Disproof of gravity

As I become more indoctrinated in the FET, I don't believe in gravity either. Here is a excerpt from a paper written by Aaron Guerami, Titled 'Disproof of Gravity'. He doesn't believe in gravity either. He has written a whole paper, with many examples as to why he doesn't believe in gravity. I've just attached just one of his examples. I'd like to know everyone response to this.
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1) Experimentally
One simple experiment shows there is no gravity. The Helium Balloon. It rises. How is this
possible? Classical Mechanics shows that Force equals the Constant of Gravity multiplied by the
Mass of Object 1 multiplied by the Mass of Object 2 divided by the Distance between the two
masses raised to the second power.
F=GM1M2/r^2
With this logic, the mass of the Earth is so great that the helium balloon would have no choice but
to be attracted to the Earth. We have mass 1 pulling on mass 2 and mass 2 pulling on mass 1.
F1 = F2. This is just wrong. The force of the balloon that pulls the Earth is not equal to the force
that the Earth pulls on the balloon. It would not rise. What we see in the experiment that the
helium is rising to meet its level of density.

Thanks...Yendor

Seriously Yendor?
Helium is less dense than air, therefore it will float on the air.  Much like stuff that is less dense than water will float on the top.  Tell ya what, try the helium balloon in a vacuum chamber, it wont float up then.
Well we would need something stronger than a rubber balloon since it would just expand from the ratio of pressure inside vs outside of it.

Seriously Yendor?
Helium is less dense than air, therefore it will float on the air.  Much like stuff that is less dense than water will float on the top.  Tell ya what, try the helium balloon in a vacuum chamber, it wont float up then.
Well we would need something stronger than a rubber balloon since it would just expand from the ratio of pressure inside vs outside of it.

Mikey T.
Yes I know, right. I'm just going by what Aaron says, " based on the formula F=GM1M2/r^2, It wouldn't leave the Earth's surface. Read again what he says.

Yendor

Don't get your hopes up, you can talk for pages and they'll just constantly evade or repeat things covered in your first post. Round earthers are incapable of defending their view from more than a handful of cliche questions.

Who is Aaron Guaremi? What are his credentials? He sounds like a retard.

Don't get your hopes up, you can talk for pages and they'll just constantly evade or repeat things covered in your first post. Round earthers are incapable of defending their view from more than a handful of cliche questions.

JRoweSkeptic,

I hope you are wrong. I Know it is hard for people to go against the grain of what they were taught in school. I keep hoping at least one REer will open their mind and see what I see. All I can do is keep trying. I'm glad there are people like you on this forum that see eye to eye.

Yendor

Who is Aaron Guaremi? What are his credentials? He sounds like a retard.

Itchy get used to it there is no phenomena like gravity
people stay in ground because they are heavy than air.
why we are heavy because heaviness is a constant in nature it's something that has its own validity.

Who is Aaron Guaremi? What are his credentials? He sounds like a retard.

Itchy,

Why should any of that matter. Are you saying if you don't have college degrees or fancy credentials you are irrelevant. Have you not heard of Bill Gates or the founder of HP, to name a few. Just read what he wrote and simply prove him wrong.

Yendor

Do you understand why you are wrong in the OP?

Do you understand why you are wrong in the OP?

sokarul,
I understand I may not be right, but please explain why I'm wrong.

Thanks,
Yendor

Seriously Yendor?
Helium is less dense than air, therefore it will float on the air.  Much like stuff that is less dense than water will float on the top.  Tell ya what, try the helium balloon in a vacuum chamber, it wont float up then.
Well we would need something stronger than a rubber balloon since it would just expand from the ratio of pressure inside vs outside of it.

This is why.

Quote from: sokarul on June 23, 2015, 10:18:40 AM

Do you understand why you are wrong in the OP?

sokarul,
I understand I may not be right, but please explain why I'm wrong.

Thanks,
Yendor

Yendor you are very good example of honest man who wants to know the truth. round earther here market us some "truths" they are paid or career depends on it.

