Disproof of gravity

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:09:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.   

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:09:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:40:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:09:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:44:17 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:40:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:09:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

But aren't you putting the scales in a similar environment and negating the 32,000 feet experiment?

I mean, the plane is pressurised and heated so humans can survive as they would at sea level, so all you've done is taken your scales to someone else's house, basically.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:46:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:44:17 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:40:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 01:09:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

But aren't you putting the scales in a similar environment and negating the 32,000 feet experiment?

I mean, the plane is pressurised and heated so humans can survive as they would at sea level, so all you've done is taken your scales to someone else's house, basically.

Who said it was pressurized?   I specifically nominated 4 psi. 

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 01:50:59 AM

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Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

But aren't you putting the scales in a similar environment and negating the 32,000 feet experiment?

I mean, the plane is pressurised and heated so humans can survive as they would at sea level, so all you've done is taken your scales to someone else's house, basically.

Who said it was pressurized?   I specifically nominated 4 psi.

You're going to have to up your game or deck out.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 02:07:29 AM

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Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

But aren't you putting the scales in a similar environment and negating the 32,000 feet experiment?

I mean, the plane is pressurised and heated so humans can survive as they would at sea level, so all you've done is taken your scales to someone else's house, basically.

Who said it was pressurized?   I specifically nominated 4 psi.

You're going to have to up your game or deck out.

You need to stop making assumptions,   I was thinking of Halo jumps,  but  Jimmy has a good point,  Mt Everest is about 29,000 ft above sea level,  so people should weigh 1/4 of what they weigh at sea level,  that doesn't happen.   So denspressure fails.

I'll reverse the argument,  I've given examples of things denpressure can't explain,  how about you suggest something that gravity doesn't explain?

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 08, 2015, 03:56:11 PM

So the explanation for the lift in scepti's terms was that the floor of the lift moving upwards causes the air to compress towards the roof of the lift car thus pressing you back down.  Ok this air movement is so slight that it isn't even felt correct.   So lets say this air pressure difference makes your weight increase for the beginning of the acceleration by 1%.  Not a large amount but say a 100 kg person in the lift will momentarily weigh 101kg due to scepti's air movement to increase pressure at the top to push this person back down.
Ok, next step then.  Take a fan blowing roughly 150 times as much as this slight air movement.  This would compress the air on one side ot the lift car 150% correct?  Why is the person not throw to the opposite wall?  Have the fan not blowing on the person but angled at the wall behind him.  So you won't have the air movement canceling itself out.  If we insist it is the oncoming air canceling the effect out then why doesn't the movement of the air going upwards not cancel itself out in the lift car scenario?

The lift car is not a sealed container, so as it falls (for instance), the density of the lift down the shaft pushes against the air under it and compresses it. This compressed air is channelled back around the lift and back up the sides of it, plus the air seeps into the car itself and builds up he pressure inside that car, which creates more pressure inside.
While this is all happening, the external lift roof is moving away from the atmosphere at speed so the atmosphere cannot compress it, meaning there is a pressure difference between the front, sides and top.

Because the air above is less compressed than below, that has to be equalised all the time and it does by the compressed air under the lift being pushed back around it and over he top which fills the lower pressure the lift leave behind it as it plummets.

The opposite happens when ascending, only it requires energy to push the lift up so it will be slower changes in pressure which would be hardly noticeable.

You mention a fan. Go and see the fans that the sky divers practice on that keep them afloat. The only difference to what's happening to them is the fact that air pressure is being compressed below creating a massive void of lower pressure above he people. Because of this, they float on he higher pressure cushion.

This is what happens in lifts, cars, buses, trains and planes, etc.
The problem is, because gravity is mentioned in such a way - atmospheric pressure gets thrown aside as if it's a nothing. People just think it's a small breeze of air that's insignificant.
It's only insignificant to us because we are equalised to it.
The minute it becomes unequal on us, we start to feel it. We feel the pressure change. Now that's either wind or accelerating in a vehicle or free falling from a plane, etc.

Gravity 100% does not exist. It's made up nonsense to cater for the globe and space.
Atmospheric pressure  is the reason why everything works and happens that we know of. The space that we don't know of is irrelevant, because it doesn't exist.

I've done the maths according to your model now, this is the result:

Your model is impossible. If somehow air pressure and buoyancy worked, and there was nothing such as gravity, we'd be subject to 0.841N of force (If we assume an average human) that would push us UP. The problem is that without gravity, buoyancy is impossible, so already there your model falls apart. Air pressure would subject an average human to roughly 177275 N of force, that is equally distributed (except for the extra pushing us up due to buoyancy) And our internal pressure is the same, also in every direction, so there is no force pushing us down.

