ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #300 on: May 12, 2015, 09:29:44 AM »
If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:


Identified.  That is about 11-30PM with the sun travelling right to left

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #301 on: May 12, 2015, 10:50:02 AM »
I'm not going over the Mindil beach thing again,  you just keep deliberately restating it incorrectly.   

The zigzag idea is just wrong,  the earth doesn't move in a circle each 24 hours,  it rotates on it's axis every 24 hours.   That's what gives us day and night.  And the tilt of the axis gives us the seasons.
Your video purports to show what would happen on a round earth, when in fact it's the flat earth that has the sun moving in circles.   

You've confused rotation on an axis with moving in a circle.   In this video of yours " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">  you should be spinning around, not moving the camera in circles.

And Aliveandkicking has nailed the Lemaire Channel directions nicely.   More nails in the flat earth coffin.

« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 10:56:52 AM by Rayzor »
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #302 on: May 12, 2015, 11:09:20 AM »
Almost solstice time lapse at Davis station  ;D

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #303 on: May 12, 2015, 11:24:31 AM »
If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:


Identified.  That is about 11-30PM with the sun travelling right to left

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Below that video we can read these words:

The Lemaire Channel is a spectacular sight with enormous sheer cliffs falling straight into the sea. Affectionately known as "Kodak Gap," this narrow 7 mile long waterway flows between the 3,000-foot peaks of Booth Island and the peninsula Glaciers and cliffs reflected in still waters at the south end of the channel. We dropped anchor at the southern end of the channel at about 10 pm and waited for the sun to set slowly at midnight. We could see the Quark Sea Adventurer also anchored near Pleneau Island and their yellow jacketed passengers walking on a nearby ridge.



Does this mean that the Sun sets at the Northern end of Lemaire channel?

What do you think?
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #304 on: May 12, 2015, 11:35:21 AM »
Would you all agree that this is the final version of "Mindil beach - Sunset" case:

,having in mind what we can see in this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank"> , provided by Rayzor)?
The Sun is setting south of due west in the video, so no issues there. Since it's clear, apparently even to you now, that the Sun sets in the WSW to WNW range, why don't you just discard those maps? If you insist that you need one, replace it with one with the arrows pointing in the WSW and WNW directions and labeled as such. That will be less confusing than labeling a WSW arrow as "west" for some reason, and a due west arrow as "northwest". Get rid of the purple text and graphics while you're at it, too, please!

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Now, we have to come back again to the foundation of modern astronomy which i have established
Oh, please...  ::)

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by offering to the humanity absolutely irrefutable proof of the stability (motionless) of the Earth.

     Supposition 1. ROUND EARTH + HELIOCENTRISM

1. There would be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Arctic circle.
2. There would be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Antarctic circle, also.
You have never successfully explained why this would be so. In order for this to be the case, the Earth would have to be much, much closer to the Sun than the Heliocentric model has it.

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THERE IS NO ZIGZAG MOTION OF THE SUN WITHIN THE ARCTIC CIRCLE!!!
You see... we told you! Your strawman argument is exposed for what it is.

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A consequence of that: HELIOCENTRISM IS COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS HYPOTHESIS WHICH I HAVE REFUTED ONCE AND FOR ALL WITH JUST ONE SIMPLE BUT UNDENIABLE ARGUMENT!!!
Nope. cikljamas' completely bogus representation of the the Heliocentric model is undeniably wrong. Are you still confused about the Heliocentric model, or are you intentionally misrepresenting what it says? The latter is called lying.

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For those who are still not acquainted with this simple and devastating (for HC theory this idea) proof, here it is once more : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1655872#msg1655872
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1675999#msg1675999

Now, if heliocentrism is wrong then Round Earth theory must be wrong,
Even if the condition were true (it's not, as is clearly shown if you follow those threads), how does that conclusion necessarily follow?

