Why a Conspiracy?

For what reason would a conspiracy exist?

This is generally applicable. To assume dishonesty will prevent you getting anywhere in life. To me, it seems like there are two key ingredients. Without both of these, a conspiracy will fail.

• A motive
• Something to hide

The second is self-evident. There is no sea-travel conspiracy because what is there to hide about sea travel?
If the Flat Earth model is true (it's not), then there would be something to hide. We are left with the first point. A conspiracy wouldn't exist for the sake of it. What would the point be in hiding the shape of the world? What would the point be in faking space travel?
Political gains are meaningless, and there would be no motive to faking failures. There is no advantage, political or military or financial, to pretending to have gone to space. There is even less benefit to hiding the shape of the world.

A more reasonable conspiracy would be, for example, to suppose a weapon is developed secretly. There would be a motive to hiding that: avoiding panic. There is nothing comparable for space travel, and for that reason (among many others) we may safely reject the flat Earth.

For what reason would a conspiracy exist?

This is generally applicable. To assume dishonesty will prevent you getting anywhere in life. To me, it seems like there are two key ingredients. Without both of these, a conspiracy will fail.

• A motive
• Something to hide

The second is self-evident. There is no sea-travel conspiracy because what is there to hide about sea travel?
If the Flat Earth model is true (it's not), then there would be something to hide. We are left with the first point. A conspiracy wouldn't exist for the sake of it. What would the point be in hiding the shape of the world? What would the point be in faking space travel?
Political gains are meaningless, and there would be no motive to faking failures. There is no advantage, political or military or financial, to pretending to have gone to space. There is even less benefit to hiding the shape of the world.

A more reasonable conspiracy would be, for example, to suppose a weapon is developed secretly. There would be a motive to hiding that: avoiding panic. There is nothing comparable for space travel, and for that reason (among many others) we may safely reject the flat Earth.

I myself think the hole idea of a conspiracey to be false and a sham. However many felow FErs beleive in it so ill explane: They genereley domt beleive there trying to hide the shape of the Earth. Most beleive the govt truley does beleive the earth is round but that the space misions are fake and creatid from Cold War histerea.

I myself think the hole idea of a conspiracey to be false and a sham. However many felow FErs beleive in it so ill explane: They genereley domt beleive there trying to hide the shape of the Earth. Most beleive the govt truley does beleive the earth is round but that the space misions are fake and creatid from Cold War histerea.

That might be the party line but I've seen enough to know it can't be true.
Also, I did say "There is no advantage, political or military or financial, to pretending to have gone to space."

I don't know what you mean by 'conspiracy'.

Maybe you didn't notice, but many if not all people lie about all kind of things.

The better question is 'Why do people lie?' and 'Why do some people who know the truth about the shape of the earth lie about it?'

I don't know what you mean by 'conspiracy'.

Consider spending less money on spotting scopes, and more on dictionaries.

The better question is... 'Why do some people who know the truth about the shape of the earth lie about it?'

Yes, that is exactly what's being asked.

Quote from: Tom on June 15, 2015, 01:47:42 PM

I don't know what you mean by 'conspiracy'.

Consider spending less money on spotting scopes, and more on dictionaries.

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The better question is... 'Why do some people who know the truth about the shape of the earth lie about it?'

Yes, that is exactly what's being asked.

Maybe you can help us to solve this problem. Why do you lie and why do you fool other people?

Maybe you can help us to solve this problem. Why do you lie and why do you fool other people?

When I do, it's for some personal gain: which there is none of in this case.

Quote from: Tom on June 15, 2015, 02:04:48 PM

Maybe you can help us to solve this problem. Why do you lie and why do you fool other people?

When I do, it's for some personal gain: which there is none of in this case.

Problem solved!

Quote from: BiJane on June 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PM

Quote from: Tom on June 15, 2015, 02:04:48 PM

Maybe you can help us to solve this problem. Why do you lie and why do you fool other people?

When I do, it's for some personal gain: which there is none of in this case.

Problem solved!

