Moderation

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 07:20:49 AM »
All the posts I report break the rules.

Why are you so sensitive?

Are you gonna report me now for "name calling"?

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Kestryll

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2015, 08:05:16 AM »
All the posts I report break the rules.

Why are you so sensitive?

Are you gonna report me now for "name calling"?

I've been getting reports all morning, but I just ignored them mostly lol

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Slemon

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2015, 09:11:43 AM »
All the posts I report break the rules.

I assumed so, but that doesn't change the fact that flooding isn't going to achieve anything, especially with only one regular mod who likely takes one look at the pile and puts it off until he has more time.
It's not ideal, but with no decent structure in place, it's the best you'll get. Save reports for the major issues: particularly cruel personal attacks, porn/gore, cluster f-bombs, spamming, Obama taking over the forum etc. At least that way we'll know the major stuff gets dealt with.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2015, 09:24:00 AM »
All the posts I report break the rules.

I assumed so, but that doesn't change the fact that flooding isn't going to achieve anything, especially with only one regular mod who likely takes one look at the pile and puts it off until he has more time.
It's not ideal, but with no decent structure in place, it's the best you'll get. Save reports for the major issues: particularly cruel personal attacks, porn/gore, cluster f-bombs, spamming, Obama taking over the forum etc. At least that way we'll know the major stuff gets dealt with.
The real reason is because I reported them so jroa won't do a thing about it.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2015, 01:25:12 PM »
I'm not sure there are any mods left.  Rats and sinking ship...
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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 08:48:09 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2015, 09:14:28 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2015, 10:15:36 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2015, 10:18:33 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2015, 10:39:31 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2015, 10:42:23 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2015, 10:43:34 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

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Kestryll

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2015, 10:45:37 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.

Black and white, yes

Artsy room, no

Long story short, whips and chains excite him.

Think "pulp fiction gimp", then go get him a pic.

Re: Moderation
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2015, 10:48:26 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.

PM sent

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2015, 10:56:35 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.

PM sent

Letter sent, hope you weren't lyin or someone is going to be real confused.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2015, 10:58:15 AM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.

PM sent

Letter sent, hope you weren't lyin or someone is going to be real confused.

ill believe it when it shows up. haha

Re: Moderation
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2015, 11:00:41 AM »
Just make me a mod. Simple.

That would make this the greatest closet homo forum ever.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2015, 12:14:38 PM »
Is stuff like this going to be dealt with yet or do I need to report 20 posts a day?
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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2015, 12:17:51 PM »
To be clear, I am not reporting any of these, I'm just posting them here. Gets around the cool down timer but also saves the mods the email spam.

Also nice try at baiting spyguy. Couldn't care less what you have to say though.

Baiting? Dude, you are sitting here reporting post because you can't handle what is said. Either add the person/people to your ignore list. or just skip over their post. Its the internet, people are assholes on the internet, if you can't handle that and all you do is report peoples post, than maybe you shouldn't be on here. Ive seen fucked up post here but I never reported them.

I bolded the pertinent part of the post you didn't read. Which doesn't surprise me given that what I have seen of you shows you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

Furthermore, its a bit incongruous for you to sit in here and try to bait me into getting mad saying I should stop being a sissy and just ignore what I don't like, by posting so much about what I say that you don't like. Stop being a sissy, ignore me and move on.

If you want I can give you some numbers for people that can help you with all that sand in your vagina.

Sweet thanks, I figured you would be the perfect person to know all about that. Please PM me the numbers. Can I use you as a reference?

Still with the sand in the vagina over what I am posting? I love having admirers. I can sign some head shots for you. Should I sign it "To my biggest fan, good luck with that sandy vagina! - Lemmi"?

Yes please!  ;D I would love to have one. Ill pm you my address.

I'll get you a black and white and glossy color. You know, for the artsy room and then for the bedside.

I know what you like.

PM sent

Letter sent, hope you weren't lyin or someone is going to be real confused.

ill believe it when it shows up. haha

Well?
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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robintex

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2015, 04:23:51 PM »
Really Lemmiwanks, why are you doing this?

Because I have seen others banned for less in less time. This guy is adding nothing, annoying and pretty obviously a troll and probably an alt. Yet nothing is being done about any of it.

I have been banned so many times I have lost count. I would have to check back to give you an accurate count. LOL. But I think I have figured it out. Don't post anything that even is remotely factual such as the fact that the earth really a spheroid shaped globe and it is not some phonograph record disc with an ice ring, et cetera, et cetera, and so forth. I think it's OK on the Debate section of the forum but not on Q&A or other sections so maybe I can stay off the banned list if I'm careful .