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also, because without the alleged tilt of the earth, there is no way how someone could explain a principle of work of seasons (day and night map) on the Earth.
Which is how we know the Earth rotates and its axis is tilted. Simple and elegant, this accurately explains millennia of observations.

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    Supposition 2. ROUND EARTH + GEOCENTRISM

1. There would NOT be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Arctic circle.
2. There would NOT be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Antarctic circle, also.
Since there would not be in this model or the actual Heliocentric model, this is ambiguous.

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The Sun should be a much smaller body than the Earth, because smaller bodies have to circle around bigger bodies instead of vice-versa. Same goes for the stars and the moon.
If you're going to argue about orbital mechanics, you may want to learn something about it first. When you say "smaller" here, you mean "less massive". Even so, the "smaller" body doesn't "circle around" the "bigger" body, they both orbit their common center of mass. Orbits are not necessarily perfect circles; in fact, they're very seldom, if ever, perfect circles.

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A consequence of that: 1. All celestial bodies must be very, very close to the Earth.
Why? How can you determine the size of the Sun based only on the assumption that it is less massive than the Earth. You have to make another assumption about its density to do that. This is why your earlier fuzzy thinking about the linear size instead of mass of orbiting bodies is leading you astray.

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2. The Sun's rays should penetrate through the Earth or bend around the Earth so to be able to illuminate large portions of the Earth simultanously. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1659755#msg1659755
3. Velocities of the supposed geocentric-daily motions of the celestial bodies around the motionless ROUND earth would be enormous.
4. There would be unexplainable, why the speeds of the Sun's motion are so different when comparing his motion above the tropic of capricorn vs his motion above the tropic of cancer. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1677587#msg1677587
OK. I'm convinced. The Geocentric Universe is impossible! Welcome to the 17th Century!

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    Supposition 3. THE EARTH IS FLAT

1. There would NOT be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Arctic circle.

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1669224#msg1669224

2. There would be a ZIGZAG motion of the Sun within the Antarctic circle if there were TRUE Midnight Sun phenomena down there, that is to say, if the Sun were CLEARLY visible for FULL 24 hours a day within the Antarctic circle, which has yet to be determine!
Well, there you go, then! We do see a true midnight sun from within the Antarctic circle and no "zigzag".
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I have opened this thread in order to try to put this question beyond dispute.
And it is beyond dispute.

Let's review:
cikljamas' strawman substitute for the Heliocentric model of the solar system is nothing but a strawman.
The Geocentric model of the solar system is clearly shown to be impossible (some of cikljamas' reasons are even correct).
The flat-earth model of the universe is wrong (fails on cikljamas' own "Antarctic zig-zag" requirement).

This pretty much leaves us with the Heliocentric model of the solar system that does work. That's the one with a large (on a human scale) rotating spherical earth, orbiting a much more massive sun at great distance compared with earth's size, and the stars at even vastly greater distances. This expects no "zig-zag" motion of the Sun from anywhere on earth (check!), the Sun appearing to move along a constant line through the backdrop of stars from anywhere on earth (check!), daily motion of the Sun and stars across the sky in a way that depends on latitude (check!), northern and southern circumpolar stars (check!), including the Sun at high enough latitudes at certain times of year (check!), seasons depending on the position of the sun through the year (check!).

If there are any other possibilities that successfully explain all of the above, let's hear them! Notions that fail any of these need not apply. There are additional observations that also need to be addressed by competing models, but none presented so far address even the obvious basics.

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This would be the best way how to render it: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63538.msg1686598#msg1686598
Render what? You still haven't explained what this picture is telling you. I'll repeat the question again: Which way is true north in this picture. How do you know?

I'll add this: How do you know what time it was when the picture was taken? [Yes, I know there's a watch in the picture.]

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While we are waiting for someone to bring forth such an evidence, we can try something else :
What evidence are you waiting for? Antarctic midnight sun? It's been provided numerous times.

