evidence clouds do not exist

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:21:49 AM

I have flown through clouds countless times - they are wet.
everything at that altitude is wet, it's where all the water vapor condenses. this has already been explained.

start responding to my actual argument rather than these weak and obvious straw men.

What altitude. I am talking about flying through clouds with micro lights. not at 30 000ft. Its wet in the cloud, its not wet out of the cloud

grey clouds, yes: but water is everywhere at those altitudes, even by round earther science.

grey clouds, yes: but water is everywhere at those altitudes, even by round earther science.

If a microlight flies through a grey rain cloud it is not flying out. Flew through those little white puffy ones at just over 300-600ft from the ground. Its wet in clouds, not wet out of them, at least I have experimental evidence that you do not.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:29:56 AM

grey clouds, yes: but water is everywhere at those altitudes, even by round earther science.

If a microlight flies through a grey rain cloud it is not flying out. Flew through those little white puffy ones at just over 300-600ft from the ground. Its wet in clouds, not wet out of them, at least I have experimental evidence that you do not.

or you're just making this up to act superior. or maybe you don't understand how senses work: reduced visibility in a cloud will make the humidity seem more intense.

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on June 03, 2015, 05:33:53 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:29:56 AM

grey clouds, yes: but water is everywhere at those altitudes, even by round earther science.

If a microlight flies through a grey rain cloud it is not flying out. Flew through those little white puffy ones at just over 300-600ft from the ground. Its wet in clouds, not wet out of them, at least I have experimental evidence that you do not.

or you're just making this up to act superior. or maybe you don't understand how senses work:

Flown in small planes, commercial jets, helicopters, gliders and micro lights a lot, never in a hot air balloon though.

reduced visibility in a cloud will make the humidity seem more intense - 

can you please link to the study that discovered this.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:44:32 AM

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on June 03, 2015, 05:33:53 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:29:56 AM

grey clouds, yes: but water is everywhere at those altitudes, even by round earther science.

If a microlight flies through a grey rain cloud it is not flying out. Flew through those little white puffy ones at just over 300-600ft from the ground. Its wet in clouds, not wet out of them, at least I have experimental evidence that you do not.

or you're just making this up to act superior. or maybe you don't understand how senses work:

Flown in small planes, commercial jets, helicopters, gliders and micro lights a lot, never in a hot air balloon though.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 05:44:32 AM

reduced visibility in a cloud will make the humidity seem more intense - 

can you please link to the study that discovered this.

it's more than humidity, it's everything. blind people have their other senses enhanced: if you close or defocus your eyes you can focus on what you hear far more. it's just a matter of reducing distraction. that's why if you close your eyes in the car, you can feel more nauseous: instead of reducing motion sickness, it makes what you feel more intense.

If you consider that a study then there is no hope.

Close your eyes and open them in 10 seconds.

Did you feel more humid over that time? Did your shirt get wet? Is your hair also wet now?
When I say it was wet in the cloud, I dont mean a higher humidity, I meant things gets wet. Image standing in a light shower with your clothes on, that is getting wet.

If you consider that a study then there is no hope.

Close your eyes and open them in 10 seconds.

Did you feel more humid over that time? Did your shirt get wet? Is your hair also wet now?
When I say it was wet in the cloud, I dont mean a higher humidity, I meant things gets wet. Image standing in a light shower with your clothes on, that is getting wet.

yes, and you'll get wet anywhere at that altitude: it simply feels worse with low visibility.

The altitude I was flying was a few hundred meters above ground at what we call the low veld in South Africa. (close to the Kruger National Park, a big state game reserve)  Basically inland but the ground is close to sea level. It was a generally calm day except a few low lying clouds. We where literally flying below some mountain tops. In terms of altitude, my home town was a few hundred meters higher than what I was flying. I cant remember what our flying altitude was, but I would not have been more than 100-200m above ground. The air strip is 1 050ft in elevation. http://www.ingwelala.co.za/about-us/directions.html <--- the place I regularly go to, the air strip is where we took off with the micro light.

What more would you like to know?

Wolf. I think it's time to give up on this one. After all, we're debating whether clouds exist FFS!

Dammit you are probably right. JRowe, go charter a micro-light

The altitude I was flying was a few hundred meters above ground at what we call the low veld in South Africa. (close to the Kruger National Park, a big state game reserve)  Basically inland but the ground is close to sea level. It was a generally calm day except a few low lying clouds. We where literally flying below some mountain tops. In terms of altitude, my home town was a few hundred meters higher than what I was flying. I cant remember what our flying altitude was, but I would not have been more than 100-200m above ground. The air strip is 1 050ft in elevation. http://www.ingwelala.co.za/about-us/directions.html <--- the place I regularly go to, the air strip is where we took off with the micro light.

What more would you like to know?

if you flew by mountaintops, what you experienced was mist supported by ground. clouds do not have that.

Jrowe, I went to Kaprun, Austria last winter, and took the following photo:



I was at 3000m altitude, skiing. The Kaprun village is actually under the clouds, and it normally looks like this:






From my hotel in Kaprun, it seemed that it was a cloudy day, as the sky was covered in clouds. I had a pleasant surprise when I took the ski lift up. There wasn't any mist on the ground, just clouds at about 200m above ground.

How do you explain this?

