NASA owes us an apology for Werner Von Braun

Perhaps one can look at Von Braun's work with NASA as his chance to redeem himself for any war crimes he may or may not have committed.

Quote from: markjo on June 06, 2015, 05:35:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 06, 2015, 05:03:11 PM

Right, up until Sputnik the US didn't have the technology. Then immediately after Sputnik, that technology they had been trying to invent for 17 years was instantly invented.

  What are you talking about?  They had been working on the technology for years and they finally got it to work just after Sputnik.  They don't call it rocket science because it's easy.

But according to you rocket science is so easy, and insurmountable technical challenges can be overcome, apparently, that the managers at NASA just had to say "work harder!" and 17 years of constant failures by top scientists to create a working orbital rocket turned into an overnight success. If technologies can simply be invented like that, why didn't they just say that before?

The cold war mentality is difficult to comprehend looking back,  the planet was on the brink of global nuclear war,  people were building fall out shelters in their back yards,  the idea that the Russians had this "thing" called Sputnick that orbited overhead was terrifying everybody.   No one knew exactly what it was or what it did.  But one thing was for sure the Americans weren't going to be sitting back and allowing the Russians to dominate space.   If the devil himself had said he could build a rocket to beat the Russians, the Americans would have said, where do I sign.  The fact that it was a Nazi murderer,  rather than the devil  got glossed over.

Can I just ask then if you think the v2 was a fully functioning rocket?

The V2 could well have been a rocket of some description and also functioning to a degree. I don't believe it done anything more than jump into the sea after a very short take off.
Basically, I suspect that it was a propaganda piece ,maybe.

To think those things could fly from one country to another and land on or close to a target after leaving the lower atmosphere in those times, is pathetic in the extreme.
The thing is a fat dart with no guidance ability. Our history is littered with a lot of bullshit, in my opinion.

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 06, 2015, 09:04:04 AM

Can I just ask then if you think the v2 was a fully functioning rocket?

The V2 could well have been a rocket of some description and also functioning to a degree. I don't believe it done anything more than jump into the sea after a very short take off.
Basically, I suspect that it was a propaganda piece ,maybe.

To think those things could fly from one country to another and land on or close to a target after leaving the lower atmosphere in those times, is pathetic in the extreme.
The thing is a fat dart with no guidance ability. Our history is littered with a lot of bullshit, in my opinion.

What's pathetic to the extreme is you saying that the thousands of people that died as a result of these weapons did not exist and that the poor family's of the victims where part of a hoax. Typical behaviour of a keyboard troll. May you should go and meet some of the victims family's and tell l them you think they are nothing more than spokespersons for a propaganda piece.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 06, 2015, 11:44:41 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 06, 2015, 09:04:04 AM

Can I just ask then if you think the v2 was a fully functioning rocket?

The V2 could well have been a rocket of some description and also functioning to a degree. I don't believe it done anything more than jump into the sea after a very short take off.
Basically, I suspect that it was a propaganda piece ,maybe.

To think those things could fly from one country to another and land on or close to a target after leaving the lower atmosphere in those times, is pathetic in the extreme.
The thing is a fat dart with no guidance ability. Our history is littered with a lot of bullshit, in my opinion.

What's pathetic to the extreme is you saying that the thousands of people that died as a result of these weapons did not exist and that the poor family's of the victims where part of a hoax. Typical behaviour of a keyboard troll. May you should go and meet some of the victims family's and tell l them you think they are nothing more than spokespersons for a propaganda piece.

Using emotion as an argument I see. You have heard of bombs dropped by planes, right?
Or are you telling me that everyone simply knew about  V2.
You people make me laugh as if you are physical world experts on it all.

Are you British out of interest?

Are you British out of interest?

Yes. I don't see what difference it makes to my thoughts. I question many things that has nothing to do with Britain.

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 02:32:11 AM

Are you British out of interest?