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If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:
ANTARCTICA LEMAIRE CHANNEL SUNSET : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

http://i.imgur.com/4Sz40wS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q9YW5Hn.jpg
Lovely pictures. Do you have some reason to believe the sunset is in the north? Don't be shy. Let's hear it! [OK, I see you are just now attempting that. Stay tuned...]

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #305 on: May 12, 2015, 12:31:18 PM »
If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:


Identified.  That is about 11-30PM with the sun travelling right to left

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Below that video we can read these words:

The Lemaire Channel is a spectacular sight with enormous sheer cliffs falling straight into the sea. Affectionately known as "Kodak Gap," this narrow 7 mile long waterway flows between the 3,000-foot peaks of Booth Island and the peninsula Glaciers and cliffs reflected in still waters at the south end of the channel. We dropped anchor at the southern end of the channel at about 10 pm and waited for the sun to set slowly at midnight. We could see the Quark Sea Adventurer also anchored near Pleneau Island and their yellow jacketed passengers walking on a nearby ridge.



Does this mean that the Sun sets at the Northern end of Lemaire channel?

What do you think?

It sets at the southern end.

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Timelapse of almost one day of cruise in southwest direction

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Similar trip thru same south west neuymayer channel and onwards into southern sunset.

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #306 on: May 12, 2015, 12:40:48 PM »
If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:
http://i.imgur.com/q9YW5Hn.jpg

Identified.  That is about 11-30PM with the sun travelling right to left

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Below that video we can read these words:

The Lemaire Channel is a spectacular sight with enormous sheer cliffs falling straight into the sea. Affectionately known as "Kodak Gap," this narrow 7 mile long waterway flows between the 3,000-foot peaks of Booth Island and the peninsula Glaciers and cliffs reflected in still waters at the south end of the channel. We dropped anchor at the southern end of the channel at about 10 pm and waited for the sun to set slowly at midnight. We could see the Quark Sea Adventurer also anchored near Pleneau Island and their yellow jacketed passengers walking on a nearby ridge.
Unless you have a real location (an accurate latitude and longitude would be best), you're just speculating.

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http://i.imgur.com/YSqKRdb.jpg

Does this mean that the Sun sets at the Northern end of Lemaire channel?
Not when viewed from the south end of the channel.

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What do you think?

You need to do better research before just plunking locations and arrows on maps.

Quote from: Antarctic Treaty Visitor Site Guide
Pleneau Island
65˚06’S, 64˚04’W - Located west of Booth Island at the southern end of the Lemaire Channel.
Pleneau Island Visitor Site Guide [pdf].

Based on the description you quote, you've got them on the wrong side of Booth Island. Your speculation about their location is obviously wrong.
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #307 on: May 12, 2015, 01:06:16 PM »
Just to clarify the zigzag misconception,  since that seems to be at the heart of your misunderstanding.   

Instead of moving the camera in circles, you should be rotating on an axis,   a bit like this,  where you are rotating about a central axis.

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Best video I could find on short notice to illustrate the motion.   Please notice NO ZIGZAG. sorry.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 01:08:19 PM by Rayzor »
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #308 on: May 12, 2015, 02:41:45 PM »
If anyone has the idea how to determine the direction of Sun's motion in this video, let us know:


Identified.  That is about 11-30PM with the sun travelling right to left

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Below that video we can read these words:

The Lemaire Channel is a spectacular sight with enormous sheer cliffs falling straight into the sea. Affectionately known as "Kodak Gap," this narrow 7 mile long waterway flows between the 3,000-foot peaks of Booth Island and the peninsula Glaciers and cliffs reflected in still waters at the south end of the channel. We dropped anchor at the southern end of the channel at about 10 pm and waited for the sun to set slowly at midnight. We could see the Quark Sea Adventurer also anchored near Pleneau Island and their yellow jacketed passengers walking on a nearby ridge.



Does this mean that the Sun sets at the Northern end of Lemaire channel?

What do you think?

It sets at the southern end.

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #309 on: May 12, 2015, 04:53:54 PM »

That looks like it's misidentified. Where are other land features, like the large promontory partway up the narrow channel on the east side, and where on the map are those low hills in front of the Sun in the photo you are showing?

