow back.
Evacuate a city and in  time nature will pull the city apart.
Chill out Mr fearmonger.

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on July 01, 2015, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: tappet on June 29, 2015, 10:53:20 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:26:26 PM

How does that long, arduous explanation help anyone understand anything? It's patently false. Mankind is not a 'zit' that will eventually pop. We're screwing up this planet one factory at a time. Do you understand how thin the atmosphere is? It's very delicate, and changing the chemical composition of it damages it permanently. There is no 'Mother Earth' like the Earth knows whats happening. This sounds like pseudo-Biblical "God made the Earth, so the Earth will provide" bullshit.

What a load of crap. I have been listening to you doomsayers my whole life.
We cannot harm the earth it is to powerful, you going on about it being delicate, just listen to yourself.
You think you are a god and you have to protect the earth because it is delicate.
Must be a lot of fun to be had in your world planting bloody trees when you are so ignorant you cannot see they would grow back by themselves.

Also, dumbass, trees do not grow back by themselves. Look up 'deforestation', and the traumatic effects it has on the planet. Several large areas of the US and Europe are now desert because of this.

When you remove all the trees from an area, you essentially give erosion a free pass to destroy the entire area over a period of time.

Oh, no, but God has a plan for all of it right? The Earth will provide right? Nope. You get out of the Earth what you take from it.

Nah, trees do grow back.
Evacuate a city and in  time nature will pull the city apart.
Chill out Mr fearmonger.

Quote from: tappet on July 01, 2015, 01:14:34 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on July 01, 2015, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: tappet on June 29, 2015, 10:53:20 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:26:26 PM

How does that long, arduous explanation help anyone understand anything? It's patently false. Mankind is not a 'zit' that will eventually pop. We're screwing up this planet one factory at a time. Do you understand how thin the atmosphere is? It's very delicate, and changing the chemical composition of it damages it permanently. There is no 'Mother Earth' like the Earth knows whats happening. This sounds like pseudo-Biblical "God made the Earth, so the Earth will provide" bullshit.

What a load of crap. I have been listening to you doomsayers my whole life.
We cannot harm the earth it is to powerful, you going on about it being delicate, just listen to yourself.
You think you are a god and you have to protect the earth because it is delicate.
Must be a lot of fun to be had in your world planting bloody trees when you are so ignorant you cannot see they would grow back by themselves.

Also, dumbass, trees do not grow back by themselves. Look up 'deforestation', and the traumatic effects it has on the planet. Several large areas of the US and Europe are now desert because of this.

When you remove all the trees from an area, you essentially give erosion a free pass to destroy the entire area over a period of time.

Oh, no, but God has a plan for all of it right? The Earth will provide right? Nope. You get out of the Earth what you take from it.

Nah, trees do grow back.
Evacuate a city and in  time nature will pull the city apart.
Chill out Mr fearmonger.

Also, how is this in any way a good argument against climate change? This "Earth will always provide" bullshit started with conservative christians in the 90's attempting to discredit climate scientists using badly interpreted biblical text.

Give me a single good reason to disregard rising global temperatures, otherwise your 'nature' assertions are useless and dig yourself further into the moron hole.

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on July 01, 2015, 08:32:26 PM

Quote from: tappet on July 01, 2015, 01:14:34 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on July 01, 2015, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: tappet on June 29, 2015, 10:53:20 PM

Quote from: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:26:26 PM

How does that long, arduous explanation help anyone understand anything? It's patently false. Mankind is not a 'zit' that will eventually pop. We're screwing up this planet one factory at a time. Do you understand how thin the atmosphere is? It's very delicate, and changing the chemical composition of it damages it permanently. There is no 'Mother Earth' like the Earth knows whats happening. This sounds like pseudo-Biblical "God made the Earth, so the Earth will provide" bullshit.