Also, if gravity does not exist, what is keeping the atmosphere from expanding out into space? We already know that air pressure decreases the higher (further away from the central point of gravity) we go, and without gravity the higher pressure air down here should decompress to compress the less compressed air above. We know that matter strives for equal pressure, so why is the atmospheric pressure not equally distributed? That would be impossible according to your model, but we can climb mount everest and feel it ourselves.

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Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

At  32,000 feet  where the air pressure is  4 psi,   about  1/4 of what it is at sea level,   a 1kg lump of lead will still weigh close to 1kg.     
So it's  not air pressure or density that produces the force  that gives the 1kg mass it's weight,  how does denspressure explain the discrepancy?

How about telling me how you weigh it. Don't just tell me what it weighs. Tell me how you go about weighing it.
Sky scales?

Just ordinary scales.

So where do you take them to weigh the lead?

On a plane.

But aren't you putting the scales in a similar environment and negating the 32,000 feet experiment?

I mean, the plane is pressurised and heated so humans can survive as they would at sea level, so all you've done is taken your scales to someone else's house, basically.

Who said it was pressurized?   I specifically nominated 4 psi.

You're going to have to up your game or deck out.

You need to stop making assumptions,   I was thinking of Halo jumps,  but  Jimmy has a good point,  Mt Everest is about 29,000 ft above sea level,  so people should weigh 1/4 of what they weigh at sea level,  that doesn't happen.   So denspressure fails.

I'll reverse the argument,  I've given examples of things denpressure can't explain,  how about you suggest something that gravity doesn't explain?

Do you personally know anything about the top of Everest and how much anything weighs up there?
You seem to be making assumptions about scales and weights up there without anything to back it up. You can't use little crabby.

You've given me nothing that denpressure can't explain. Nothing provable, anyway.
I can't disprove your gravity because how can you disprove something that does not exist? that's why gravity is perfect for feeding the population, bullshit.

When the real reason for gravity is put forward and makes complete sense, you get people that say, " you can't have atmospheric pressure without gravity." 

You see, gravity caters for everything. Mainstream say it and make any shit up and that's that. The ordinary thinker counteracts it and they are called NUTTERS or TROUBLEMAKERS or conspiracy clowns. For what?

For actually using logic to scupper a ridiculous magical force that apparently isn't a force when the timer arises - depending on the argument, which can be explained but not proven to exist and even scientists say they don't fully understand it, yet can predict it for all kinds of things as well as graity measurements on planets as far as you want to think.

And people believe this shit. It's bastard shocking that so called intelligent people actually still believe it when they can see the reality.

I've done the maths according to your model now, this is the result:

Your model is impossible. If somehow air pressure and buoyancy worked, and there was nothing such as gravity, we'd be subject to 0.841N of force (If we assume an average human) that would push us UP. The problem is that without gravity, buoyancy is impossible, so already there your model falls apart. Air pressure would subject an average human to roughly 177275 N of force, that is equally distributed (except for the extra pushing us up due to buoyancy) And our internal pressure is the same, also in every direction, so there is no force pushing us down.

Also, if gravity does not exist, what is keeping the atmosphere from expanding out into space? We already know that air pressure decreases the higher (further away from the central point of gravity) we go, and without gravity the higher pressure air down here should decompress to compress the less compressed air above. We know that matter strives for equal pressure, so why is the atmospheric pressure not equally distributed? That would be impossible according to your model, but we can climb mount everest and feel it ourselves.

I'll get back to you on this if I decide to. You see I don't know if I can be arsed with you. Weren't you the one that binned me?

Just by reading what you said, I doubt you actually want to know the truth. Your head is so far up gravity's arse that it could be there forever.

Scientists aren't calculating magical forces like gravity. They're calculating reality in atmospheric pressure in another way and just applying the word gravity to it.

Anyway, all of what you said, is wrong, you're just too arrogant to accept that.

Do you personally know anything about the top of Everest and how much anything weighs up there?
You seem to be making assumptions about scales and weights up there without anything to back it up. You can't use little crabby.

You've given me nothing that denpressure can't explain. Nothing provable, anyway.
I can't disprove your gravity because how can you disprove something that does not exist? that's why gravity is perfect for feeding the population, bullshit.

