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Did you do a long distance experiment to see if an object disappeared?

No, I did not
7 (58.3%)
Yes, I did - the distance was less than 10 miles - the object disappeared
1 (8.3%)
Yes, I did - the distance was less than 10 miles - the object did not disappear
0 (0%)
Yes, I did - the distance was more than 10 miles - the object disappeared
3 (25%)
Yes, I did - the distance was more than 10 miles - the object did not disappear
1 (8.3%)

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Voting closed: June 03, 2015, 08:39:18 AM

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Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL

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Tom

Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« on: May 20, 2015, 08:39:18 AM »

Did you do a long distance experiment to see if an object disappeared?

Please explain what you did, where and what the object was you spotted.

Did you lie down or stand?

What kind of (tele)scope did you use and what was the magnification?

If a (large) part of the object disappeared please choose option 2 or 4.

Did the result convince you and now you know the shape of the earth?

Thank you for participating!
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2015, 10:18:36 PM »
I have done many experiments which proved the Earth to be round, it's just that none of them involved long distance spotting.  However, I have been to the ocean and not seen other continents even though that should be the case on a flat Earth as the first link in my forum signature explains.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 11:19:25 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 20, 2015, 10:18:36 PM
I have done many experiments which proved the Earth to be round, it's just that none of them involved long distance spotting.  However, I have been to the ocean and not seen other continents even though that should be the case on a flat Earth as the first link in my forum signature explains.
May I ask what you've done?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 01:57:21 AM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 20, 2015, 10:18:36 PM
I have done many experiments which proved the Earth to be round, it's just that none of them involved long distance spotting.  However, I have been to the ocean and not seen other continents even though that should be the case on a flat Earth as the first link in my forum signature explains.

Long distance spotting is the first experiment you would do. It's simple.

What did you do instead?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2015, 02:06:36 AM »
Quote from: Tom on May 20, 2015, 08:39:18 AM

Did you do a long distance experiment to see if an object disappeared?

Please explain what you did, where and what the object was you spotted.

Did you lie down or stand?

What kind of (tele)scope did you use and what was the magnification?

If a (large) part of the object disappeared please choose option 2 or 4.

Did the result convince you and now you know the shape of the earth?

Thank you for participating!
Here you go Tom.
Low Isles Lighthouse, photo taken from Port Douglas.
Distance 10 miles. Standing on beach camera on tripod !.2 metres above sea level.
Lighthouse is floating above water and you can see the reflection of the lighthouse in the water.
Pretty impressive considering there should be a hump in the way of the reflection.
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Tom

Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 02:33:48 AM »
Thank you Tappet. It's difficult to see, but promising. Did you do more experiments?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 02:44:58 AM »
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 02:33:48 AM
Thank you Tappet. It's difficult to see, but promising. Did you do more experiments?
Taken from exact same position, but very different weather conditions on consecutive days. Notice no shrubbery in front of lighthouse this time. You need to take hundreds of photos of the horizon on different days in all sorts of conditions to see reality.
One photo of anything is bullshit.
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Tom

Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2015, 03:04:07 AM »
Quote from: tappet on May 21, 2015, 02:44:58 AM
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 02:33:48 AM
Thank you Tappet. It's difficult to see, but promising. Did you do more experiments?
Taken from exact same position, but very different weather conditions on consecutive days. Notice no shrubbery in front of lighthouse this time. You need to take hundreds of photos of the horizon on different days in all sorts of conditions to see reality.
One photo of anything is bullshit.


I agree. Thanks for showing the picture.

So, after all your experiments what is your conclusion (as of now)?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2015, 03:16:13 AM »
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 03:04:07 AM
Quote from: tappet on May 21, 2015, 02:44:58 AM
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 02:33:48 AM
Thank you Tappet. It's difficult to see, but promising. Did you do more experiments?
Taken from exact same position, but very different weather conditions on consecutive days. Notice no shrubbery in front of lighthouse this time. You need to take hundreds of photos of the horizon on different days in all sorts of conditions to see reality.
One photo of anything is bullshit.