What a load of crap. I have been listening to you doomsayers my whole life.
We cannot harm the earth it is to powerful, you going on about it being delicate, just listen to yourself.
You think you are a god and you have to protect the earth because it is delicate.
Must be a lot of fun to be had in your world planting bloody trees when you are so ignorant you cannot see they would grow back by themselves.

Also, dumbass, trees do not grow back by themselves. Look up 'deforestation', and the traumatic effects it has on the planet. Several large areas of the US and Europe are now desert because of this.

When you remove all the trees from an area, you essentially give erosion a free pass to destroy the entire area over a period of time.

Oh, no, but God has a plan for all of it right? The Earth will provide right? Nope. You get out of the Earth what you take from it.

Nah, trees do grow back.
Evacuate a city and in  time nature will pull the city apart.
Chill out Mr fearmonger.

Also, how is this in any way a good argument against climate change? This "Earth will always provide" bullshit started with conservative christians in the 90's attempting to discredit climate scientists using badly interpreted biblical text.

Give me a single good reason to disregard rising global temperatures, otherwise your 'nature' assertions are useless and dig yourself further into the moron hole.

Did the conservation thing years ago, replanted forest destroyed by man, propagated plants, watered the nursery. Then one day I noticed it all regrows by itself. So now I just sit back and watch saviours like you, its interesting.

 That's why we haven't seen large amounts of species going extinct in the last century.

People go on about man destroying forests and it's having a serious effect on the world. It's not. The world is a big place and piddly man won't destroy it by taking out trees. Like weeds, they simply grow back aggressively.

It makes me laugh that people go on about trees being cut down in large areas and yet for long enough we've been building and paving large areas for as long as we can remember. It's like we've been shaving a head almost bald, leaving just a few wispy hairs here and there.

Whatever you pull out of the Earth, it will be replaced to keep a balance.

Climate chance can be misconstrued into badness by those that want your money and your freedom.
Of course climates will change but they always have. As for holes in the ozone. It's a load of crap.

The next laugh is coming. Apparently scientists have now detected oxygen in space. 
I'll watch with a smirk at what's coming off with this stuff.
Soon you'll get astronauts floating about in T'shirts, breathing in and out. 

People go on about man destroying forests and it's having a serious effect on the world. It's not. The world is a big place and piddly man won't destroy it by taking out trees. Like weeds, they simply grow back aggressively.

It makes me laugh that people go on about trees being cut down in large areas and yet for long enough we've been building and paving large areas for as long as we can remember. It's like we've been shaving a head almost bald, leaving just a few wispy hairs here and there.

Whatever you pull out of the Earth, it will be replaced to keep a balance. Climate chance can be misconstrued into badness by those that want your money and your freedom.
Of course climates will change but they always have. As for holes in the ozone. It's a load of crap.

Certain pretend scientists make up any old shit to keep up an agenda and it's all about control.

The next laugh is coming. Apparently scientists have now detected oxygen in space. 
I'll watch with a smirk at what's coming off with this stuff.
Soon you'll get astronauts floating about in T'shirts, breathing in and out. 

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2015, 05:07:14 AM

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

Quote from: josan on June 30, 2015, 07:01:30 AM

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

I think this video will answer your question.
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It has to do with being locked in a belief system, so you are more likely to adopt more conspiracy theories if you adopt one of them.

Quote from: samvittighed on July 02, 2015, 10:13:10 PM

Quote from: josan on June 30, 2015, 07:01:30 AM

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

I think this video will answer your question.
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It has to do with being locked in a belief system, so you are more likely to adopt more conspiracy theories if you adopt one of them.

And what is the video supposed to mean regarding climate change.
You seem to be one of these wackos with conspiracy theory on the brain.
All I see is a bunch of dumb people who think trees wont grow back, peak oil and turtles eat plastic bags.