Quote from: Mikey T. on June 23, 2015, 09:18:37 AM

Seriously Yendor?
Helium is less dense than air, therefore it will float on the air.  Much like stuff that is less dense than water will float on the top.  Tell ya what, try the helium balloon in a vacuum chamber, it wont float up then.
Well we would need something stronger than a rubber balloon since it would just expand from the ratio of pressure inside vs outside of it.

This is why.

sokarul,
I believe Mr. Guerami was talking about the Earth's atmosphere. As we all know we don't live in a vacuum. Unless you guys believe we do now.

Yendor

Yes, the force of gravity lessens very slightly as you move away from the surface.  It is not linear.  But gravity is not what is in question with a helium balloon floating.  The rubber of the balloon and the mass of the helium is in fact attracted to the Earth, yet the pressure or density of the atmosphere is higher than the balloon filled with helium therefore it will float up through the atmosphere until it pops from low pressure, then the volume of the balloon is reduced but the mass of the rubber making up the balloon is the same.  It is no longer less dense than the surrounding atmosphere so it has nothing to float on and it will fall due to gravity. 
The atmosphere acts like a fluid, and it obeys fluid dynamics.  The less dense something is will rise to the top, until it reaches a layer that is less dense than it.  So it will not continue to float up and escape Earths gravity unless the atmosphere extended out forever at a density higher than the balloon, which it doesn't. 
Another thing is, that air pressure is a result of gravity also, the closer you get to the surface of the Earth the higher the pressure or density of the air is.  The same with water.  The further down below the surface of the water you go the higher the pressure.  The water above is pressing down on the water below, the same as the atmosphere.
I know JRowe thinks I am evading, but he is quite ignorant of many things so anything he doesn't understand is evasion in his mind.  He is completely irrelevant so pay him no mind please.  Also I do not work for the government modestman, I am not paid to give you information.  I speak to what is true, what I have learned, seen with my own eyes, and/or verified myself through math or experience. 

Yendor you are very good example of honest man who wants to know the truth. round earther here market us some "truths" they are paid or career depends on it.
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Modestman,

Thank you very much for saying that. I appreciate it. I didn't come here to fight and call people names if they don't agree with me. I know alot of that goes on here and I don't want to be part of it. I've always worked in other areas and never cared what the Earth was doing. Since I retired and found this site and started researching for some unknown reason I want to know everything about it and yes I'd like to find the truth even if it is little pieces at a time. Again thank You.

Yendor

1) Experimentally
One simple experiment shows there is no gravity. The Helium Balloon. It rises. How is this
possible? Classical Mechanics shows that Force equals the Constant of Gravity multiplied by the
Mass of Object 1 multiplied by the Mass of Object 2 divided by the Distance between the two
masses raised to the second power.
F=GM1M2/r^2
With this logic, the mass of the Earth is so great that the helium balloon would have no choice but
to be attracted to the Earth. We have mass 1 pulling on mass 2 and mass 2 pulling on mass 1.
F1 = F2. This is just wrong. The force of the balloon that pulls the Earth is not equal to the force
that the Earth pulls on the balloon. It would not rise. What we see in the experiment that the
helium is rising to meet its level of density.

Wow, yeah.  That's gravity debunked.

Oh, wait...hang on...what's this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

Yes, the force of gravity lessens very slightly as you move away from the surface.  It is not linear.  But gravity is not what is in question with a helium balloon floating.  The rubber of the balloon and the mass of the helium is in fact attracted to the Earth, yet the pressure or density of the atmosphere is higher than the balloon filled with helium therefore it will float up through the atmosphere until it pops from low pressure, then the volume of the balloon is reduced but the mass of the rubber making up the balloon is the same.  It is no longer less dense than the surrounding atmosphere so it has nothing to float on and it will fall due to gravity. 
The atmosphere acts like a fluid, and it obeys fluid dynamics.  The less dense something is will rise to the top, until it reaches a layer that is less dense than it.  So it will not continue to float up and escape Earths gravity unless the atmosphere extended out forever at a density higher than the balloon, which it doesn't. 
Another thing is, that air pressure is a result of gravity also, the closer you get to the surface of the Earth the higher the pressure or density of the air is.  The same with water.  The further down below the surface of the water you go the higher the pressure.  The water above is pressing down on the water below, the same as the atmosphere.
I know JRowe thinks I am evading, but he is quite ignorant of many things so anything he doesn't understand is evasion in his mind.  He is completely irrelevant so pay him no mind please.  Also I do not work for the government modestman, I am not paid to give you information.  I speak to what is true, what I have learned, seen with my own eyes, and/or verified myself through math or experience. 