Did you miss the "which there is none of in this case," then?

There are conspiracies, but this isn't one of them. Flat Earth Theory has so many holes that it would bring the Titanic great shame.

Quote from: Tom on June 15, 2015, 02:11:45 PM

Quote from: BiJane on June 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PM

Quote from: Tom on June 15, 2015, 02:04:48 PM

Maybe you can help us to solve this problem. Why do you lie and why do you fool other people?

When I do, it's for some personal gain: which there is none of in this case.

Problem solved!

Did you miss the "which there is none of in this case," then?

No, you are the one who has been fooled this time.

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

I agree, but the word 'conspiracy' is misused.
Making someone believe something which is not true gives you a lot of power. Not many people understand the power of illusions.

No, you are the one who has been fooled this time.

Ok, would you care to share what this reason or personal gain is?

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

A worldwide conspiracy to hide the true shape of the Earth while remaining secret: hard.

Making up the existence a conspiracy as an excuse for your own ignorance and deficiencies: easy.

Any guesses which is vastly more likely?

And how does the Conspiracy^TM fake those sunrises and sunsets each day?

Quote from: hoppy on June 15, 2015, 02:38:30 PM

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

A worldwide conspiracy to hide the true shape of the Earth while remaining secret: hard.

Making up the existence a conspiracy as an excuse for your own ignorance and deficiencies: easy.

Any guesses which is vastly more likely?

And how does the Conspiracy^TM fake those sunrises and sunsets each day?

They just fake the explanation, and you fall for it hook line and sinker. Is there anything NASA tells you that you think is a lie? Or do you believe every single word and picture they give to you?

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 15, 2015, 03:01:50 PM

Quote from: hoppy on June 15, 2015, 02:38:30 PM

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

A worldwide conspiracy to hide the true shape of the Earth while remaining secret: hard.

Making up the existence a conspiracy as an excuse for your own ignorance and deficiencies: easy.

Any guesses which is vastly more likely?

And how does the Conspiracy^TM fake those sunrises and sunsets each day?

They just fake the explanation, and you fall for it hook line and sinker. Is there anything NASA tells you that you think is a lie? Or do you believe every single word and picture they give to you?

Well, the spherical-earth explanation for sunrises and sunsets makes a lot more sense, is much simpler than anything else I've heard, and entirely consistent with celestial motion in general so I'm going with that for the time being; come up with something better and I'm all ears. Let's hear your idea why sunsets occur? Is it different than what we've heard before?

Stick to topic, please. These explanations have been around a lot longer than NASA, or even the US.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 15, 2015, 03:01:50 PM

Quote from: hoppy on June 15, 2015, 02:38:30 PM

The conspiracy is larger in scope than just RE lies. The conspiracy is world wide and wants you to be ignorant. They want you to toe the line for them like you RE fanatics do.

A worldwide conspiracy to hide the true shape of the Earth while remaining secret: hard.

Making up the existence a conspiracy as an excuse for your own ignorance and deficiencies: easy.

Any guesses which is vastly more likely?

And how does the Conspiracy^TM fake those sunrises and sunsets each day?

They just fake the explanation, and you fall for it hook line and sinker. Is there anything NASA tells you that you think is a lie? Or do you believe every single word and picture they give to you?

I'm curious,  do you realise that most space based research is actually done by universities and astronomers,  other organizations and countries and mostly no connection whatever with NASA,  why are you so fixated on NASA,  that's just an American thing,   most of the world is not American,  and have their own space programs,   Russia, Japan, India, China,  ESA etc..   so why fixate on NASA?

As for falling for things hook line and sinker,   I'm speechless that you can't tell you have been sucked into a delusional conspiracy mindset.   Break free from your programming indeed.

For what reason would a conspiracy exist?

This is generally applicable. To assume dishonesty will prevent you getting anywhere in life. To me, it seems like there are two key ingredients. Without both of these, a conspiracy will fail.

