Disproof of gravity

Quote from: guv on July 09, 2015, 06:30:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:16:09 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 06:11:55 AM

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Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

I see the bullshit septic, when was your last post without some. Is the weight loss linear as to pressure or some other relationship. Try not to bullshit I don't like the smell.

Go and play with the crayon's, kid. You don't get to play with me with a shit attitude. Go and get some counselling and come back, then we can talk.

So you don't know.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:34:18 AM

Quote from: guv on July 09, 2015, 06:30:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:16:09 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 06:11:55 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

I see the bullshit septic, when was your last post without some. Is the weight loss linear as to pressure or some other relationship. Try not to bullshit I don't like the smell.

Go and play with the crayon's, kid. You don't get to play with me with a shit attitude. Go and get some counselling and come back, then we can talk.

So you don't know.

It's been explained to you. Take notice and you won't need to ask the question. Your inability to understand it or ability to not want to understand it, is your issue, not mine.
Don't bother coming back to argue, you'll just be ignored.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 06:11:55 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

If you don't believe him, then climb yourself. I know how atmospheric pressure works, because I have spent some energy and brainpower to actually learn it, contrary to you making everything up on the spot. Every scientific report and scientist can tell you that I'm right. OR are those people, who study the subject for years, also plain dumb? Do you think you, who probably has never thought of pressure at all until now, are smarter than everyone else in terms of atmospheric pressure? Don't make me laugh. If you are so smart, you would have just shown me some evidence and laughed me in the face. But you haven't, you haven't even tried to make a move towards that direction. You are not just ignorant, you are also lazy, you say "ohh it's obvious" and then troll around. Now be serious, because this is supposed to be a serious forum, and if you were so serious you would quit trolling and and start working for your cause, instead of dragging it down by looking plain stupid.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

No, Mt Triglav (which I've climbed 3 times) is not that high compared to, say Everest, however it is just under 10,000ft - the air pressure up there is about 10 psi - nearly a third what it is at ground level.  Therefore, according to your hypothesis everything (me and my rucksack) should weigh a third less.  The don't.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.

Eh?  Why not?  There are children climbing Triglav in the summer  - all you need is to be reasonably fit and have a decent pair of boots and a rucksack.

You can drive up to nearly 11,000 ft in the Sierra Nevada in Spain, so all you need is a car to get that high.

Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

What do you mean?  There is less atmospheric pressure up there, so it should be easier for my "thighs".  And everything weighs a third less....so I should be bouncing around at the top.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

You mean you will bottle out of yet another debate when stuck in a corner.

If you don't believe him, then climb yourself.

I have no desire to climb a mountain. I can find better things to do that deprive myself of the atmospheric pressure that my body requires. I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way. Not to mention the severe cold on he body. It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

I know how atmospheric pressure works, because I have spent some energy and brainpower to actually learn it, contrary to you making everything up on the spot.

Whatever you learned and how much it cost you to learn it, I'm not sure but ask for your money back and I'll teach you for nothing. All you need to do is to give your head a massive shake to shake out the indoctrinated shite out of it and wash gravity under your rug.
All you need to do from that point is to observe me and use your basic logic. Nothing else is needed.
Oh, sorry there is one.
You need to be strong enough to be focused and not give in to peer pressure from those hell bent on making sure nobody understands' reality.

Every scientific report and scientist can tell you that I'm right.

They probably could. They could tell you that Spock was a logical Vulcan. They could tell you that the big bang started from NOTHING. They can tell you that smashing two particles together can open up a black hole that could swallow Earth.
They can tell you anything. Why?...because just like you they are human and gullible enough to follow protocol.
Why do they follow protocol? because if you learn it and follow it, it means you are following a set pattern and also you get paid to parrot it, as they do to you and you will do to other's.

One day they may give you an equation as to why all the king's horses and all he king's men, couldn't put Humpty together again.
You can copy that equation because they will give you the measurements of Humpty. You don't need to physically know if Humpty is real or that he was as big as they say. All you have to bother with, are the equations set out that say he was.
Now all you have to is to enter the Humpty is not real forum and show the idiots on there who don't believe Humpty was real, the equations of how he was put together and how big he was after it happened.

Who are the idiiots, eh? damn those anti Humpties, eh? 

OR are those people, who study the subject for years, also plain dumb?

