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do not know what to believe.  What i do know is that when you had that conspiracy poll you enjoyed messing with me in a sadistic manner where you showed all of the same kinds of 'failures' to understand that we see in flat earthers.

Your answers were aggressive and evasive,  I  just gave back what you dished out.   I apologize.

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:05:48 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:04:20 AM

i have been to flight from east asia to united states and i didn't see the curvature moreover i didn't felt like there is curvature
and i am sure the pilot who drive the plane won't tell you the plane behave like there is a curvature please prove me wrong why haven't i felt the curvature while i was flying ?

and gravity won't explain why the plane wasn't maneuver according to curvature.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

Tell me could you supply me with evidence that the plane fly according to curvature ?

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:03:02 AM

do not know what to believe.  What i do know is that when you had that conspiracy poll you enjoyed messing with me in a sadistic manner where you showed all of the same kinds of 'failures' to understand that we see in flat earthers.

Your answers were aggressive and evasive,  I  just gave back what you dished out.   I apologize.

I did not evade anything.  I made it clear what i was referring to and tried again to get you to understand what i was saying, but you just played with me and obviously enjoyed baiting me

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:15:23 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:05:48 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:04:20 AM

i have been to flight from east asia to united states and i didn't see the curvature moreover i didn't felt like there is curvature
and i am sure the pilot who drive the plane won't tell you the plane behave like there is a curvature please prove me wrong why haven't i felt the curvature while i was flying ?

and gravity won't explain why the plane wasn't maneuver according to curvature.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

Tell me could you supply me with evidence that the plane fly according to curvature ?

One thing at a time otherwise you are derailing.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

Two more questions:
1)if i fly against the rotation shouldn't i feel it ?
2)why we don't feel the rotation ? when i drive a train i feel the train exhaust while it move and see the outside don't move
why i don't feel the earth move while it exhaust moving tied to the sun.
the sun tying the earth and the earth is moving but most indication shows that the sun moves there is no one indication that the earth moves.

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:17:12 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:15:23 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:05:48 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:04:20 AM

i have been to flight from east asia to united states and i didn't see the curvature moreover i didn't felt like there is curvature
and i am sure the pilot who drive the plane won't tell you the plane behave like there is a curvature please prove me wrong why haven't i felt the curvature while i was flying ?

and gravity won't explain why the plane wasn't maneuver according to curvature.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

Tell me could you supply me with evidence that the plane fly according to curvature ?

One thing at a time otherwise you are derailing.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

because the plane maneuver up and down according to the curvature otherwise it will fly to space

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:20:07 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:17:12 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:15:23 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:05:48 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:04:20 AM

i have been to flight from east asia to united states and i didn't see the curvature moreover i didn't felt like there is curvature
and i am sure the pilot who drive the plane won't tell you the plane behave like there is a curvature please prove me wrong why haven't i felt the curvature while i was flying ?

and gravity won't explain why the plane wasn't maneuver according to curvature.

I am not asking you to consider the plane flight.   

If you are at home, how good are you at feeling rotation?

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

Tell me could you supply me with evidence that the plane fly according to curvature ?

One thing at a time otherwise you are derailing.

If you are being rotated how would you know it was happening?

because the plane maneuver up and down according to the curvature otherwise it will fly to space

The question is about how good you are at feeling rotation

If you are at home how would you know if you are rotating?

if the earth was rotating there would must be indication this is basic physics.
for example i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun.

if the earth was rotating there would must be indication this is basic physics.
for example i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun.

basic physics begins with basic language

I have no idea what you are talking about here:

" i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun."

??

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:37:17 AM

if the earth was rotating there would must be indication this is basic physics.
for example i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun.

basic physics begins with basic language

I have no idea what you are talking about here:

" i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun."

??

the earth is connected to the sun right ? there is a power which connect the earth to the sun therefore you must feel the earth move around the sun.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:42:16 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:37:17 AM

if the earth was rotating there would must be indication this is basic physics.
for example i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun.

basic physics begins with basic language

I have no idea what you are talking about here:

" i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun."

??

the earth is connected to the sun right ? there is a power which connect the earth to the sun therefore you must feel the earth move around the sun.

I have no idea what you are talking about

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:44:43 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 20, 2015, 05:42:16 AM

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:37:17 AM

if the earth was rotating there would must be indication this is basic physics.
for example i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun.

basic physics begins with basic language

I have no idea what you are talking about here:

" i would feel the earth exhausted under the affect of the sun because the earth is attached to the sun."

??

the earth is connected to the sun right ? there is a power which connect the earth to the sun therefore you must feel the earth move around the sun.