• A motive
• Something to hide

The second is self-evident. There is no sea-travel conspiracy because what is there to hide about sea travel?
If the Flat Earth model is true (it's not), then there would be something to hide. We are left with the first point. A conspiracy wouldn't exist for the sake of it. What would the point be in hiding the shape of the world? What would the point be in faking space travel?
Political gains are meaningless, and there would be no motive to faking failures. There is no advantage, political or military or financial, to pretending to have gone to space. There is even less benefit to hiding the shape of the world.

A more reasonable conspiracy would be, for example, to suppose a weapon is developed secretly. There would be a motive to hiding that: avoiding panic. There is nothing comparable for space travel, and for that reason (among many others) we may safely reject the flat Earth.

You forgot that it also has to be possible to perpetuate the conspiracy, and considering that it would take well over 1,000,000 conspirators just to fake the Apollo missions I'd say that the conspiracy flat earthers are proposing is impossible.

A Round Earther that is a time traveller, comes back in time, hangs around a forum he does not believe in and then asks  "Why a conspiracy?"
And you all think this is okay?

A Round Earther that is a time traveller, comes back in time, hangs around a forum he does not believe in and then asks  "Why a conspiracy?"
And you all think this is okay?

Don't see why not,  the Andromedian  spokesman,  wanted details on the flat earth,   I think you might be prejudiced against time travelers,   they have rights too you know.

We don't get many aliens around my way,  at least not the masonic reptilian shape shifters.

Quote from: tappet on June 15, 2015, 11:06:50 PM

A Round Earther that is a time traveller, comes back in time, hangs around a forum he does not believe in and then asks  "Why a conspiracy?"
And you all think this is okay?

Don't see why not,  the Andromedian  spokesman,  wanted details on the flat earth,   I think you might be prejudiced against time travelers,   they have rights too you know.

We don't get many aliens around my way,  at least not the masonic reptilian shape shifters.

Fair call.

A Round Earther that is a time traveller, comes back in time, hangs around a forum he does not believe in and then asks  "Why a conspiracy?"
And you all think this is okay?

My thoughts exactly. He's doing more harm to the global bullshit than these shills are on here and he actually thinks he's aiding the cause.
These people do their best to make people believe that flat Earth theorists or alternative Earth theorists are loop the loop.
They come up with the most silly reasons, time after time, like Mikeman always churning in with, " how can you keep 1000,000 people quiet." 

John Titor should have all the answers or at least all the answers to the major questions after all this time, yet, as Tappet says, he comes to a flat Earth forum trying to spew global nonsense and has nothing better to do with his time travelling knowledge. 

And after having a quick look at the posts by the spokesman for the Andromedians, turns out he is a bloody REer as well.
Welcome to the Flat Earth forums, full of Round Earth kooks.

There are conspiracies, but this isn't one of them. Flat Earth Theory has so many holes that it would bring the Titanic great shame.

I would tend to agree with this. I know that many groups have secrets, and have amassed power they will abuse. Focusing on a flat Earth conspiracy, which has no motive behind it, is no more than negligence.

You forgot that it also has to be possible to perpetuate the conspiracy, and considering that it would take well over 1,000,000 conspirators just to fake the Apollo missions I'd say that the conspiracy flat earthers are proposing is impossible.

I believe that would be possible, with an extreme motive. You would be happy to keep a secret if it was for a good cause: unfortunately, there is no good cause in this case. Even the space travel conspiracy, which is far less than the flat Earth model needs, gives no reason for them to fake something like a failure.

A Round Earther that is a time traveller, comes back in time, hangs around a forum he does not believe in and then asks  "Why a conspiracy?"
And you all think this is okay?

I am here to create ripples. This forum will not reject my claims out of hand, or should not: you are aware that there may be more to the world.
I am asking about a conspiracy because your attention is in the wrong place. You have to think of a cause for people to lie. Look at CERN, they have a machine capable of creating black holes, and yet no one's worried about them. That would be a motive for a conspiracy.
It is fine if you don't believe I'm from the future, but you must think about where the conspiracy really is.

He's doing more harm to the global bullshit than these shills are on here and he actually thinks he's aiding the cause.