When the real reason for gravity is put forward and makes complete sense, you get people that say, " you can't have atmospheric pressure without gravity." 

You see, gravity caters for everything. Mainstream say it and make any shit up and that's that. The ordinary thinker counteracts it and they are called NUTTERS or TROUBLEMAKERS or conspiracy clowns. For what?

For actually using logic to scupper a ridiculous magical force that apparently isn't a force when the timer arises - depending on the argument, which can be explained but not proven to exist and even scientists say they don't fully understand it, yet can predict it for all kinds of things as well as graity measurements on planets as far as you want to think.

And people believe this shit. It's bastard shocking that so called intelligent people actually still believe it when they can see the reality.

Denspressure can't explain why weight changes with acceleration,  ( remember the lift and the zero G aeroplane. )

it can't explain why things still weight the same in vacuum,   it can't explain why things still weigh nearly the same at high altitude. 

And yes,  gravity does elegantly explain all of those things,  as well as tides,  orbits of the planets,  orbit of the earth around the sun,  in fact everything we observe up to galactic scales, at those scales it seems to fail,  but if might just be that it is predicting the existence of dark matter.   Denspressure fails at the very very basics.

Gravity is not magic,   at least not at the level we are discussing.    I think you are too deep into the conspiracy mindset to see the reality,   that's your choice not mine.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 02:27:42 AM

Do you personally know anything about the top of Everest and how much anything weighs up there?
You seem to be making assumptions about scales and weights up there without anything to back it up. You can't use little crabby.

You've given me nothing that denpressure can't explain. Nothing provable, anyway.
I can't disprove your gravity because how can you disprove something that does not exist? that's why gravity is perfect for feeding the population, bullshit.

When the real reason for gravity is put forward and makes complete sense, you get people that say, " you can't have atmospheric pressure without gravity." 

You see, gravity caters for everything. Mainstream say it and make any shit up and that's that. The ordinary thinker counteracts it and they are called NUTTERS or TROUBLEMAKERS or conspiracy clowns. For what?

For actually using logic to scupper a ridiculous magical force that apparently isn't a force when the timer arises - depending on the argument, which can be explained but not proven to exist and even scientists say they don't fully understand it, yet can predict it for all kinds of things as well as graity measurements on planets as far as you want to think.

And people believe this shit. It's bastard shocking that so called intelligent people actually still believe it when they can see the reality.

Denspressure can't explain why weight changes with acceleration,  ( remember the lift and the zero G aeroplane. )

it can't explain why things still weight the same in vacuum,   it can't explain why things still weigh nearly the same at high altitude. 

And yes,  gravity does elegantly explain all of those things,  as well as tides,  orbits of the planets,  orbit of the earth around the sun,  in fact everything we observe up to galactic scales, at those scales it seems to fail,  but if might just be that it is predicting the existence of dark matter.   Denspressure fails at the very very basics.

Gravity is not magic,   at least not at the level we are discussing.    I think you are too deep into the conspiracy mind set to see the reality,   that's your choice not mine.

Well, it seems like we've hit a dead end. You have tried your best to disprove denpressure and only made it stronger.
Your gravity is getting weaker (pardon the pun) by the second and will be seen through by many, in due course.

Good try but just not good enough. I can see the desperation in your post that you have nothing else to add.
Send someone else in or up your game.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 02:38:01 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 02:27:42 AM

Do you personally know anything about the top of Everest and how much anything weighs up there?
You seem to be making assumptions about scales and weights up there without anything to back it up. You can't use little crabby.

You've given me nothing that denpressure can't explain. Nothing provable, anyway.
I can't disprove your gravity because how can you disprove something that does not exist? that's why gravity is perfect for feeding the population, bullshit.

When the real reason for gravity is put forward and makes complete sense, you get people that say, " you can't have atmospheric pressure without gravity." 

You see, gravity caters for everything. Mainstream say it and make any shit up and that's that. The ordinary thinker counteracts it and they are called NUTTERS or TROUBLEMAKERS or conspiracy clowns. For what?

For actually using logic to scupper a ridiculous magical force that apparently isn't a force when the timer arises - depending on the argument, which can be explained but not proven to exist and even scientists say they don't fully understand it, yet can predict it for all kinds of things as well as graity measurements on planets as far as you want to think.

And people believe this shit. It's bastard shocking that so called intelligent people actually still believe it when they can see the reality.