But all kinds of trolling, profanity and vulgarity seem to go by without banning. I don't know about warnings, but you see these same persons continually doing this over and over. Most other websites I visit have rules against this and wouldn't tolerate the stuff you see on this website. If enough posters complain, some of those websites have ways to call it to the moderator's attention and the post is deleted.

I saw a posting by a flat earther to take this website seriously. I wonder how any person of reasonably sound mind could take this website seriously ? It's too much fun to take it seriously-I mean the flat earth side . As a reviewer said of a book that he thought was particularly bad . : "It's so stupid it's funny."

So that's my two cents worth comments on the mods. In this world of inflation it's probably de-valued a bit and not really worth the two cents. In the final analysis you just  have to take this website for what it is and abide with it.
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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2015, 04:39:18 PM »
Really Lemmiwanks, why are you doing this?

Because I have seen others banned for less in less time. This guy is adding nothing, annoying and pretty obviously a troll and probably an alt. Yet nothing is being done about any of it.

I have been banned so many times I have lost count. I would have to check back to give you an accurate count. LOL. But I think I have figured it out. Don't post anything that even is remotely factual such as the fact that the earth really a spheroid shaped globe and it is not some phonograph record disc with an ice ring, et cetera, et cetera, and so forth. I think it's OK on the Debate section of the forum but not on Q&A or other sections so maybe I can stay off the banned list if I'm careful .

But all kinds of trolling, profanity and vulgarity seem to go by without banning. I don't know about warnings, but you see these same persons continually doing this over and over. Most other websites I visit have rules against this and wouldn't tolerate the stuff you see on this website. If enough posters complain, some of those websites have ways to call it to the moderator's attention and the post is deleted.

I saw a posting by a flat earther to take this website seriously. I wonder how any person of reasonably sound mind could take this website seriously ? It's too much fun to take it seriously-I mean the flat earth side . As a reviewer said of a book that he thought was particularly bad . : "It's so stupid it's funny."

So that's my two cents worth comments on the mods. In this world of inflation it's probably de-valued a bit and not really worth the two cents. In the final analysis you just  have to take this website for what it is and abide with it.

But I do take it for what it is, the problem is people like this ruin the site.

People come here to troll and be trolled and to try to troll trolls. No one in their right mind believes the earth is flat, but its fun to debate someone that is playing at believing it. If they are good and smart and clever.

The problem is the mods are letting the lowest common denominator hang around too much. Papa and EJ and Heiwa literally bring nothing to any thread they are in, they aren't clever and they aren't funny. The mods should have closed all of them down. People like JRowe, Vaux and iWitness while annoying as hell are at least fun to debate (for the most part) and bring something to the boards.

I think I am just tired of coming here and I have met people here I like talking to and with the site just becoming more and more of a chore to read and sift through I am finding less and less reasons to come back.

Oh well.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2015, 04:47:03 PM »
Lemmiwinks, there is a block function on this forum. Are you familiar with this?

Believe me, I don't like the useless trolls either. The ones that just post insults, profanity, and nonsensical bullshit. I will tolerate terrible spelling if they're trying to make a point, and I will even tolerate obscene profanity, intolerance, and ad hominens provided that's not the entire body of their posts... after that is when I draw the line. It's lazy. It's not funny. And it's a waste of time scrolling through all that shit. But the block function is very helpful for avoiding the accounts you don't want to deal with.

It's also not entirely the fault of the account creator, either. Many people will engage these obvious trolls without a care in the world, which just supports their behavior. The ultimate goal here would be to have the sensible users use some sense and not respond to obvious troll posts that offer absolutely no content... but a lot of the users here seem to like mindless BS, and there's not really anything we can do about that as normal users.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 04:51:00 PM by Vauxhall »
Read the FAQS.

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2015, 05:09:14 PM »
Lemmiwinks, there is a block function on this forum. Are you familiar with this?

Believe me, I don't like the useless trolls either. The ones that just post insults, profanity, and nonsensical bullshit. I will tolerate terrible spelling if they're trying to make a point, and I will even tolerate obscene profanity, intolerance, and ad hominens provided that's not the entire body of their posts... after that is when I draw the line. It's lazy. It's not funny. And it's a waste of time scrolling through all that shit. But the block function is very helpful for avoiding the accounts you don't want to deal with.

It's also not entirely the fault of the account creator, either. Many people will engage these obvious trolls without a care in the world, which just supports their behavior. The ultimate goal here would be to have the sensible users use some sense and not respond to obvious troll posts that offer absolutely no content... but a lot of the users here seem to like mindless BS, and there's not really anything we can do about that as normal users.

If I could get an admin to unblock my work IP I would be totally cool with this! But because I have to use a proxy at work just to sign in, and proxy sites make it so blocking doesn't work, I am forced to see their posts anyways.

It makes me so mad I could punch a baby.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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