Why do you think the photo is taken from where the pin is instead of where it's described? "We could see the Quark Sea Adventurer also anchored near Pleneau Island and their yellow jacketed passengers walking on a nearby ridge." Pleneau Island is in the area of the map covered by the overlapping photo in your image, above. Most of the island, certainly all of the northern part where the landing sites are, would not be visible from your speculative location.

Unless we have an accurate location for the ship, we can only guess at its location based on the description given, and clues from the photos. It's described as "near Pleneau Island", and the picture of people traipsing around support the remark about them "walking on a nearby ridge". While not absolutely confirmed, this alone strongly suggests the sunset was viewed from further west than you suppose, which forecloses a clear shot up the narrow channel.

Most likely, the mountain you have picked out is east of the red arrowhead in the map view below (right of the arrowhead on the map since north is top; it's left in the photo since we're looking south). The ship would probably probably be positioned somewhere around the top of the red arrow because that's where he sunset (to the south) would be most visible, and this fits the description regarding Pleneau Island. 



Seriously, why wouldn't the makers of these videos, or, for that matter, any of what must be thousands of people to take these cruises, ever say "much to our astonishment, the Sun set in the northeast!!!" Are they all in on The ConspiracyTM? Rather than keep all those people quiet, wouldn't it would be "more secure" to simply ban tourist travel to high southern latitudes? This is all very far-fetched, and is probably the biggest weakness in your current already very weak line of argument.
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #310 on: May 12, 2015, 05:48:09 PM »


The right image is from Google Earth meaning that it was taken by satellites orbiting the Earth.  To call that image legitimate is to accept that satellites exist.  Also, the mountain in the left photo clearly bears more resemblance to the mountain below the marked point in the right image, and it's size better matches that of the mountain in the left photo too.
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See the thread about it here.

Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #311 on: May 12, 2015, 08:43:12 PM »
Well, that was easy to prove wrong, just like your zigzag.  Got anything harder?

Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #312 on: May 12, 2015, 09:52:01 PM »
These videos show boats en route to le maire channel situated amongst the islands on the western coast of the mainland of antarctica.

The route goes thru gerlache channel into neuymayer channel and then onwards in the direction of le maire channel.   The route shown in the videos is generally south west

The first of these videos begins heading towards south west towards paradise bay, shows the boat going into Paradise bay and then coming out the same direction and going into Neumayer channel.   Neuymayer channel has a zig zag but begins and ends in a southwest direction for this direction of travel.


1. Timelapse of almost one day of cruise in southwest direction.  30th of december 

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2. Similar trip thru same south west neuymayer channel and onwards into southern sunset.

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North bound thru Le maire channel

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Star princess heading southwest down Neuymayer channel  and then onwards  20 miles  (not shown) to within one mile of Le maire channel (shown) beyond which the large ship is not allowed to travel further south due to the antarctic treaty limiting large passenger ships carrying more than 500 passengers from going over the line of 65S.   Detailed explanation given by the captain near end of video.

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Interestingly you can get the entire trip thru neuymayer and lemaire channel with these two time lapse videos

Already shown, in this view you have the long journey southwest to the end of neuymayer channel with palmer station on the right on anvers island.

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And in this view the journey continues from palmer station on another trip in the morning with the sun shining from the north down le maire channel.

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In this video the man is holding a GPS showing their location at the northern end of le maire channel with a view of 'Unas tits' (0.12 and 4.04)) on the mainland at the northern end of le maire channel with the boat travelling southwest. 

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Le Maire channel Northern end

Unas tits





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Looking east in le maire channel showing unas tits at left





Le Maire channel Southern end

The steep cliff at the southern end of the channel is the east side of booth island.  Wandel peak there is 750m high going more or less straight up. 




Climbers route up east face of booth island

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #313 on: May 13, 2015, 02:47:19 AM »
North bound thru Le maire channel

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You are right, it is northbound trip through Lemaire channel.
That settles the matter!

