When Round Earth Theory Breaks Down

How many times do I have to repeat this? Take wall map and surround it completely with ocean. That's the map. I know you roundies are close-minded, but surely you can imagine that?

Yes I use terms like " I believe "when talking about ideas that have no evidence yet. It's called good science.

It's called obfustication,   and  while I'm here,  that reminds me,  what does this  IET map look like again,  could you describe it in more detail,  perhaps a drawing?

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 13, 2015, 11:44:14 AM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 13, 2015, 09:51:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 13, 2015, 04:30:16 AM

IET has a single, coherent map.

It does? Can we see it?



"I don't believe..." "I think..." "I believe..."

How many times do I have to repeat this? Take wall map and surround it completely with ocean. That's the map. I know you roundies are close-minded, but surely you can imagine that?

So basically this:

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9355/8DjY1k.png

The red line represents the travel from Los Angeles to China in your model, which would take much longer then it actually does. Additionally, lands in the northern hemisphere are inflated, making Siberia, Greenland, and Canada look much larger then they actually are.

That's not what I was imagining?   I was thinking of just taking the map off the wall and throwing it in the pacific.

That's not what I was imagining?   I was thinking of just taking the map off the wall and throwing it in the pacific.

Where exactly? You're going to have to be more spacific

Quote from: kman on June 13, 2015, 12:09:15 PM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 13, 2015, 11:44:14 AM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 13, 2015, 09:51:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 13, 2015, 04:30:16 AM

IET has a single, coherent map.

It does? Can we see it?



"I don't believe..." "I think..." "I believe..."

How many times do I have to repeat this? Take wall map and surround it completely with ocean. That's the map. I know you roundies are close-minded, but surely you can imagine that?

So basically this:

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9355/8DjY1k.png

The red line represents the travel from Los Angeles to China in your model, which would take much longer then it actually does. Additionally, lands in the northern hemisphere are inflated, making Siberia, Greenland, and Canada look much larger then they actually are.

That's not what I was imagining?   I was thinking of just taking the map off the wall and throwing it in the pacific.

That's the right idea. Obviously the land near the poles is not really that size, as you've used a projection of the globe, and the pacific is a bit bigger. And the continents aren't really where we think they are.

SO can you answer my questions?

SO can you answer my questions?

Who me?..    ok.

Quote from: Rayzor on June 13, 2015, 12:12:35 PM

That's not what I was imagining?   I was thinking of just taking the map off the wall and throwing it in the pacific.

Where exactly? You're going to have to be more spacific

Hawaii I think would be good,   is Itchy going to front the hotel bills?    Next week is good for me.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on June 13, 2015, 09:51:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 13, 2015, 04:30:16 AM

IET has a single, coherent map.

It does? Can we see it?

"I don't believe..." "I think..." "I believe..."

How many times do I have to repeat this? Take wall map and surround it completely with ocean. That's the map. I know you roundies are close-minded, but surely you can imagine that?

Yes I use terms like " I believe "when talking about ideas that have no evidence yet. It's called good science.

So you're talking about a single, coherent IET map, but there's no evidence for it yet?

What's a "wall map"? Mercator projection? Why choose that? It seems like you want something like the "bipolar flat-earth map" (it's an Azimuthal Equidistant projection of the globe centered on the equator and a convenient meridian instead of the North Pole like the "unipolar flat-earth map" uses), like the one from this post using the Prime Meridian:



Is that what you're thinking of? Note that the Pacific ocean surrounds everything. Remember, though, you don't have any evidence that this, or something like it is right. You said so here:

I use terms like " I believe "when talking about ideas that have no evidence yet.

Who me?..    ok.

No, Itchy lol.

Hawaii I think would be good,   is Itchy going to front the hotel bills?    Next week is good for me.

I was thinking we just cruise on the yacht he contracted for his expedition.

SO can you answer my questions?

I've no idea what your questions are.

The red line represents the route from LA to China. It obviously takes much longer on your map then it does in real life. Please explain

The red line represents the route from LA to China. It obviously takes much longer on your map then it does in real life. Please explain

It takes how long it takes. Nobody is denying that. I really don't see what your point is here.