I am not interested in arguing for a round Earth. The shape of the world is irrelevant. My concern is for your futures.

John Titor should have all the answers or at least all the answers to the major questions after all this time, yet, as Tappet says, he comes to a flat Earth forum trying to spew global nonsense and has nothing better to do with his time travelling knowledge.

I am doing much, much more. This is where I come to relax. I am tracking down a computer with unique decryption properties, making ripples, and gathering data via an internet not available in my time. About this time is when CERN was gathering power. They may have already begun time travel experiments, I can't know until I have the right computer. I need the information available in order to stop them.
If my theories are correct, the way to bypass the 1%-divergence barrier is to change the cause, without changing the effect. I need to find the one decision that leads CERN down its path of tyranny, preserve the motive (to preserve my time), but make the end result still better. I can't spend all my time on that conundrum, so I relax here. I couldn't care less what you believe about the shape of the world, however: I just want you to pay attention to where the conspiracies really are.

John Titor should have all the answers or at least all the answers to the major questions after all this time

I also find this proclamation interesting. I admit, I can answer many of your questions: I have begun a thread in 'Science and Alternative Science' for that very purpose. All your questions, however? I doubt there will every be someone who can claim that.
You do not possess the sigma total of all knowledge of all knowledge of your time, even with a research tool like the internet. You are educated on basics, and then a certain area of a certain topic in which you gain expertise. My expertise is string theory: but even that is reliant on background knowledge. A lot of the major experiments could not have been done without more advanced technology. I can tell you details, but without access to my books and research notes, I could not, for example, tell you how to build your own time machine with stablisers (and I would not even if I could). The stabilisers are very complicated.
In the same way, if you were thrown into the past, you could not build yourself a car from scratch, with no blueprints, or technology.

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John Titor should have all the answers or at least all the answers to the major questions after all this time

I also find this proclamation interesting. I admit, I can answer many of your questions: I have begun a thread in 'Science and Alternative Science' for that very purpose. All your questions, however? I doubt there will every be someone who can claim that.
You do not possess the sigma total of all knowledge of all knowledge of your time, even with a research tool like the internet. You are educated on basics, and then a certain area of a certain topic in which you gain expertise. My expertise is string theory: but even that is reliant on background knowledge. A lot of the major experiments could not have been done without more advanced technology. I can tell you details, but without access to my books and research notes, I could not, for example, tell you how to build your own time machine with stablisers (and I would not even if I could). The stabilisers are very complicated.
In the same way, if you were thrown into the past, you could not build yourself a car from scratch, with no blueprints, or technology.

Time travel is impossible, but I will play along for the hell of it.

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John Titor should have all the answers or at least all the answers to the major questions after all this time

I also find this proclamation interesting. I admit, I can answer many of your questions: I have begun a thread in 'Science and Alternative Science' for that very purpose. All your questions, however? I doubt there will every be someone who can claim that.
You do not possess the sigma total of all knowledge of all knowledge of your time, even with a research tool like the internet. You are educated on basics, and then a certain area of a certain topic in which you gain expertise. My expertise is string theory: but even that is reliant on background knowledge. A lot of the major experiments could not have been done without more advanced technology. I can tell you details, but without access to my books and research notes, I could not, for example, tell you how to build your own time machine with stablisers (and I would not even if I could). The stabilisers are very complicated.
In the same way, if you were thrown into the past, you could not build yourself a car from scratch, with no blueprints, or technology.

Time doesn't exist. You create your own fictional imaginary reference point.

Time travel is impossible, but I will play along for the hell of it.

Why do you think that?

Time doesn't exist. You create your own fictional imaginary reference point.

We do create reference points, but to do so there must be something to refer to. Time is just another direction.

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Time travel is impossible, but I will play along for the hell of it.

Why do you think that?

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Time doesn't exist. You create your own fictional imaginary reference point.

We do create reference points, but to do so there must be something to refer to. Time is just another direction.

Everything is constantly changing. If you don't create an illusionary reference point, time does not exist. It exist only in your mind.