Denspressure can't explain why weight changes with acceleration,  ( remember the lift and the zero G aeroplane. )

it can't explain why things still weight the same in vacuum,   it can't explain why things still weigh nearly the same at high altitude. 

And yes,  gravity does elegantly explain all of those things,  as well as tides,  orbits of the planets,  orbit of the earth around the sun,  in fact everything we observe up to galactic scales, at those scales it seems to fail,  but if might just be that it is predicting the existence of dark matter.   Denspressure fails at the very very basics.

Gravity is not magic,   at least not at the level we are discussing.    I think you are too deep into the conspiracy mind set to see the reality,   that's your choice not mine.

Well, it seems like we've hit a dead end. You have tried your best to disprove denpressure and only made it stronger.
Your gravity is getting weaker (pardon the pun) by the second and will be seen through by many, in due course.

Good try but just not good enough. I can see the desperation in your post that you have nothing else to add.
Send someone else in or up your game.

I never expected to change you mind,  but I hope I rattled a few neurons,  either way,   we did make a little progress and who knows,  just a few more steps and you might get there.   

Thanks for an interesting  debate.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 02:19:38 AM

I've done the maths according to your model now, this is the result:

Your model is impossible. If somehow air pressure and buoyancy worked, and there was nothing such as gravity, we'd be subject to 0.841N of force (If we assume an average human) that would push us UP. The problem is that without gravity, buoyancy is impossible, so already there your model falls apart. Air pressure would subject an average human to roughly 177275 N of force, that is equally distributed (except for the extra pushing us up due to buoyancy) And our internal pressure is the same, also in every direction, so there is no force pushing us down.

Also, if gravity does not exist, what is keeping the atmosphere from expanding out into space? We already know that air pressure decreases the higher (further away from the central point of gravity) we go, and without gravity the higher pressure air down here should decompress to compress the less compressed air above. We know that matter strives for equal pressure, so why is the atmospheric pressure not equally distributed? That would be impossible according to your model, but we can climb mount everest and feel it ourselves.

I'll get back to you on this if I decide to. You see I don't know if I can be arsed with you. Weren't you the one that binned me?

Just by reading what you said, I doubt you actually want to know the truth. Your head is so far up gravity's arse that it could be there forever.

Scientists aren't calculating magical forces like gravity. They're calculating reality in atmospheric pressure in another way and just applying the word gravity to it.

Anyway, all of what you said, is wrong, you're just too arrogant to accept that.

All that I said is right. You know why? Cause all that is based on math. Your chance of proving me wrong is the same chance that you have proving that 1+1 actually equals 3; it's impossible. You are obviously too ignorant to learn anything, you make everything up in your mind and you back it up with stupidity. You haven't disproven anyone in this whole thread yet, you haven't shown us any proof of denspressure. I did some thinking and calculating according to your model usig math, and your model makes so many things impossible.

According to your model, there is no buoyancy. Buoyancy requires gravity so buoyancy is impossible. Yet there are boats.
According to your model, any difference in air pressure creates overwhelming forces, forces that for example keeps us down on the ground if we jump or go up. Yet why don't we fall slowly. When we fall we leave behind us a small area of decompressed air, and as we accelerate the air becomes more and more decompressed. Since such small compression/decompression from jumping creates a force so trong it keeps us to the ground, the extreme compression/decompression from falling should sling us right back up. This doesn't happen. And the difference in pressure between sea level atmosphere and space should create a mas evacuation of air, so strong that everything would be sucked up into space because of the sudden extreme decompression. This doesn't happen.

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Quote from: tappet on July 09, 2015, 03:13:39 AM

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Seems to repel Helium or hot air balloons.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 03:33:17 AM

Quote from: tappet on July 09, 2015, 03:13:39 AM

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Seems to repel Helium or hot air balloons.

It doesn't. They are weighed down. But Helium and hot air ballons are less dense, so they weight of the surrounding air pushes them up. It's the same force that keeps boats floating on water; Buoyancy. But buoyancy requires gravity. Without gravity the air would decompress into space, and then the water as well, and everything would float around freely since there is nothing that keeps things to the ground.

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 03:33:17 AM

Quote from: tappet on July 09, 2015, 03:13:39 AM

As time goes by Scepti's denpressure is sounding a lot more reasonable than the magic force gravity.
I don't understand how gravity pulls some things towards the earth but repels others.

Gravity doesn't repell anything. It's harder to understand why air magically pushes everything down, and why things don't weigh less when there is less air pushing things down. The math's don't work for that, but it works with gravity.