Naive. Easily led. Gullible. Needy. Intelligent enough to memorise complicated stuff that he ordinary Joe can't be arsed with or doesn't feel the need to expend too much thought over because by expending that thought, there needs to be something to it that can be physically verified for that thought time expended to be worthwhile.
This is why people like you are left to do it. Theoretical/hypothetical/pseudo/science. Which of those are actually science?

I'd say factual science is real science.
Theoretical science holds a potential probability.
Hypothetical science holds a potential possibility.
Pseudo science is what it is. It's your time travel and what if science that doesn't have much potential as a probability or a possibility. It's just an interesting thought process all the same.
A bit like gravity and black holes, plus lots of other pseudo science.

Peer reviews by biased people does not make the science any more real unless it's physically shown to be so and we do not get to see the physical side, we just get told about it.

Do you think you, who probably has never thought of pressure at all until now, are smarter than everyone else in terms of atmospheric pressure?

Smarter?....hmmm; that's a tough one. I'd say I'm ahead of the game in terms of understanding it. I do  believe there are many out there that know what I know. They may be pillars of their society. Do you think they will shout it from the roof tops?....nahhh.
What about people like me who will know? will they shout it?...yes, probably but then again they risk being called a stark raving lunatic and a tin foil hat nutter, as well as all the rest of the bile slung at them by people who can't even tie their own shoelaces or comb their hair properly.

Don't make me laugh. If you are so smart, you would have just shown me some evidence and laughed me in the face. But you haven't, you haven't even tried to make a move towards that direction.

I've slapped the evidence in your face like a big record breaking freshly caught wet cod and you simply kept looking at the birdies in the sky. More whacks would bruise he fish so you were left to it.

You are not just ignorant, you are also lazy, you say "ohh it's obvious" and then troll around. Now be serious, because this is supposed to be a serious forum, and if you were so serious you would quit trolling and and start working for your cause, instead of dragging it down by looking plain stupid.

I've used a lot of posts to keep trolling, don't you think?
I've put one hell of a lot of effort into typing over the time. I could have just slung in one liners.

Nah, no trolling here but I'll say this. People like you with a small amount of posts who immediately go into mainstream backing mode must really think people like me are really dense enough to believe that you are a newbie and don't have other names. 
Trolls eh? 

I have no desire to climb a mountain.

Then drive.  You can get up to nearly 11,000 ft in Spain in a car.

I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way.

You don't need to acclimatise to go up to 10,000 ft.

Not to mention the severe cold on he body.

I was in a t-shirt at the top of Triglav last year.  It's not that cold in the summer - I think it was about 15c.

It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

So, it's manageable and a death sentence?  This doesn't make sense. 

Stop being so dramatic, we are talking about mountains that millions have walked up.

blah...blah...avoid the issue...blah....blah..

So the question that remains is: why don't things weigh a third less at 10,000 ft?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:04:01 AM

I have no desire to climb a mountain.

Then drive.  You can get up to nearly 11,000 ft in Spain in a car.

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I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way.

You don't need to acclimatise to go up to 10,000 ft.

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Not to mention the severe cold on he body.

I was in a t-shirt at the top of Triglav last year.  It's not that cold in the summer - I think it was about 15c.

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It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

So, it's manageable and a death sentence?  This doesn't make sense. 

Stop being so dramatic, we are talking about mountains that millions have walked up.

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blah...blah...avoid the issue...blah....blah..

So the question that remains is: why don't things weigh a third less at 10,000 ft?

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

I live in Utah where you can pick any direction and start walking, and before the end of the day you will have been to the top of a mountain.  I have climbed up many mountains, everything seems to fall at the same rate as normal and I don't feel any lighter.  A difference of 2/3 shouldn't need any precise instruments to measure.  In 1/3 gravity I should be able to jump as high as I am tall, but I can't do that on mountains.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:27:57 AM

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

I live in Utah where you can pick any direction and start walking, and before the end of the day you will have been to the top of a mountain.  I have climbed up many mountains, everything seems to fall at the same rate as normal and I don't feel any lighter.  A difference of 2/3 shouldn't need any precise instruments to measure.  In 1/3 gravity I should be able to jump as high as I am tall, but I can't do that on mountains.

