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Were the Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings necessary?

Yes, they were necessary to get Imperial Japan to surrender and end World War II
No, they were not necessary to Imperial Japan's surrender

Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings

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Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings
« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2015, 07:18:34 PM »

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Second, perhaps the Japanese were hoping to be taken up on their request to negotiate a peace.

The peace talks had already been going on before the Potsdam declaration, with Japan still not accepting unconditional surrender.

There was no negotiating.  The Potsdam declaration was an ultimatum, and when the Japanese tried to back channel through the Soviets, they were stone-walled.
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Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings
« Reply #121 on: May 24, 2015, 07:24:30 PM »

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Second, perhaps the Japanese were hoping to be taken up on their request to negotiate a peace.

The peace talks had already been going on before the Potsdam declaration, with Japan still not accepting unconditional surrender.

There was no negotiating.  The Potsdam declaration was an ultimatum, and when the Japanese tried to back channel through the Soviets, they were stone-walled.

 ??? ??? ??? The wikipedia page says that Japanese attempts to deal with the Soviet Union began June 30th, and the last date it gives for that topic is July 21st, where Tōgō says: With regard to unconditional surrender we are unable to consent to it under any circumstances whatever. The Potsdam Declaration was issued July 26th.

EDIT: If what you're saying is that the Japanese tried to contact the Soviet Union after the declaration and were "stonewalled", of course they were. It had already been established that only unconditional surrender was acceptable, and the terms of unconditional surrender were not unreasonable. We were discussing why the Japanese would choose the less favorable of two options.
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Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings
« Reply #122 on: May 25, 2015, 05:03:13 AM »
Either way, they were forced to never go to war again. The people just had atom bombs dropped on major cities. Do you think they're going to fight in a war that just might get them atom bombed again?
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Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings
« Reply #123 on: May 25, 2015, 12:00:18 PM »
Either way, they were forced to never go to war again. The people just had atom bombs dropped on major cities. Do you think they're going to fight in a war that just might get them atom bombed again?

Do you know how to read? They were not forced to "never go to war again". Why are you making things up? Basic reading comprehension is required for this forum.
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