I have no idea what you are talking about

what keep the earth going around the sun ? this is the thing you should feel.

You don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwww ohhhh i am sorry until you come up with new magical force like gravity.

You don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwww ohhhh i am sorry until you come up with new magical force like gravity.

So indeed the whole thing was just another one of the perverts games to waste my time.

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:56:48 AM

You don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwww ohhhh i am sorry until you come up with new magical force like gravity.

So indeed the whole thing was just another one of the perverts games to waste my time.

Very likely,  in any case I've noticed his grasp of english spelling and grammar varies a fair bit,  sometimes it's almost readable, he might be a multiple troll.   Either that or a shill trying to discredit flat earthers.

Quote from: modestman on May 20, 2015, 05:56:48 AM

You don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwww ohhhh i am sorry until you come up with new magical force like gravity.

So indeed the whole thing was just another one of the perverts games to waste my time.

Just ignore him.  They only want attention.

I'll answer a couple of his questions.  BTW they were not in any way related to the OP, but hey I'll give it a shot.
He asked about feeling the rotation of the Earth and the orbital movement of the Earth around the sun.
First, understand how small you are in relation to the Earth.  The force of gravity is very much greater than the force you would feel due to the rotation.  This is called centrifugal force, I gave a couple of posts about this complete with mathematical proofs.   Gravity also answers the second part of you question, we are on the Earth it is moving we are moving with it.  It formed while moving so it isn't like you are in a car and you feel the acceleration, more like you are in a car that is traveling at a constant speed.  Gravity from the sun pulls the Earth towards it, which makes the Earth curve around the sun.  This orbit, while you would expect to feel the centrifugal force (basically inertia) like if you were on a merry go round trying to throw you off of it, the force of the gravitational force that is causing you to orbit that mass is greater than that centrifugal force.  That centrifugal force is also very very small due to the size of the circumference of that orbit.  We make one revolution per year.
Side note, I guess I will have to resurrect the posts yet again and include orbital force calculations. 

He also made the statement that gravity doesn't explain how the plane can fly along the curvature without making adjustments.
Well, in a big way gravity does, just not in the way you think I am going to explain it.  Gravity holds the atmosphere to the Earth.  The lower in elevation you are the thicker the air is.  Air is a gas and will roughly conform to its "container", i.e the surface of the Earth.  Since gravity is holding the air to the Earth and flying is actually move like swimming of surfing on a layer of the air, it would naturally follow that layer (pressure level) of atmosphere.  Funny thing is that the air pressure can fairly accurately tell you the altitude you are,  This is also another failure to see how small you and the plane are in relation to the Earth.  The plane is "surfing" on the top of a pressure layer of the atmosphere, which conforms to the Earth.  The plane can fly "straight" and as long as there is no weather anomaly that  drastically changes the pressures in the surrounding layer it will in fact follow that layer without adjustments.  If the layer curves, the planes path will curve, all without you knowing it due to how tiny you are in relation to that curved surface.  This is another example of not knowing how something works, making an assumption, and then making more assumptions from it, we get you don't understand how a plane flies through the air, we get you do not understand how the atmosphere is curved with the Earth, just stop assuming the plane would fly into space because you don't understand. 

I'll answer a couple of his questions.  BTW they were not in any way related to the OP, but hey I'll give it a shot.
He asked about feeling the rotation of the Earth and the orbital movement of the Earth around the sun.
First, understand how small you are in relation to the Earth.  The force of gravity is very much greater than the force you would feel due to the rotation.  This is called centrifugal force, I gave a couple of posts about this complete with mathematical proofs.   Gravity also answers the second part of you question, we are on the Earth it is moving we are moving with it.  It formed while moving so it isn't like you are in a car and you feel the acceleration, more like you are in a car that is traveling at a constant speed.  Gravity from the sun pulls the Earth towards it, which makes the Earth curve around the sun.  This orbit, while you would expect to feel the centrifugal force (basically inertia) like if you were on a merry go round trying to throw you off of it, the force of the gravitational force that is causing you to orbit that mass is greater than that centrifugal force.  That centrifugal force is also very very small due to the size of the circumference of that orbit.  We make one revolution per year.
Side note, I guess I will have to resurrect the posts yet again and include orbital force calculations. 