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

I've been up there - lots of people have - things don't get significantly lighter.  If you want to make a case, then it's up to you do the research.  Even if I did weigh something, you'd go into full denial mode, like you did with sokural.  So what would be the point?

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

Generally, yes.  Though that would depend partly on what the balloon was made of as to how much it expanded.

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same.

Not really, I'm not a balloon.

The question is, why?

The balloon expands because the external pressure is less, therefore the difference between internal and external pressures is now greater.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

If you don't believe him, then climb yourself.

I have no desire to climb a mountain. I can find better things to do that deprive myself of the atmospheric pressure that my body requires. I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way. Not to mention the severe cold on he body. It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

I know how atmospheric pressure works, because I have spent some energy and brainpower to actually learn it, contrary to you making everything up on the spot.

Whatever you learned and how much it cost you to learn it, I'm not sure but ask for your money back and I'll teach you for nothing. All you need to do is to give your head a massive shake to shake out the indoctrinated shite out of it and wash gravity under your rug.
All you need to do from that point is to observe me and use your basic logic. Nothing else is needed.
Oh, sorry there is one.
You need to be strong enough to be focused and not give in to peer pressure from those hell bent on making sure nobody understands' reality.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

Every scientific report and scientist can tell you that I'm right.

They probably could. They could tell you that Spock was a logical Vulcan. They could tell you that the big bang started from NOTHING. They can tell you that smashing two particles together can open up a black hole that could swallow Earth.
They can tell you anything. Why?...because just like you they are human and gullible enough to follow protocol.
Why do they follow protocol? because if you learn it and follow it, it means you are following a set pattern and also you get paid to parrot it, as they do to you and you will do to other's.

One day they may give you an equation as to why all the king's horses and all he king's men, couldn't put Humpty together again.
You can copy that equation because they will give you the measurements of Humpty. You don't need to physically know if Humpty is real or that he was as big as they say. All you have to bother with, are the equations set out that say he was.
Now all you have to is to enter the Humpty is not real forum and show the idiots on there who don't believe Humpty was real, the equations of how he was put together and how big he was after it happened.

Who are the idiiots, eh? damn those anti Humpties, eh? 

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

OR are those people, who study the subject for years, also plain dumb?

Naive. Easily led. Gullible. Needy. Intelligent enough to memorise complicated stuff that he ordinary Joe can't be arsed with or doesn't feel the need to expend too much thought over because by expending that thought, there needs to be something to it that can be physically verified for that thought time expended to be worthwhile.
This is why people like you are left to do it. Theoretical/hypothetical/pseudo/science. Which of those are actually science?

I'd say factual science is real science.
Theoretical science holds a potential probability.
Hypothetical science holds a potential possibility.
Pseudo science is what it is. It's your time travel and what if science that doesn't have much potential as a probability or a possibility. It's just an interesting thought process all the same.
A bit like gravity and black holes, plus lots of other pseudo science.

Peer reviews by biased people does not make the science any more real unless it's physically shown to be so and we do not get to see the physical side, we just get told about it.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

Do you think you, who probably has never thought of pressure at all until now, are smarter than everyone else in terms of atmospheric pressure?

Smarter?....hmmm; that's a tough one. I'd say I'm ahead of the game in terms of understanding it. I do  believe there are many out there that know what I know. They may be pillars of their society. Do you think they will shout it from the roof tops?....nahhh.
What about people like me who will know? will they shout it?...yes, probably but then again they risk being called a stark raving lunatic and a tin foil hat nutter, as well as all the rest of the bile slung at them by people who can't even tie their own shoelaces or comb their hair properly.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

Don't make me laugh. If you are so smart, you would have just shown me some evidence and laughed me in the face. But you haven't, you haven't even tried to make a move towards that direction.

I've slapped the evidence in your face like a big record breaking freshly caught wet cod and you simply kept looking at the birdies in the sky. More whacks would bruise he fish so you were left to it.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

You are not just ignorant, you are also lazy, you say "ohh it's obvious" and then troll around. Now be serious, because this is supposed to be a serious forum, and if you were so serious you would quit trolling and and start working for your cause, instead of dragging it down by looking plain stupid.

I've used a lot of posts to keep trolling, don't you think?
I've put one hell of a lot of effort into typing over the time. I could have just slung in one liners.