Quote from: josan on July 02, 2015, 09:25:40 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2015, 05:07:14 AM

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

Tell you what, when I get home today I will change the bedroom light from a 13w to 11w bulb.
See now we are all pitching in to save you and your planet. I will not accept white plastic bags ever again I will only use green ones as green is good. Can you suggest other changes I could make to right the wrongs that I have done?

Quote from: tappet on July 02, 2015, 01:41:19 PM

Quote from: josan on July 02, 2015, 09:25:40 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2015, 05:07:14 AM

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

Tell you what, when I get home today I will change the bedroom light from a 13w to 11w bulb.
See now we are all pitching in to save you and your planet. I will not accept white plastic bags ever again I will only use green ones as green is good. Can you suggest other changes I could make to right the wrongs that I have done?

I am glad at receiving the first positive response to this thread.

Sure, small measures will go a long way. Here are some other changes as you asked :

1. Changing incandescent bulbs to LED or CFL,
2. Using a Solar heater instead of a 25L geyser can reduce c02 emission by 687 kg annually.
3. Turning of ac, fan light when not in use.
4. Switching from desktop to laptop can reduce individual's co2 emission by 250 kg annually.
5. Using pressure cookers instead of pots and pans reduces c02 emissions by 125 kg annually.
6. reducing water consumption
7. switching off electrical appliances at the plug instead of with remote.
8. reducing use of microwave.
9. Using cold cycles for washing machines.
10. switching off ignition at traffic lights can reduce individual co2 emission by 48 to 60 kg annually.
11. driving with closed windows particularly at high speeds reduces wind resistance and therefore fuel consumption.
12. compared to a car with under inflated tires , a car with properly inflated tires can reduce annual co2 emissions by 150 kg.
13. reducing usage of individual vehicles and resorting to public transport

These are some measures you can do at the individual level. In addition awareness has to be spread at the community level.

It may seem that environmental changes are too huge to tackle, but individual efforts will count.

Quote from: josan on July 03, 2015, 01:29:58 AM

Quote from: tappet on July 02, 2015, 01:41:19 PM

Quote from: josan on July 02, 2015, 09:25:40 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2015, 05:07:14 AM

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

Tell you what, when I get home today I will change the bedroom light from a 13w to 11w bulb.
See now we are all pitching in to save you and your planet. I will not accept white plastic bags ever again I will only use green ones as green is good. Can you suggest other changes I could make to right the wrongs that I have done?

I am glad at receiving the first positive response to this thread.

Sure, small measures will go a long way. Here are some other changes as you asked :

1. Changing incandescent bulbs to LED or CFL,
2. Using a Solar heater instead of a 25L geyser can reduce c02 emission by 687 kg annually.
3. Turning of ac, fan light when not in use.
4. Switching from desktop to laptop can reduce individual's co2 emission by 250 kg annually.
5. Using pressure cookers instead of pots and pans reduces c02 emissions by 125 kg annually.
6. reducing water consumption
7. switching off electrical appliances at the plug instead of with remote.
8. reducing use of microwave.
9. Using cold cycles for washing machines.
10. switching off ignition at traffic lights can reduce individual co2 emission by 48 to 60 kg annually.
11. driving with closed windows particularly at high speeds reduces wind resistance and therefore fuel consumption.
12. compared to a car with under inflated tires , a car with properly inflated tires can reduce annual co2 emissions by 150 kg.
13. reducing usage of individual vehicles and resorting to public transport

These are some measures you can do at the individual level. In addition awareness has to be spread at the community level.

It may seem that environmental changes are too huge to tackle, but individual efforts will count.

I just thought of another one for the list.
My nan used to use her tea bags twice, she drank a lot of tea so the load on emission from tea production would be reduced as well as less waste.

I will ask again.
Why is there evidence of palms in the Arctic

Outside this forum I have seen a couple of prominent flat earthers deny any climate change or global warming based on man made causes. I would like to know the view of flat earthers in this forum.

In addition I believe that ISS is an attempt to tap the energy of the sun directly which is also leading to climate change.