I agree. Thanks for showing the picture.

So, after all your experiments what is your conclusion (as of now)?
There are lots of illusions.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 03:40:11 AM »
Quote from: tappet on May 21, 2015, 02:44:58 AM
Taken from exact same position, but very different weather conditions on consecutive days. Notice no shrubbery in front of lighthouse this time. You need to take hundreds of photos of the horizon on different days in all sorts of conditions to see reality.
One photo of anything is bullshit.

Only one picture is needed if you know how to establish a sight line.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 04:02:08 AM »
Quote from: tappet on May 21, 2015, 03:16:13 AM
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 03:04:07 AM
Quote from: tappet on May 21, 2015, 02:44:58 AM
Quote from: Tom on May 21, 2015, 02:33:48 AM
Thank you Tappet. It's difficult to see, but promising. Did you do more experiments?
Taken from exact same position, but very different weather conditions on consecutive days. Notice no shrubbery in front of lighthouse this time. You need to take hundreds of photos of the horizon on different days in all sorts of conditions to see reality.
One photo of anything is bullshit.


I agree. Thanks for showing the picture.

So, after all your experiments what is your conclusion (as of now)?
There are lots of illusions.

There are. We learned a lot of bs in our life. There are no thoughts I can call my own.
It's best to reject everything, but what's then left to think about? Only the practical things in life.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2015, 07:16:22 PM »
9 miles to bridge, 12 to hillside, left image taken from less than 1 foot, right taken from around 18 feet.  Water and air temperature were prime condition for refraction (superior mirage), which is evident in the squashed appearance of buildings along shoreline, landslide, and bridge tower base, even as the bridge and hill have 'sunk' below the horizon as compared to the higher elevation picture.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2015, 04:45:58 AM »
Quote from: 29silhouette on May 21, 2015, 07:16:22 PM
9 miles to bridge, 12 to hillside, left image taken from less than 1 foot, right taken from around 18 feet.  Water and air temperature were prime condition for refraction (superior mirage), which is evident in the squashed appearance of buildings along shoreline, landslide, and bridge tower base, even as the bridge and hill have 'sunk' below the horizon as compared to the higher elevation picture.


The bottom of the forest (between the water and the land) look alike to me. Besides, this should be on the same level.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2015, 06:28:13 AM »
It's flat,notice the two photos were shots from different altitudes
the photo were you see less is the photo which shot at lower altitude.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2015, 06:30:53 AM »
Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 06:28:13 AM
It's flat,notice the two photos were shots from different altitudes
the photo were you see less is the photo which shot at lower altitude.
by the way you should see the curvature from tall height if you claim there is effect of sinking.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2015, 06:32:56 AM »
And the second picture there is more zoom.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2015, 08:00:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom on May 22, 2015, 04:45:58 AM
The bottom of the forest (between the water and the land) look alike to me. Besides, this should be on the same level.
And here they are in another version I put together a while ago with the horizon at the same level.  Again, (as if it wasn't obvious in the other one I posted) the trees and bridge have 'sunk' below the curvature in the low elevation picture (right side image).



Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
And the second picture there is more zoom.
Nope.  Both were taken with the camera's 3x optical zoom and the spotting scope set at 15x.  Getting a perfect picture by holding a camera up to a spotting scope isn't easily done and some slight distortion toward the edges will occur which is more obvious since I didn't have the camera aligned exactly the same as the lower shot, but I also took pictures with the camera itself (yes the difference is still detectable), and the scope at 30x and 60x, combined with simply looking through the scope, and the same thing was seen every time; 

Everything sunk when my observation elevation was lowered.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2015, 09:35:05 AM »
Here's another experiment someone on this site did.

Link to thread:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=50707.0#.VV9ZPVLwpTs

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Ship 2, 8x mag. 1m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2015, 09:59:46 AM »
Quote from: 29silhouette on May 22, 2015, 09:35:05 AM
Here's another experiment someone on this site did.

