Evolution debate in detail

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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2015, 08:30:26 PM »
So in other words we don't see families crossing in other than the fossil record which has been proven false.
Do you even read what I say? Do you understand what a tree is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_(graph_theory)
And, no, the fossil record isnt "false".

I understand. Trees usually deals with the past to the present like a family tree. However I can prove my family tree through DNA and documentation. However the fossil record you don't have the DNA nor the documents saying "this bone is 65 million years old". I'll provide a link addressing the fossil record.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2015, 08:41:51 PM »
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2015, 12:34:57 PM »
I know this one!
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I'll tackle the first video and watch and comment on the next video in the next post.

First off as for organic material found in dinosaur bones, exactly how long can even encased organic material last? Also how did the dinosaur got buried rapidly? As for polystrate fossils, you can explain how when it comes to sedimentary rock, but what about coal. There was one tree that went through one layer of coal, then through rock, and then another layer of coal. How do you explain that? Also as for chalk layers, there was a fossil whale buried in diatoms. I know chalk and diatoms are different but they are similar enough to say that for the whale it must of been buried rapidly. I'll see if I can find a link and then answer the other video.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2015, 01:00:26 PM »
Here's a fossilized ichthyosaur giving birth.

 http://m.livescience.com/43344-ichthyosaur-fossil-live-birth-found.html

It had to buried rapidly. Also I noticed that the guy didnt exlpain the petrified pickle and other stuff Kent Hovind mentioned. Plus, clams that are fossils are found in the closed position. They also had to be buried rapidly. In fact they found huge clams nere Mt. Everest and they were in the closed position too. Clams as soon as they die they open. So they didnt die and got buried, they got buried and died.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2015, 03:47:05 PM »
Luke, that's preciselly the point he makes in the video. Fossils dont form rapidly, they are formed (in some cases) because they were buried rapidly. They still take millions and millions of years to form. We know fossils form sometimes on rapidly buried animals, no one said that's not the case.

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Also I noticed that the guy didnt exlpain the petrified pickle and other stuff Kent Hovind mentioned
Concretion. I have a "fossilized" shotgun on my shelf. It was buried under the drain channel of a roof. The difference between "petrified" and fossilized is that concretions are just gunk stuck to something, and fosilization requires organic matter forming a "mold", that is then replaced with other minerals cristalizing.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2015, 08:02:04 AM »
Luke, that's preciselly the point he makes in the video. Fossils dont form rapidly, they are formed (in some cases) because they were buried rapidly. They still take millions and millions of years to form. We know fossils form sometimes on rapidly buried animals, no one said that's not the case.
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I don't think it takes millions of years as my link about the whale proves.

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Also I noticed that the guy didnt exlpain the petrified pickle and other stuff Kent Hovind mentioned
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Concretion. I have a "fossilized" shotgun on my shelf. It was buried under the drain channel of a roof. The difference between "petrified" and fossilized is that concretions are just gunk stuck to something, and fosilization requires organic matter forming a "mold", that is then replaced with other minerals cristalizing.

And how you know that's the case with the pickle? I'm not sure if this is documented or not but I heard that they created chicken fossils in just ten years.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2015, 11:34:55 AM »
Luke, that's preciselly the point he makes in the video. Fossils dont form rapidly, they are formed (in some cases) because they were buried rapidly. They still take millions and millions of years to form. We know fossils form sometimes on rapidly buried animals, no one said that's not the case.

I don't think it takes millions of years as my link about the whale proves.
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I don't have data about that whale, but that link doesnt have valid sources either, so we are just discussing meaningless shit here. Maybe when I have more free time I can go and look farther into it. And what you believe makes no difference with respect to what's valid and reviewed science or not.

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Concretion. I have a "fossilized" shotgun on my shelf. It was buried under the drain channel of a roof. The difference between "petrified" and fossilized is that concretions are just gunk stuck to something, and fosilization requires organic matter forming a "mold", that is then replaced with other minerals cristalizing.

And how you know that's the case with the pickle? I'm not sure if this is documented or not but I heard that they created chicken fossils in just ten years.

Because cristalization of minerals takes millions of years, not ten. And you have to get the deposit buried, then a different source of mineral must enter the fossil mold if it decomposed or just the empty spaces on it can be filled, deposit inside, and then crystalize. Even relativelly fast crystalizing compounds take millions of years to form solid rock. 
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2015, 11:37:17 AM »
Wait, how do we know it takes millions of years to fossilized something?
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2015, 11:39:12 AM »
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2015, 11:51:04 AM »
Here's a more detailed link about the whale fossil.

http://static-www.icr.org/i/pdf/technical/The-Whale-Fossil-in-Diatomite-Lompoc-California.pdf

I just had to google "whale fossil diatomite debunked". First result, and it is accuratelly sourced. Please tell me if any sourcing is wrong: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html

Wait, how do we know it takes millions of years to fossilized something?
As I said, because that's the time the mineral solution takes to crystalize into rock and minerals, and because of radiometric dating, and because of gas bubble dating and because of stratigraphical dating and because of magnetical signature dating and because of index fossil dating and because of thermoluminiscense dating and because of dendrochronology dating and because of aminoacid dating. And that's just for a FOSSIL.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2015, 12:05:03 PM »
Here's a more detailed link about the whale fossil.

http://static-www.icr.org/i/pdf/technical/The-Whale-Fossil-in-Diatomite-Lompoc-California.pdf

I just had to google "whale fossil diatomite debunked". First result, and it is accuratelly sourced. Please tell me if any sourcing is wrong: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html

Wait, how do we know it takes millions of years to fossilized something?
As I said, because that's the time the mineral solution takes to crystalize into rock and minerals, and because of radiometric dating, and because of gas bubble dating and because of stratigraphical dating and because of magnetical signature dating and because of index fossil dating and because of thermoluminiscense dating and because of dendrochronology dating and because of aminoacid dating. And that's just for a FOSSIL.