He also made the statement that gravity doesn't explain how the plane can fly along the curvature without making adjustments.
Well, in a big way gravity does, just not in the way you think I am going to explain it.  Gravity holds the atmosphere to the Earth.  The lower in elevation you are the thicker the air is.  Air is a gas and will roughly conform to its "container", i.e the surface of the Earth.  Since gravity is holding the air to the Earth and flying is actually move like swimming of surfing on a layer of the air, it would naturally follow that layer (pressure level) of atmosphere.  Funny thing is that the air pressure can fairly accurately tell you the altitude you are,  This is also another failure to see how small you and the plane are in relation to the Earth.  The plane is "surfing" on the top of a pressure layer of the atmosphere, which conforms to the Earth.  The plane can fly "straight" and as long as there is no weather anomaly that  drastically changes the pressures in the surrounding layer it will in fact follow that layer without adjustments.  If the layer curves, the planes path will curve, all without you knowing it due to how tiny you are in relation to that curved surface.  This is another example of not knowing how something works, making an assumption, and then making more assumptions from it, we get you don't understand how a plane flies through the air, we get you do not understand how the atmosphere is curved with the Earth, just stop assuming the plane would fly into space because you don't understand.

your explanations unsatisfying and the magic word of yours is gravity without gravity you worth nothing can you prove gravity solely without other theories that can works as well ? because gravity is a theory which cannot be proven and cannot be unproven.you just can find more elegant way and more simple ways to explain why we stay on ground,please supply me with gravity proof that cannot be explained in other way.

I'll answer a couple of his questions.  BTW they were not in any way related to the OP, but hey I'll give it a shot.
He asked about feeling the rotation of the Earth and the orbital movement of the Earth around the sun.
First, understand how small you are in relation to the Earth.  The force of gravity is very much greater than the force you would feel due to the rotation.  This is called centrifugal force, I gave a couple of posts about this complete with mathematical proofs.   Gravity also answers the second part of you question, we are on the Earth it is moving we are moving with it.  It formed while moving so it isn't like you are in a car and you feel the acceleration, more like you are in a car that is traveling at a constant speed.  Gravity from the sun pulls the Earth towards it, which makes the Earth curve around the sun.  This orbit, while you would expect to feel the centrifugal force (basically inertia) like if you were on a merry go round trying to throw you off of it, the force of the gravitational force that is causing you to orbit that mass is greater than that centrifugal force.  That centrifugal force is also very very small due to the size of the circumference of that orbit.  We make one revolution per year.
Side note, I guess I will have to resurrect the posts yet again and include orbital force calculations. 

He also made the statement that gravity doesn't explain how the plane can fly along the curvature without making adjustments.
Well, in a big way gravity does, just not in the way you think I am going to explain it.  Gravity holds the atmosphere to the Earth.  The lower in elevation you are the thicker the air is.  Air is a gas and will roughly conform to its "container", i.e the surface of the Earth.  Since gravity is holding the air to the Earth and flying is actually move like swimming of surfing on a layer of the air, it would naturally follow that layer (pressure level) of atmosphere.  Funny thing is that the air pressure can fairly accurately tell you the altitude you are,  This is also another failure to see how small you and the plane are in relation to the Earth.  The plane is "surfing" on the top of a pressure layer of the atmosphere, which conforms to the Earth.  The plane can fly "straight" and as long as there is no weather anomaly that  drastically changes the pressures in the surrounding layer it will in fact follow that layer without adjustments.  If the layer curves, the planes path will curve, all without you knowing it due to how tiny you are in relation to that curved surface.  This is another example of not knowing how something works, making an assumption, and then making more assumptions from it, we get you don't understand how a plane flies through the air, we get you do not understand how the atmosphere is curved with the Earth, just stop assuming the plane would fly into space because you don't understand.

let's play your game:
" the force of the gravitational force that is causing you to orbit that mass is greater than that centrifugal force" you have a lot to prove here what make you think about it ? first you have to prove there is gravity than you have to explain what is centrifugal force than you have to prove the whole sentence - prove prove prove

prove to me all what you have said because i didn't understand what is the layer and why spacecrafts are not affected by this atmospheric, which you have to prove exist at all,layer.

Aliveandkicking you are idiot see how mikey understood my words and you didn't hahahahah you are idiot.

The best way to see gravitation is to look up gravitational lending pictures.

The best way to see gravitation is to look up gravitational lending pictures.

what is this ?
and now take this one and try to explain it other way,more simple,more elegant.

Can't get much simpler than one sentence. Look up gravitational lending. Then look at the photos.

How can you explain that one power does so many different things?