Link to thread:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=50707.0#.VV9ZPVLwpTs

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Ship 2, 8x mag. 1m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr
Proof for flat earth and proof that photo of sinking doesn't display a curve.
why is that a proof ? because you take the photo from two different heights and when you were higher you couldn't see the curvature that hiding the ship in the first photo = flat earth.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2015, 10:43:11 AM »
Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 09:59:46 AM

Proof for flat earth and proof that photo of sinking doesn't display a curve.
why is that a proof ? because you take the photo from two different heights and when you were higher you couldn't see the curvature that hiding the ship in the first photo = flat earth.
Can you provide a diagram showing how that would work?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2015, 10:54:40 AM »
Quote from: 29silhouette on May 22, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 09:59:46 AM

Proof for flat earth and proof that photo of sinking doesn't display a curve.
why is that a proof ? because you take the photo from two different heights and when you were higher you couldn't see the curvature that hiding the ship in the first photo = flat earth.
Can you provide a diagram showing how that would work?
Sorry i have no such diagram and i have no idea where to find some or how to create one i just talk about common sense.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2015, 11:09:17 AM »
Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: 29silhouette on May 22, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: modestman on May 22, 2015, 09:59:46 AM

Proof for flat earth and proof that photo of sinking doesn't display a curve.
why is that a proof ? because you take the photo from two different heights and when you were higher you couldn't see the curvature that hiding the ship in the first photo = flat earth.
Can you provide a diagram showing how that would work?
Sorry i have no such diagram and i have no idea where to find some or how to create one i just talk about common sense.
If you're on a PC, go to the 'start' menu, all programs, accessories, paint, create new (300x500 should do) use the line tools, save as uploadable file, upload to photobucket or something, insert link.

We all look forward to your proof that the curvature would not obscure distant objects, or objects would 'sink', as one lowers their observation elevation.

Until then, common sense, plus readily available diagrams, all say otherwise.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2015, 11:16:48 AM »
I dont have to waste my time you have just to watch the photos you presented that's enough
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2015, 01:28:08 PM »
The horizon line is an illusion that begins at your feet. It comes up at angle until it intercepts your direct line of sight. Anything beyond this point is cut off/ will sink.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2015, 01:46:09 PM »
What?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2015, 12:44:28 AM »
Quote from: tappet on May 22, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
The horizon line is an illusion that begins at your feet. It comes up at angle until it intercepts your direct line of sight. Anything beyond this point is cut off/ will sink.


Then why doesn't it happen over shorter distances?  Could you give examples of this effect happening elsewhere?
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2015, 01:20:26 AM »
It does, go to the beach and lay down at the waters edge and look at something close. Then stand up and see what happens.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2015, 09:22:52 AM »
Quote from: tappet on May 24, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
It does, go to the beach and lay down at the waters edge and look at something close. Then stand up and see what happens.

Yeah, that's because if the curvature of the Earth.  The horizon becomes closer as you get lower because that's how it works on a sphere.  If the Earth were flat then there should be no limit to how far we can see.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2015, 03:11:14 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 24, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
Quote from: tappet on May 24, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
It does, go to the beach and lay down at the waters edge and look at something close. Then stand up and see what happens.

Yeah, that's because if the curvature of the Earth.  The horizon becomes closer as you get lower because that's how it works on a sphere.  If the Earth were flat then there should be no limit to how far we can see.
Oh yeah, the sphere/curvature thing, did that one for 50 years. It don't work when you open your eyes and have a real look.
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Re: Long distance experiment with a spotting scope or telescope - POLL
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2015, 03:13:45 PM »
Quote from: tappet on May 24, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 24, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
Quote from: tappet on May 24, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
It does, go to the beach and lay down at the waters edge and look at something close. Then stand up and see what happens.

Yeah, that's because if the curvature of the Earth.  The horizon becomes closer as you get lower because that's how it works on a sphere.  If the Earth were flat then there should be no limit to how far we can see.
Oh yeah, the sphere/curvature thing, did that one for 50 years. It don't work when you open your eyes and have a real look.

What do you mean?
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