Nah, no trolling here but I'll say this. People like you with a small amount of posts who immediately go into mainstream backing mode must really think people like me are really dense enough to believe that you are a newbie and don't have other names. 
Trolls eh? 

You have provided 0 sources and 0 maths, so no, you have not provided any evidence. If you do believe you have, spend the little amount of energy required to recite it.

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 09, 2015, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

You always descend into cheap insults when you're cornered.  His age has nothing to do with anything.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 09, 2015, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

There are people who have climbed the highest peak on every continent in the wooed before the age of 17.  Martina Hingis was a world class tennis champion at 16. Anna Paquin won an Oscar at like 8. Just because you don't think  young people can achieve anything doesn't mean you right.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 10:07:02 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 09, 2015, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

You always descend into cheap insults when you're cornered.  His age has nothing to do with anything.

As soon as you idiots stop it, so will I.
You see, I, along with a few other alternate theorists have to contend with a barrage from you lot so it's refreshing to have a little dig here and there.

BUT....

My dig at mikeman is a call out. He's no more a 17 year old than you are of being 500 year old.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 10:07:02 AM

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You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

There are people who have climbed the highest peak on every continent in the wooed before the age of 17.  Martina Hingis was a world class tennis champion at 16. Anna Paquin won an Oscar at like 8. Just because you don't think  young people can achieve anything doesn't mean you right.

If mikeman said he was a tennis champion and harped on about it all eh time, then I'd maybe believe him.
The issue with mikeman is that he's a champion at everything Earth has to offer. 

Basically I don't believe he's a college kid. I believe it's starman but that's just my belief. No need to argue this, I get what you're saying.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 09, 2015, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

Lord septic stoops to help a small child.

Quote from: Rama Set on July 09, 2015, 11:33:37 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 10:07:02 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on July 09, 2015, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

You've done a hell of a lot for a 17 year old college kid. 
You're not worth dealing with. Come back to me when you change your age. You even pulled asperger's out of the hat to give you some kind of credence as to how you know everything in google. 

Do you think that I should have spent my whole life sitting down staring at a wall?  A lot can be done in 17 years.

Yeah, I suppose it seems like I'm having a pop.

Wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh, gaga goo goo mama. "there you go son, here's a telescope to pacify you."

Yeah, I suppose there's a lot that can be achieved in 17 years.

There are people who have climbed the highest peak on every continent in the wooed before the age of 17.  Martina Hingis was a world class tennis champion at 16. Anna Paquin won an Oscar at like 8. Just because you don't think  young people can achieve anything doesn't mean you right.

If mikeman said he was a tennis champion and harped on about it all eh time, then I'd maybe believe him.
The issue with mikeman is that he's a champion at everything Earth has to offer. 

Basically I don't believe he's a college kid. I believe it's starman but that's just my belief. No need to argue this, I get what you're saying.

Blah...blah...blah

So how come things don't start getting much lighter as you climb mountains?  You've had a couple of stabs at this already, but I think we both know you failed hard.

@sceptimatic give me the mathematical equation for denspressure, where the result is a downwards force in Newtons for an object with mass.

@sceptimatic give me the mathematical equation for denspressure, where the result is a downwards force in Newtons for an object with mass.

Ask Rayzor I'm sure he will tell you about denspressureequations. My name is DENPRESSURE.
Give Razor a nudge and ask him/yourself about DEN S PRESSURE. 

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 12:39:45 PM

@sceptimatic give me the mathematical equation for denspressure, where the result is a downwards force in Newtons for an object with mass.

Ask Rayzor I'm sure he will tell you about denspressureequations. My name is DENPRESSURE.
Give Razor a nudge and ask him/yourself about DEN S PRESSURE. 

I'll ask you one more time...

Give me the equations for denpressure AND quit trolling around, PLEASE?

I am most certainly not an expert at everything.  I am good at a lot of things, and that's because I take it upon myself to learn a lot and try new things.  It can be quite fun, you should try it some time.

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As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Seems to repel Helium or hot air balloons.

It doesn't. They are weighed down. But Helium and hot air ballons are less dense, so they weight of the surrounding air pushes them up. It's the same force that keeps boats floating on water; Buoyancy. But buoyancy requires gravity. Without gravity the air would decompress into space, and then the water as well, and everything would float around freely since there is nothing that keeps things to the ground.