Of course, this is a much better representation of the northbound trip thru Lemaire channel: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

We gotcha you!
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #314 on: May 13, 2015, 02:52:58 AM »
North bound thru Le maire channel

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You are right, it is northbound trip through Lemaire channel.
That settles the matter!

Of course, this is a much better representation of the northbound trip thru Lemaire channel: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

We gotcha you!

My videos show you are a troll.

Likely the same idiot troll as all of the rest of the silly flat earthers appearing on this thread.

What a stupid pointless game you are playing

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #315 on: May 13, 2015, 03:00:53 AM »
North bound thru Le maire channel

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You are right, it is northbound trip through Lemaire channel.
That settles the matter!

Of course, this is a much better representation of the northbound trip thru Lemaire channel: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

We gotcha you!

My videos show you are a troll.

Likely the same idiot troll as all of the rest of the silly flat earthers appearing on this thread.

What a stupid pointless game you are playing

What is going on with you? Are you blind or absolutely dishonest person, or just totally retarded?
"I can't breathe" George Floyd RIP

Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #316 on: May 13, 2015, 03:03:14 AM »
North bound thru Le maire channel

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You are right, it is northbound trip through Lemaire channel.
That settles the matter!

Of course, this is a much better representation of the northbound trip thru Lemaire channel: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

We gotcha you!

My videos show you are a troll.

Likely the same idiot troll as all of the rest of the silly flat earthers appearing on this thread.

What a stupid pointless game you are playing

What is going on with you? Are you blind or absolutely dishonest person, or just totally retarded?

What a sad silly person you have become

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #317 on: May 13, 2015, 03:19:04 AM »
What kind of a person are you?

Do you really believe that you can trick everyone with your stupid - simple minded, naive scams?

How can you disprove this:



Screenshot above has been taken from this video:

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #318 on: May 13, 2015, 03:32:08 AM »
What kind of a person are you?

Do you really believe that you can trick everyone with your stupid - simple minded, naive scams?

How can you disprove this:



Screenshot above has been taken from this video:

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Liar

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #319 on: May 13, 2015, 04:41:58 AM »

Of course, this is a much better representation of the northbound trip thru Lemaire channel: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

We gotcha you!

silkpajamas, you are mistaken,  ( maybe deliberately ) that video is southbound through the Lemaire Channel,   If you do a google earth fly through , you can match the mountains on the sides to the video as the ship sails south.

Where did you get the idea it was  northbound?   " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">
Was it a deliberate attempt at confusion?

Not only wrong about that,  but you're also wrong about the direction of the Lemaire channel,  it's 213 degrees,  which is south of south west.  Where did the east-west idea come from?

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #320 on: May 13, 2015, 05:22:40 AM »
Just in case you choose to dispute that video,  ( that you yourself posted )   here's another Southbound timelapse through the Lemaire Channel

https://vimeo.com/114222586   If you pause it at 0:35 you can locate the landmarks in that other sunset picture.   



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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #321 on: May 13, 2015, 05:47:31 AM »
What kind of a person are you?

Do you really believe that you can trick everyone with your stupid - simple minded, naive scams?

How can you disprove this:



Screenshot above has been taken from this video:

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Rayzor, i've got a question for you:

Which entrance into Lemaire channel is narrower?

Can this enlarged picture help you somehow:

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #322 on: May 13, 2015, 05:57:21 AM »
Why does the width of the entrance matter?  they are  roughly  the same and the width along the channel is fairly constant. 

Here is a google earth  view looking SSW from the south end of the channel,  ( which matches the description given of the sunset picture )  Google earth terrain isn't all that accurate, but it's good enough to match up with the major features in the picture.    The red line is bearing 213 degrees,  along the channel.