Jrowe, I went to Kaprun, Austria last winter, and took the following photo:



I was at 3000m altitude, skiing. The Kaprun village is actually under the clouds, and it normally looks like this:






From my hotel in Kaprun, it seemed that it was a cloudy day, as the sky was covered in clouds. I had a pleasant surprise when I took the ski lift up. There wasn't any mist on the ground, just clouds at about 200m above ground.

How do you explain this?

It would appear to me clouds are real, but artificial. They are created by NASA to obscure visibility at heights that may reveal the truth shape of the earth.

the inconsistency of their appearance creates ambiguous results and allows doubt, that's all any conspiracy needs

It would appear to me clouds are real, but artificial. They are created by NASA to obscure visibility at heights that may reveal the truth shape of the earth.

the inconsistency of their appearance creates ambiguous results and allows doubt, that's all any conspiracy needs

When do you think they first started making clouds and how is it that nobody would notice?  Also, there are clear days where there are no clouds to be seen.

On a related note, clouds appear to meet the horizon which proves that the Earth is round.

Quote from: mikewolf13 on June 04, 2015, 12:11:23 PM

It would appear to me clouds are real, but artificial. They are created by NASA to obscure visibility at heights that may reveal the truth shape of the earth.

the inconsistency of their appearance creates ambiguous results and allows doubt, that's all any conspiracy needs

When do you think they first started making clouds and how is it that nobody would notice?  Also, there are clear days where there are no clouds to be seen.

On a related note, clouds appear to meet the horizon which proves that the Earth is round.

I agree. I was just having fun.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on June 04, 2015, 01:12:30 PM

Quote from: mikewolf13 on June 04, 2015, 12:11:23 PM

It would appear to me clouds are real, but artificial. They are created by NASA to obscure visibility at heights that may reveal the truth shape of the earth.

the inconsistency of their appearance creates ambiguous results and allows doubt, that's all any conspiracy needs

When do you think they first started making clouds and how is it that nobody would notice?  Also, there are clear days where there are no clouds to be seen.

On a related note, clouds appear to meet the horizon which proves that the Earth is round.

I agree. I was just having fun.

There was actually someone here once who thought that many of the southern stars were actually government planes and there is a more recently active flat earther who thought that mountains were all built by the government.  That's why I thought you were being serious.

There was actually someone here once who thought that many of the southern stars were actually government planes and there is a more recently active flat earther who thought that mountains were all built by the government.  That's why I thought you were being serious.

The first was JRowe and even he discarded that notion, and to be fair I don't think anyone thinks the mountain deniers were serious. Just assume everything is sarcasm until proven otherwise, it's the only way to stay sane.

Sceptic claimed inertia didn't exist.

J Davis is the dinosaur boat guy

The real fe'ers used to claimed the moon was a metal disc pushed out of the earth by the photoelectric effect.

November 17 claimed atoms don't exist.

Sandokhan claimed sinusoidal waves don't exist.

Not as notable as Mike’s, but this is one I took. It goes from the top to the bottom over a few hours.
Also there’s a problem that wind can move clouds as you see in a time lapse.. which wouldn’t happen if they were nothing.

If people think that clouds are fake then your parents are brother and sister. "Clouds are actually real. Period. So shut your mouth you goddam crackers." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on June 03, 2015, 06:17:38 AM

The altitude I was flying was a few hundred meters above ground at what we call the low veld in South Africa. (close to the Kruger National Park, a big state game reserve)  Basically inland but the ground is close to sea level. It was a generally calm day except a few low lying clouds. We where literally flying below some mountain tops. In terms of altitude, my home town was a few hundred meters higher than what I was flying. I cant remember what our flying altitude was, but I would not have been more than 100-200m above ground. The air strip is 1 050ft in elevation. http://www.ingwelala.co.za/about-us/directions.html <--- the place I regularly go to, the air strip is where we took off with the micro light.

What more would you like to know?

if you flew by mountaintops, what you experienced was mist supported by ground. clouds do not have that.

Do you read your shit before you type it? Here's a list of logical steps so easy, even a moron like you can understand it.

>White puffs in the sky are observed
>They are then named Clouds
>Later discovered to be liquid water, supported by gaseous water
>Clouds exist

Enjoy.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 03, 2015, 08:07:51 AM

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on June 03, 2015, 06:17:38 AM

The altitude I was flying was a few hundred meters above ground at what we call the low veld in South Africa. (close to the Kruger National Park, a big state game reserve)  Basically inland but the ground is close to sea level. It was a generally calm day except a few low lying clouds. We where literally flying below some mountain tops. In terms of altitude, my home town was a few hundred meters higher than what I was flying. I cant remember what our flying altitude was, but I would not have been more than 100-200m above ground. The air strip is 1 050ft in elevation. http://www.ingwelala.co.za/about-us/directions.html <--- the place I regularly go to, the air strip is where we took off with the micro light.

What more would you like to know?

if you flew by mountaintops, what you experienced was mist supported by ground. clouds do not have that.

Do you read your shit before you type it? Here's a list of logical steps so easy, even a moron like you can understand it.

>White puffs in the sky are observed
>They are then named Clouds
>Later discovered to be liquid water, supported by gaseous water
>Clouds exist

Enjoy.

Sorry mate but i atually called nasa yesterday and they said that clouds are real. so how do explain the edgyts that belive that clouds are images and why would people lie about rhat??