Sounds just like denpressure, less dense things move to the top. Simple.
How does gravity work, is it like some sort of magnet?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 08:13:11 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 08:04:01 AM

I have no desire to climb a mountain.

Then drive.  You can get up to nearly 11,000 ft in Spain in a car.

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I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way.

You don't need to acclimatise to go up to 10,000 ft.

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Not to mention the severe cold on he body.

I was in a t-shirt at the top of Triglav last year.  It's not that cold in the summer - I think it was about 15c.

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It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

So, it's manageable and a death sentence?  This doesn't make sense. 

Stop being so dramatic, we are talking about mountains that millions have walked up.

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blah...blah...avoid the issue...blah....blah..

So the question that remains is: why don't things weigh a third less at 10,000 ft?

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

Lets say someone has weighed himself both on ground and on a mountain. What sort of evidence regarding this matter will be convincing to you ? Like, if its a photo you might say its fake!

scepti always resorts to these tactics.  Anyone who immediately thinks anyone who says something he doesn't like is lying usually is not a very trustworthy individual anyway.  I once described a climbing expedition that I did with some of my family a few years ago and he flew into a tantrum calling me a liar about it.  But I can assure you that you can survive with some supplemental air supply at least up to a little above 21000 ft from personal experience.  Yet because I did it myself, as most FE supporters say you can only trust personal experience, I must be lying since he thinks you will die if you go above 18000 ft and you cannot carry enough gear to get any higher.  Oddly due to the weight of the gear, and at such a low air pressure it should be in his model almost weightless.  But hey, who am I to point out massive inconsistencies with his failed ideas. 

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I have no desire to climb a mountain.

Then drive.  You can get up to nearly 11,000 ft in Spain in a car.

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I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way.

You don't need to acclimatise to go up to 10,000 ft.

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Not to mention the severe cold on he body.

I was in a t-shirt at the top of Triglav last year.  It's not that cold in the summer - I think it was about 15c.

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It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

So, it's manageable and a death sentence?  This doesn't make sense. 

Stop being so dramatic, we are talking about mountains that millions have walked up.

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blah...blah...avoid the issue...blah....blah..

So the question that remains is: why don't things weigh a third less at 10,000 ft?

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

Lets say someone has weighed himself both on ground and on a mountain. What sort of evidence regarding this matter will be convincing to you ? Like, if its a photo you might say its fake!

People send accelerometers in Near-space balloons all the time. The difference in vertical acceleration is minimal.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 03:58:01 AM

Quote from: tappet on July 09, 2015, 03:38:44 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 03:33:17 AM

Quote from: tappet on July 09, 2015, 03:13:39 AM

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Seems to repel Helium or hot air balloons.

It doesn't. They are weighed down. But Helium and hot air ballons are less dense, so they weight of the surrounding air pushes them up. It's the same force that keeps boats floating on water; Buoyancy. But buoyancy requires gravity. Without gravity the air would decompress into space, and then the water as well, and everything would float around freely since there is nothing that keeps things to the ground.

Sounds just like denpressure, less dense things move to the top. Simple.
How does gravity work, is it like some sort of magnet?

That's not denpressure, it's buoyancy.

Gravity is not quite like a magnet, but somewhat. Basically, mass creates a well that particles are attracted to.

How does gravity work, is it like some sort of magnet?

If it helps you to think of it that way, sure. Both the gravitational force and magnetic force have been measured to follow the inverse square law, so they're like cousin forces.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:45:15 PM

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 12:39:45 PM

@sceptimatic give me the mathematical equation for denspressure, where the result is a downwards force in Newtons for an object with mass.

Ask Rayzor I'm sure he will tell you about denspressureequations. My name is DENPRESSURE.
Give Razor a nudge and ask him/yourself about DEN S PRESSURE. 

I'll ask you one more time...

Give me the equations for denpressure AND quit trolling around, PLEASE?

Sceptimatic  doesn't do maths,   doesn't much care for logic either, that I've noticed.   He won't  answer because that would involve engaging in thought processes,  and that's not something he does much of either.

It's pigeons playing chess. 

The equation for denspressure  is   F = -mg    where m is the mass,  and g is 9.8 m/s/s .   F is the force in deniers.