-1- moving the earth and the sun (and galaxies) through the universe (mindboggling speeds)
-2- spinning the earth
-3- not spinning the moon
-4- to let objects fall to the centre of the earth and to keep life forms on their feet wherever they are on the globe.
-5- to keep life forms on their feet in different locations with different earth spinning speeds

-6- different speeds/power (1-5) and only one power

Can't get much simpler than one sentence. Look up gravitational lending. Then look at the photos.

i looked up and i don't find gravitational lending i find gravitational lensing in it's cgi by nasa

Quote from: sokarul on May 20, 2015, 10:05:58 AM

Can't get much simpler than one sentence. Look up gravitational lending. Then look at the photos.

i looked up and i don't find gravitational lending i find gravitational lensing in it's cgi by nasa

I'm at work on my phone. It's autocorrecting.  Yes lensing is what I was trying to post.

How can you explain that one power does so many different things?

-1- moving the earth and the sun (and galaxies) through the universe (mindboggling speeds)
-2- spinning the earth
-3- not spinning the moon
-4- to let fall objects to the centre of the earth and to keep life forms on their feet wherever they are on the globe.
-5- to keep life forms on their feet in different locations with different earth spinning speeds

-6- different speeds/power (1-5) and only one power

1. Not the product of gravity.
2. The way the earth formed gave it it's spin. It's slowing down over time. But yes when gas/dust clouds started to attract each other they started to rotate.
3. The moon does rotate.
4. The strength of gravitation allows this. It's a weak force and can be overcome easily.
5. Don't understand this. Maybe the more mass the stronger it is, answers your question.

Quote from: Tom on May 20, 2015, 10:09:53 AM

How can you explain that one power does so many different things?

-1- moving the earth and the sun (and galaxies) through the universe (mindboggling speeds)
-2- spinning the earth
-3- not spinning the moon
-4- to let fall objects to the centre of the earth and to keep life forms on their feet wherever they are on the globe.
-5- to keep life forms on their feet in different locations with different earth spinning speeds

-6- different speeds/power (1-5) and only one power

1. Not the product of gravity.
2. The way the earth formed gave it it's spin. It's slowing down over time. But yes when gas/dust clouds started to attract each other they started to rotate.
3. The moon does rotate.
4. The strength of gravitation allows this. It's a weak force and can be overcome easily.
5. Don't understand this. Maybe the more mass the stronger it is, answers your question.

wow so many theories you have no proof no single proof everything is so rough and lifeless.

Quote from: sokarul on May 20, 2015, 10:29:46 AM

Quote from: Tom on May 20, 2015, 10:09:53 AM

How can you explain that one power does so many different things?

-1- moving the earth and the sun (and galaxies) through the universe (mindboggling speeds)
-2- spinning the earth
-3- not spinning the moon
-4- to let fall objects to the centre of the earth and to keep life forms on their feet wherever they are on the globe.
-5- to keep life forms on their feet in different locations with different earth spinning speeds

-6- different speeds/power (1-5) and only one power

1. Not the product of gravity.
2. The way the earth formed gave it it's spin. It's slowing down over time. But yes when gas/dust clouds started to attract each other they started to rotate.
3. The moon does rotate.
4. The strength of gravitation allows this. It's a weak force and can be overcome easily.
5. Don't understand this. Maybe the more mass the stronger it is, answers your question.

wow so many theories you have no proof no single proof everything is so rough and lifeless.

The word you are looking for is evidence. And there is evidence of what I claimed.

Are you going to provide evidence in you "organs don't do anything thread"?

than you have to explain what is centrifugal force

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=centrifugal+force+

Your lack of knowledge is not his problem.

Also, it's "then"

Quote from: Tom on May 20, 2015, 10:09:53 AM

How can you explain that one power does so many different things?

-1- moving the earth and the sun (and galaxies) through the universe (mindboggling speeds)
-2- spinning the earth
-3- not spinning the moon
-4- to let fall objects to the centre of the earth and to keep life forms on their feet wherever they are on the globe.
-5- to keep life forms on their feet in different locations with different earth spinning speeds

-6- different speeds/power (1-5) and only one power

1. Not the product of gravity.
2. The way the earth formed gave it it's spin. It's slowing down over time. But yes when gas/dust clouds started to attract each other they started to rotate.
3. The moon does rotate.
4. The strength of gravitation allows this. It's a weak force and can be overcome easily.
5. Don't understand this. Maybe the more mass the stronger it is, answers your question.

1 so, what is it?
2 prove please that this happened
3 true, but a lot less. Why is that? Which force is keeping the other gravity weak?
4 what forces are there exactly in operation in the universe and how do they interact?
5 that's not a reliable answer

as you can see here there are many problems with gravity:

https://plus.maths.org/content/problems-gravity