Yes. I don't see what difference it makes to my thoughts. I question many things that has nothing to do with Britain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750353/Interactive-map-reveals-hundreds-sites-Hitler-s-V2-rockets-killed-thousands-British-civilians-final-months-WW2.html

You could go and find some of the sites,  ask the locals in the area  and verify the facts for yourself.    Over 1500 V2's hit England.   

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 02:40:19 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 02:32:11 AM

Are you British out of interest?

Yes. I don't see what difference it makes to my thoughts. I question many things that has nothing to do with Britain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750353/Interactive-map-reveals-hundreds-sites-Hitler-s-V2-rockets-killed-thousands-British-civilians-final-months-WW2.html

You could go and find some of the sites,  ask the locals in the area  and verify the facts for yourself.    Over 1500 V2's hit England.

adsactly what I was about to say.

The cold war mentality is difficult to comprehend looking back,  the planet was on the brink of global nuclear war,  people were building fall out shelters in their back yards,  the idea that the Russians had this "thing" called Sputnick that orbited overhead was terrifying everybody.   No one knew exactly what it was or what it did.  But one thing was for sure the Americans weren't going to be sitting back and allowing the Russians to dominate space.   If the devil himself had said he could build a rocket to beat the Russians, the Americans would have said, where do I sign.  The fact that it was a Nazi murderer,  rather than the devil  got glossed over.

Rayzor, you hit the nail right on the head. That was also the reason JFK gave the Man on the Moon speech in '61. America was not going to let The USSR get there first.

Off topic, anybody remember "Duck and Cover"? I was a kid then, but it was pretty scary stuff.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 02:40:19 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 02:32:11 AM

Are you British out of interest?

Yes. I don't see what difference it makes to my thoughts. I question many things that has nothing to do with Britain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750353/Interactive-map-reveals-hundreds-sites-Hitler-s-V2-rockets-killed-thousands-British-civilians-final-months-WW2.html

You could go and find some of the sites,  ask the locals in the area  and verify the facts for yourself.    Over 1500 V2's hit England.

Do you think the sites will have intact V2 rockets?
How would anyone know what was what?

The places were evacuated in the main, so anything dropped from the sky could have been said to be a v2 or whatever  and people simply told about them.
Let's face it, it's easy as piss  in this day and age to fool the masses. Imagine how easy it was in the earlier times when people simply relied on a newspaper and a radio, plus gossip.

Remember war of the worlds with invading martians?

Using emotion as an argument I see. You have heard of bombs dropped by planes, right?
Or are you telling me that everyone simply knew about  V2.

Did you know that England had an early warning RADAR system that warned then when German bombers were headed their way?  Did you know that you can hear bombers as they're dropping their bombs on you?  Well, the V2s pretty much came out of nowhere with no warning.  That's one way that they could tell the difference.  Not to mention the wreckage of the V2 itself.

There is no logic in your statements.

Welcome to Tom's world.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 02:27:54 AM

Using emotion as an argument I see. You have heard of bombs dropped by planes, right?
Or are you telling me that everyone simply knew about  V2.

Did you know that England had an early warning RADAR system that warned then when German bombers were headed their way?  Did you know that you can hear bombers as they're dropping their bombs on you?  Well, the V2s pretty much came out of nowhere with no warning.  That's one way that they could tell the difference.  Not to mention the wreckage of the V2 itself.

Did you know that santa doesn't make a noise when he and his hoof laden reindeers, plus sleigh full of presents clatter people's roof's. Just come out of nowhere and leave presents intact. A bit like this so called silent v2 effigy that lands with a dent and doesn't even disturb the ground. 

Their was lots of people in the impact areas hence all the deaths. Go ask survivors or relatives of the survivors and ask them their experiances

Their was lots of people in the impact areas hence all the deaths. Go ask survivors or relatives of the survivors and ask them their experiances

Stop using emotion as fact.

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:38:45 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

It means that MAYBE we haven't been told the truth. It means that MAYBE we were simply bombed from aircraft and MAYBE people were spun a yarn.