Mickey T.
So, you are saying that gravity, based on force equals the constant of gravity multiplied by the mass of the earth multiplied by the mass of the balloon divided by the distance between them raised to the second power would not be powerful enough to keep the balloon on the ground. Gravity keeps us on the ground why wouldn't it keep a little balloon filled with helium on the ground? We can even say instead of a balloon, let's say a little wooden box filled with helium.
Thanks,
Yendor

Because the density of the balloon when filled with helium is lower than the atmosphere surrounding it by a good bit.  The same could be said for a balloon filled with carbon dioxide underwater (you know if you could blow a balloon up under water and release it.  It would float to the top rather quickly and then float on top of the water.  Or release an ice cube from your freezer underwater, it will float to the top since it contains air pockets, its density is less than the surrounding water and it will float up. 
So yes, gravity on such a small mass when the density is much lower would not overcome the tendancy to float to the lower density area.

Quote from: Yendor on June 23, 2015, 09:13:53 AM

1) Experimentally
One simple experiment shows there is no gravity. The Helium Balloon. It rises. How is this
possible? Classical Mechanics shows that Force equals the Constant of Gravity multiplied by the
Mass of Object 1 multiplied by the Mass of Object 2 divided by the Distance between the two
masses raised to the second power.
F=GM1M2/r^2
With this logic, the mass of the Earth is so great that the helium balloon would have no choice but
to be attracted to the Earth. We have mass 1 pulling on mass 2 and mass 2 pulling on mass 1.
F1 = F2. This is just wrong. The force of the balloon that pulls the Earth is not equal to the force
that the Earth pulls on the balloon. It would not rise. What we see in the experiment that the
helium is rising to meet its level of density.

Wow, yeah.  That's gravity debunked.

Oh, wait...hang on...what's this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

Jimmy,
I read wikipedia on Buoyancy and I believe understand how to works. Heck, I lived on a ship for five years and I have a swimming pool and I can float in it all day. For the life of me, I can't see what this has to do with gravity. I think it has to do weight an density of an object. I think they just threw in, "This can occur only in a reference frame which either has a gravitational field or is accelerating due to a force other than gravity", to make REers feel good. Keep trying, you're bound to get it right.

Thanks,
Yendor

Because the density of the balloon when filled with helium is lower than the atmosphere surrounding it by a good bit.  The same could be said for a balloon filled with carbon dioxide underwater (you know if you could blow a balloon up under water and release it.  It would float to the top rather quickly and then float on top of the water.  Or release an ice cube from your freezer underwater, it will float to the top since it contains air pockets, its density is less than the surrounding water and it will float up. 
So yes, gravity on such a small mass when the density is much lower would not overcome the tendancy to float to the lower density area.

Mikey T.

I understand what you are telling me. I've seen balloons float away and ice cubes rise to the surface. But could you kindly work out the formula for me and show me the results of the earth's gravity pulling on a helium filled balloon that is 10" diameter. I haven't done much math for a long time. If you don't want to that's fine.

Thanks,
Yendor

Yendor,

Here is something to think about,  go outside and  throw a rock as hard as you can and observe it's flight,   you will find the rock travels in a curved path,  that curve is called a parabola,  with slight corrections for wind resistance.   So why does the rock follow a parabolic path?

The answer is that all trajectories in a gravitational field are conic sections  ( you can look that up ) so the shape of the trajectory the rock follows is proof that the force acting on it are following the inverse square law.   That force is gravity.

Yendor,

Here is something to think about,  go outside and  throw a rock as hard as you can and observe it's flight,   you will find the rock travels in a curved path,  that curve is called a parabola,  with slight corrections for wind resistance.   So why does the rock follow a parabolic path?