Quote from: kman on June 13, 2015, 02:22:41 PM

The red line represents the route from LA to China. It obviously takes much longer on your map then it does in real life. Please explain

It takes how long it takes. Nobody is denying that. I really don't see what your point is here.

His point is that it disproves your map.

On your map, it should take longer than it does take.

LA to Beijing takes less time when you go west. However, on your map it looks like it should take more time.
Additionally,Santiago to Capetown takes 10 hours.  Santiago to Sydney takes 14 hours. On your map, Santiago to Sydney should be about twice Santiago to Capetown. Finally, why on your map does Dubai to Seattle makeobscenely large arc upwards towards the north pole if going straight across is much quicker? I know why! Because Dubai to Seattle crosses over the pole because the earth is round and that's the fastest way to get from Dubai to Seattle! Crazy!

Click on the map:

http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/Dubai,+United+Arab+Emirates/to/Seattle,+WA

On your map, it should take longer than it does take.

LA to Beijing takes less time when you go west. However, on your map it looks like it should take more time.
Additionally,Santiago to Capetown takes 10 hours.  Santiago to Sydney takes 14 hours. On your map, Santiago to Sydney should be about twice Santiago to Capetown. Finally, why on your map does Dubai to Seattle makeobscenely large arc upwards towards the north pole if going straight across is much quicker? I know why! Because Dubai to Seattle crosses over the pole because the earth is round and that's the fastest way to get from Dubai to Seattle! Crazy!

Click on the map:

http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/Dubai,+United+Arab+Emirates/to/Seattle,+WA

I think Itchy has just been scratched. 

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

That's going to be great news for the pilots and sailors who need to get from one to the other.

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

So why did you say that for a flat earth map: "just take a standard map and surround it by ocean"?

Now someone has done that, you're saying that it's all wrong.  So we are back to no flat earth map.

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 14, 2015, 01:04:57 AM

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

So why did you say that for a flat earth map: "just take a standard map and surround it by ocean"?

Now someone has done that, you're saying that it's all wrong.  So we are back to no flat earth map.

It's approximately correct. Obviously I don't have the resources to produce a really accurate map. What do you expect me to do?

I still await an answer Itchy...

Returning to an earlier point, how do YOU know there are hidden continents? You are displaying another example of circular reasoning:

There are hidden continents because the earth is infinite. How do i know the earth is infinite? There are hidden continents. How do I know there are hidden continents? The earth is infinite. How come these have never been discovered previously, and how on earth did YOU discover them?

P.S. Excuse the lengthy circular reasoning explanation, but I didn't want a JRowe -Esque "Your circular reasoning doesn't make sense."

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 14, 2015, 03:09:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 14, 2015, 01:04:57 AM

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

So why did you say that for a flat earth map: "just take a standard map and surround it by ocean"?

Now someone has done that, you're saying that it's all wrong.  So we are back to no flat earth map.

It's approximately correct. Obviously I don't have the resources to produce a really accurate map. What do you expect me to do?

Well, not making claims that you can't support would be a good start.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 14, 2015, 03:09:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 14, 2015, 01:04:57 AM

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

So why did you say that for a flat earth map: "just take a standard map and surround it by ocean"?

Now someone has done that, you're saying that it's all wrong.  So we are back to no flat earth map.

It's approximately correct.

No, if the land masses are all in the wrong place, it's fundamentally wrong, not "approximately correct".

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 14, 2015, 03:09:59 AM

Quote from: Itchy_Arris on June 14, 2015, 01:04:57 AM

What you all fail to realise is that the land masses are not necessarily where you think they are.

So why did you say that for a flat earth map: "just take a standard map and surround it by ocean"?

Now someone has done that, you're saying that it's all wrong.  So we are back to no flat earth map.

It's approximately correct. Obviously I don't have the resources to produce a really accurate map. What do you expect me to do?

So why did you say

IET has a single, coherent map. And it works - you don't get magically transported across the world, unlike your globe.

when said map doesn't actually exist?

Are you saying the bipolar flat-earth map shown above is approximately correct, but has the wrong central meridian?