As for the whale, I knew the whale was in line with the layers and I thought the link I gave will explain it (or did you even looked?) it's the height of the whale that's the issue. How can a whale sit there for thousands of years to let the sediment collect around it? Even with the study that your link gave of a whale slowly being covered by sediments that's a small scale compared to what happened to the fossil. So just because it happened on a small scale doesn't mean it applies to large scale.

As for radiocarbon dating, that's been proven to be flawed as I'll give a link in the next post.


BTW, so you date fossils by stratigraghical dating and index fossil dating. So you date the fossils by the rocks and the rocks by the fossils?

As for the rest, they can be expedited under the right conditions.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2016, 07:57:27 PM »
It's pretty simple really when you do not ignore observational data.

Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Only when Asian and African mate is a new infraspecific taxa entered into the record (Afro-Asian).

Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. Only when Husky and Mastiff mate is a new infraspecific taxa entered into the record (Chinook).

The Asian remains Asian, the African remains African. Neither evolved into the Afro-Asian and no missing links are missing.

The Husky remains Husky, the Mastiff remains Mastiff. Neither evolved into the Chinook and no missing links are missing.

Just as T-Rex remained T-Rex and Triceratops remained Triceratops - as each and every one of them did from the oldest fossil found to the youngest one found.

Fossils have simply been misconstrued as belonging to separate species, when as per empirical observations they are simply different infraspecific taxa of the same species.

These:


Are in reality no different than these:


Just different infraspecific taxa of the species to which they belong.

If evolutionists had never seen a dog before and found fossils of the Husky and Mastiff, and then later in the strata found fossils of the Chinook, they would insist the Husky or the Mastiff evolved into the Chinook. And would be wrong of course.

The fossil record is simply the result of ignoring empirical observations of how life actually propagates. Ignoring the variation they see right before their eyes while postulating something not once observed.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2016, 08:24:29 PM »
Here's a link.

http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/

What they don't like to mention is that radiocarbon dating was based upon Enrico Fermi's theory of beta decay. His theory was found to violate parity and was later revised, but radiocarbon dating never was.

Also they don't like to mention that it varies with solar output and radioactive decay is not even constant from one solar flare to the next.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html
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« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2016, 10:09:12 AM »
Here's a link.

http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/

What they don't like to mention is that radiocarbon dating was based upon Enrico Fermi's theory of beta decay. His theory was found to violate parity and was later revised, but radiocarbon dating never was.

Also they don't like to mention that it varies with solar output and radioactive decay is not even constant from one solar flare to the next.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html

Thanks.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2016, 11:18:36 AM »
Here's a link.

http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/

What they don't like to mention is that radiocarbon dating was based upon Enrico Fermi's theory of beta decay. His theory was found to violate parity and was later revised, but radiocarbon dating never was.

Also they don't like to mention that it varies with solar output and radioactive decay is not even constant from one solar flare to the next.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html

Can you provide a link for your first paragraph?
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #78 on: February 06, 2016, 07:02:46 PM »
Here's a link.

http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/

What they don't like to mention is that radiocarbon dating was based upon Enrico Fermi's theory of beta decay. His theory was found to violate parity and was later revised, but radiocarbon dating never was.

Well it was updated in that radiocarbon dating used to be done by using beta radiation detectors, but is now done with acclerator mass spectrometry.

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Also they don't like to mention that it varies with solar output and radioactive decay is not even constant from one solar flare to the next.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html

An interesting finding.  I would have a few questions, like, how significant is this effect on radiocarbon dating and does it even affect Carbon-14.  Also, has instrument error been ruled out because there are results like this as well.
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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2016, 11:07:00 PM »
Rama Set, any new movies or TV shows?  Haven't heard from you in a while. 

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Re: Evolution debate in detail
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2016, 09:30:59 PM »
Rama Set, any new movies or TV shows?  Haven't heard from you in a while.

I made a short film in the fall which is being edited.  I played a royal messenger on "Reign" (w0w) and there is this:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/marketing/tylenols-modern-family-tweaks-advertisings-norm-in-new-spot/article27385205/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

...thats me as the dad.
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« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2016, 09:55:42 PM »
Rama Set, any new movies or TV shows?  Haven't heard from you in a while.

I made a short film in the fall which is being edited.  I played a royal messenger on "Reign" (w0w) and there is this:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/marketing/tylenols-modern-family-tweaks-advertisings-norm-in-new-spot/article27385205/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

...thats me as the dad.

You only get those roles because the girly's think you're cute.  You should tell them the Earth is flat next interview.