The answer is that all trajectories in a gravitational field are conic sections  ( you can look that up ) so the shape of the trajectory the rock follows is proof that the force acting on it are following the inverse square law.   That force is gravity.

deception.

You see the phenomena than assemble according to the agenda the theory so common to the general deception.

Yendor,

Here is something to think about,  go outside and  throw a rock as hard as you can and observe it's flight,   you will find the rock travels in a curved path,  that curve is called a parabola,  with slight corrections for wind resistance.   So why does the rock follow a parabolic path?

The answer is that all trajectories in a gravitational field are conic sections  ( you can look that up ) so the shape of the trajectory the rock follows is proof that the force acting on it are following the inverse square law.   That force is gravity.

Rayzor,
I know you believe that, but really it is the atmospheric pressure of 15 psi pushing the rock down towards the ground. If the atmospheric pressure was to suddenly decrease in half, the rock would probably go twice as far. Gravity is simply atmospheric pressure working against the mass of an object. That's what i think.

Yendor

As I become more indoctrinated in the FET,

You're not even trying man

You see the phenomena than assemble according to the agenda the theory so common to the general deception.

Modestman,
Have you noticed the Big 'G' on the masonic symbol? Some people say it stands for gravity. You also must remember nine of the first twelve astronauts were masons. They displayed the mason apron when they landed on the moon, I mean sound stage. This says a lot to me.
Yendor

Quote from: Rayzor on June 23, 2015, 12:06:01 PM

Yendor,

Here is something to think about,  go outside and  throw a rock as hard as you can and observe it's flight,   you will find the rock travels in a curved path,  that curve is called a parabola,  with slight corrections for wind resistance.   So why does the rock follow a parabolic path?

The answer is that all trajectories in a gravitational field are conic sections  ( you can look that up ) so the shape of the trajectory the rock follows is proof that the force acting on it are following the inverse square law.   That force is gravity.

Rayzor,
I know you believe that, but really it is the atmospheric pressure of 15 psi pushing the rock down towards the ground. If the atmospheric pressure was to suddenly decrease in half, the rock would probably go twice as far. Gravity is simply atmospheric pressure working against the mass of an object. That's what i think.

Yendor

Prove it.

Quote from: Yendor on June 23, 2015, 09:13:53 AM

As I become more indoctrinated in the FET,

You're not even trying man

The Ellimist,
Give me a break man, I'm pedaling as fast as I can. Thanks for noticing though.
Yendor

Have you noticed the Big 'G' on the masonic symbol? Some people say it stands for gravity. You also must remember nine of the first twelve astronauts were masons. They displayed the mason apron when they landed on the moon, I mean sound stage.

Now I think you are taking the piss.

Quote from: Yendor on June 23, 2015, 12:28:59 PM

Quote from: Rayzor on June 23, 2015, 12:06:01 PM

Yendor,

Here is something to think about,  go outside and  throw a rock as hard as you can and observe it's flight,   you will find the rock travels in a curved path,  that curve is called a parabola,  with slight corrections for wind resistance.   So why does the rock follow a parabolic path?

The answer is that all trajectories in a gravitational field are conic sections  ( you can look that up ) so the shape of the trajectory the rock follows is proof that the force acting on it are following the inverse square law.   That force is gravity.

Rayzor,
I know you believe that, but really it is the atmospheric pressure of 15 psi pushing the rock down towards the ground. If the atmospheric pressure was to suddenly decrease in half, the rock would probably go twice as far. Gravity is simply atmospheric pressure working against the mass of an object. That's what i think.

Yendor

Prove it.

Rayzor,
Prove it. What, you don't believe in atmospheric pressure or it is not 14.7psi. Take a rock that weighs 15 pounds and throw it as far as you can. measure the distance. this rock will be 15 lbs. + the weight of the atmosphere. Now take another rock that weighs 30 lbs.  and through it as far as you can. measure that distance. The rock will be 30 lbs. + the weight of the atmosphere. I bet the 15 lb. rock will go further then the 30 lb rock. This is because you removed 15 lbs. from the rock that went further. The atmospheric pressure stayed the same. The only thing changed is the mass of the rocks. Again,  Gravity is simply atmospheric pressure working against the mass of an object.

Yendor