Seems to repel Helium or hot air balloons.

If you would launch a space proof balloon upwards, it could float up until a certain point where the forces of gravity and atmospheric buoyancy are equal, and it would stay at that altitude. Don't confuse buoyancy with gravity.

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

This post just made it into the top 10 dumbest posts ever posted here. Congrats.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 09, 2015, 12:38:09 AM

We already proved that objects fall at an acceleration independent of their mass,  and that  some force is acting to give weight to mass.   You think air pressure,  I say gravity. 

So we need to dig  deeper to get to the truth.   

If we go further down the path of examining the detail of denspressure,  the air pressure comes from the weight of the atmosphere above the surface,  as you go higher the pressure decreases.

So where does air pressure come from,   where does that 14.7 psi come from? 

Putting it another way, what gives the mass of air it's weight?

All matter under your feet is stacked in a sandwich like dense form and the denser matter is naturally more compressed.
Once energy is applied, this dense matter can be broken down. It can be friction burned and vibrated to expand against where it's compressed at. This means it pushes through material above it which immediately tries to crush it but only manages to push it up.

This happens all the way up with all kinds of matter in all kinds of densities and expansions; eventually ending up on top as water, then atmosphere that consists of a lot of other expanding and contracting elements or matter that settle into their own sandwich depending on their energy of push and also squeeze of denser mater that tries to crush the less dense, meaning it's PUSHED higher. As this expansion goes on and on, it creates the atmosphere from compressed to basically super expanded up in the sky.

There's much more to it but the basics is what people need to grasp. Whether you do or will or care, is entirely down to you.

One thing for certain. here's absolutely no such thing as gravity. It's fantasy and a con job to hide the true Earth and what the so called universe actually is.
It's all there right in your face if you dare to open your eyes and allow yourself to think outside of those labs that the paid scientists patrol to make sure you follow their model, or he model they've been given for you to learn.

This post just made it into the top 10 dumbest posts ever posted here. Congrats.

Here's the thing, little sokes.
You see, by you trying to tell me that it's in your top 10 dumbest posts means absolutely nothing to me. All it shows me is, that you have no clue about atmospheric pressure. You only think you do and yet you...among many like you, hang onto gravity like tugging at your mummy's skirt and yet can't explain what it is. 

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 06:11:55 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

I see the bullshit septic, when was your last post without some. Is the weight loss linear as to pressure or some other relationship. Try not to bullshit I don't like the smell.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:16:09 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on July 09, 2015, 06:11:55 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 09, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 05:55:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2015, 02:09:14 AM

scepti, you don't need to get on a plane.  Just climb a mountain.

At 10,000ft at air pressure will be about 10 psi.  Which means everything up there should weigh a third less than usual, right?

I've climbed several mountains of this height, and I know from hauling a rucksack up them that things definitely don't get a third lighter at the top.  In fact if that did happen the top of every mountain would be full of climbers bouncing around enjoying their low weight.  This doesn't happen.

There are several mountains this height in Europe that can be climbed without specialist equipment in the summer - so in case you think there is some mass conspiracy to hide the fact that everything is really light at the top of big mountains, you can try it yourself.

So, any answer to this scepti?   Why, when I climbed Mt Triglav last year did I not feel a third lighter at the top?  Why was my rucksack still really heavy?

Look. If you can climb a mountain without specialist equipment, then the mountain is nothing special and also not very high compared to many.

Now you say it's 10,000 feet. If it was you never climbed it; simple as that.
Now when you go up any height, your rucksack will still feel heavy - in fact - heavier, because your body is becoming weaker due to changes in atmospheric pressure and also the fact that your thighs are ploughing through that atmospheric pressure.

You have no intention of understanding it so I won't go right into it.

So you're completely ignoring facts now?

No, I'm trying to give you some facts. Just because some bozo shouts out that they've climbed 10,000 foot high mountains without specialist equipment doesn't mean what they're saying, is true.

If you even tried to understand atmospheric pressure and how it all works, then not only would you see the bullshit in a lot of stuff you thought was real but you would also be able to push on from this point and actually see lot's more for yourself, including how much of a pathetic con gravity is.

I see the bullshit septic, when was your last post without some. Is the weight loss linear as to pressure or some other relationship. Try not to bullshit I don't like the smell.

Go and play with the crayon's, kid. You don't get to play with me with a shit attitude. Go and get some counselling and come back, then we can talk.