So that's multiple pictures, video, and maps that all prove the sunset  in Antarctic summer is in the south.   Sorry about the flat earth theory.   Time you got a new hobby.
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #323 on: May 13, 2015, 06:03:23 AM »
Why does the width of the entrance matter?  they are  roughly  the same and the width along the channel is fairly constant. 

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #324 on: May 13, 2015, 06:24:03 AM »
Why does the width of the entrance matter?  they are  roughly  the same and the width along the channel is fairly constant. 

You are roughly completely ready for a serious medical treatment!

I'll retract that statement,  they aren't roughly the same, I measure both north and south entrances at  0.6 km. 

So they are the same width.   




What was your point?   As if I think you might have a shred of honesty left.



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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #325 on: May 13, 2015, 06:27:00 AM »
By carefully watching video above, everybody can easily discern all land features which Alpha and 29silhouette have tried (unsuccessfully) to muddle them up. Sorry guys, but it seems that we just have proved (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Antarctica google maps are "so accurate" that you can throw them in the garbage right away.

No rebuttal to the description that you quoted of the ship being anchored near Pleneau Island? That puts it well away from where you say it was.

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Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.

Please describe how you concluded this? Which way do you think the Sun is setting now? Is it in the east or west?

Why does the video maker you quoted describe being anchored at the south end of the channel?

You're the one that brought this up; why the sudden change?

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #326 on: May 13, 2015, 06:54:52 AM »
Northbound thru Lemaire channel -- " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">
Wait... just half an hour and a few posts earlier you said:

Now, it is obvious that Lemaire channel (a.k.a. Kodak gap) streches from the East to the West, instead of from the South to the North.
Is it north-south again, or still obviously east-west? It seems like it's reverted, but it's hard to say. If so, that was quick!

Hey, why don't you sign up for Itchy_Arris' Voyage of DiscoveryTM. He's looking for a navigator and your directional sense may be just what they need! You're not Chinese, Russian, North Korean, middle eastern, or a U.S. Citizen, as required, and your written English is quite good. 

Apply here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63535.0
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #327 on: May 13, 2015, 07:21:07 AM »
Wow, people still argue here! My question is why so many RE'ers respond to obvious attempts of trolling?

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #328 on: May 13, 2015, 07:59:35 AM »
Wow, people still argue here! My question is why so many RE'ers respond to obvious attempts of trolling?

Good question,  is silkpajamas a troll?  To be honest,  it's hard to tell,  he  acts so dumb, that he's easily mistaken for a real flat earther.   

Of course,  that doesn't exclude the possibility that he really is as dumb as a bag of rocks, and therfore could be a real flat earther.  Proving him wrong is fun,  but not very challenging.

What about you,  Saros,  are you another troll?   Or just another flat earther?
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #329 on: May 13, 2015, 09:09:54 AM »
Good question,  is silkpajamas a troll?  To be honest,  it's hard to tell,  he  acts so dumb, that he's easily mistaken for a real flat earther.   

Of course,  that doesn't exclude the possibility that he really is as dumb as a bag of rocks, and therfore could be a real flat earther.  Proving him wrong is fun,  but not very challenging.

What about you,  Saros,  are you another troll?   Or just another flat earther?

I think that, unlike most of the flat earth proponents, he actually does believe a lot of the stuff he says here. He sure puts a lot of effort into it, anyway, what with all those videos he makes and searches out, annotated images, and experiments.

The experiments so far have always failed to prove his point, but at least he is trying something, which is good, unlike, say, sceptimatic, who professes to "use his logic [sic] and think about things" to understand the world[nb]sceptimatic also claims to build models and conduct research, but I can't recall where he ever presented any evidence that he actually has done more than sit on his butt. But then he claims a lot of implausible things, some of which he later denies saying.[/nb]. At any rate, unlike some, at least cikljamas is entertaining and even thought-provoking at times, especially when he devises a "devastating" new argument or experiment that can't be dismissed in a trice.

The frequent attempts at reanimating long-ago debunked topics with huge slabs of copy-pasta and/or dozens of links to thoroughly discredited ideas do get tedious.
 
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