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:27:47 AM

Their was lots of people in the impact areas hence all the deaths. Go ask survivors or relatives of the survivors and ask them their experiances

Stop using emotion as fact.

Stop bullshitting about stuff you have no idea about.

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:38:45 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

It means that MAYBE we haven't been told the truth. It means that MAYBE we were simply bombed from aircraft and MAYBE people were spun a yarn.

What about MAYBE we have been told the truth and MAYBE you just like being contrarian?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:33:40 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:27:47 AM

Their was lots of people in the impact areas hence all the deaths. Go ask survivors or relatives of the survivors and ask them their experiances

Stop using emotion as fact.

Stop bullshitting about stuff you have no idea about.

Still having period mood swings I see. Get a coil fitted, they have a hormone coating on them.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:01:00 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:38:45 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

It means that MAYBE we haven't been told the truth. It means that MAYBE we were simply bombed from aircraft and MAYBE people were spun a yarn.

What about MAYBE we have been told the truth and MAYBE you just like being contrarian?

Maybe. The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size, so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

Quote from: markjo on June 07, 2015, 08:05:13 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:01:00 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:38:45 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

It means that MAYBE we haven't been told the truth. It means that MAYBE we were simply bombed from aircraft and MAYBE people were spun a yarn.

What about MAYBE we have been told the truth and MAYBE you just like being contrarian?

Maybe. The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size, so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

Do you ever stop and listen to yourself?   What does your family and friends think about your paranoid delusions,  or do you hide that side of your personality from them?
Do you even have family and friends, or has your personality disorder driven them away?

The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size...

That's because the photo showed the wreckage of a V2 rocket engine after it exploded in England.

...so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

What about the several hundred intact V2s and dozens of German rocket scientists and engineers that were recovered by the US and Soviets at the end of the war?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:13:01 AM

Quote from: markjo on June 07, 2015, 08:05:13 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:01:00 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 07:38:45 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on June 07, 2015, 07:37:28 AM

I'm using people's personal experiances and observations. What are you using?

I'm using MAYBE.

What does that even mean?

It means that MAYBE we haven't been told the truth. It means that MAYBE we were simply bombed from aircraft and MAYBE people were spun a yarn.

What about MAYBE we have been told the truth and MAYBE you just like being contrarian?

Maybe. The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size, so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

Do you ever stop and listen to yourself?   What does your family and friends think about your paranoid delusions,  or do you hide that side of your personality from them?
Do you even have family and friends, or has your personality disorder driven them away?

Lots of questions. Stop fretting and sweating, there's no need.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:13:01 AM

The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size...

That's because the photo showed the wreckage of a V2 rocket engine after it exploded in England.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:13:01 AM

...so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

What about the several hundred intact V2s and dozens of German rocket scientists and engineers that were recovered by the US and Soviets at the end of the war?

Wreckage after it exploded. Really? 

Show me these 100's of intact v2's.

Quote from: Rayzor on June 07, 2015, 08:29:56 AM

Do you ever stop and listen to yourself?   What does your family and friends think about your paranoid delusions,  or do you hide that side of your personality from them?
Do you even have family and friends, or has your personality disorder driven them away?

Lots of questions. Stop fretting and sweating, there's no need.

So,  I get it,  no family and no friends,   just sitting at home in front of the computer day after dismal day.  Don't you get lonely,  is this forum the only human contact you have?

Quote from: markjo on June 07, 2015, 08:43:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:13:01 AM

The photo you showed does not resemble a launching v2 size...

That's because the photo showed the wreckage of a V2 rocket engine after it exploded in England.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2015, 08:13:01 AM

...so it's things like this, plus fuel and guidance that make maybe's, possibilities and probabilities, then maybe a fact; in time.

What about the several hundred intact V2s and dozens of German rocket scientists and engineers that were recovered by the US and Soviets at the end of the war?

Wreckage after it exploded. Really? 

Yes, really.  You do understand that bombs don't completely vaporize when they explode, don't you?

Show me these 100's of intact v2's.

Sure, let me fire up my time machine.