It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3990 on: November 24, 2015, 01:19:37 AM »
I find it fascinating how half a dozen more or less intelligent people desperately try to talk sense to a bully who doesn't care for content at all but is just flinging poo in every direction and delights in the attention he gets through that ...

... I hate to tell you all, but PL is the only winner in this thread.
Papa Legba is the winner because he's being realistic. He's trying to tell you that rockets do NOT work in your space and instead of sitting there and thinking about all of what has been said by Papa and a few other's - including myself, you want to try and flex your supposed scientific prowess.

Instead of fighting the fight, try and clear your mind of the absolute garbage fed into it - for now - and look at what and why things are said that goes against mainstream indoctrinated so called science.
You will never gain a serious questioning mind of you carry on being a mainstream YES person who simply follows the masses under severe peer pressure, because life is so much simpler, doing so.

Now, just to get back to the simple basics.
Rockets work well in atmosphere, especially dense atmosphere. They use up their fuel in short order due to the continuous burn required at FULL thrust against atmospheric resistance/barrier to push the mass of the rocket vertically into the sky.

Search your brain and find the part where common sense and logic is hiding, because it's there, so grab it and use it.
Once you do this, you will see how silly it is for a supposed space rocket to have an internal combustion chamber to supposedly propel it vertically into the sky.
Understand that an internal combustion chamber (liquid fuel) is only worthwhile for operating something mechanical like a propeller or drive shafts - you know - stuff like that.

So the simple logical, common sense thought on rockets should be used to see that what is ejected  out of it, MUST hit a barrier, CONSTANTLY, for that ejection of fuel to have any effect on pushing a rocket into the sky.

Now here's a really simple analogy of how a rocket stacks it's ejected burning fuel against atmospheric resistance.
Think of a telescopic aerial on a car. Notice how that aerial gets thinner and thinner as it opens up. Why is this?
It's because the higher something goes, the stronger the base has to be and the stronger each section has to be as it rises.
Think of that aerial as a rocket taking off and expelling it's fuel against atmosphere. You see a thicker plume at the bottom that sort of builds  like a thinning tower of exhaust.
It's like a telescopic aerial just constantly opening up until the fuel is spent or energy ceases.

That's a simplistic analogy and I do realise that most tefal heads do not do analogies because they are too basic and simplistically logical to decipher.

Anyway, in a nutshell, space rockets are for the TV and fantasy comic books, etc. The prison you are locked into is not such a bad place, even if you can't escape it. It would be a better place if we didn't  get lied to all the time and made to believe in amazing bullshit and also scare  tactics employed against us, day after day.

I think I've covered  the basic.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 01:30:00 AM by sceptimatic »

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3991 on: November 24, 2015, 01:22:41 AM »
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I find it fascinating how half a dozen more or less intelligent people desperately try to talk sense to a bully who doesn't care for content at all but is just flinging poo in every direction and delights in the attention he gets through that ...

... I hate to tell you all, but PL is the only winner in this thread.

you are 100% correct
but
many people are here for the argument itself

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Yet again, I'll just leave this here for easy reference & the education of Walter 'mainframes' Mitty:

[Quote from: tomfi on 23 November 2015, 10:20:20]
To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in

The lure of a well though out argument is just too much for many.

Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3992 on: November 24, 2015, 01:34:13 AM »
hi Papa
here, this also are for reference of how dumb u are:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/Propulsion.pdf
http://ae.sharif.edu/~prop/Hill%20Peterson%201992%20Mechanics%20and%20thermodynamics%20of%20propulsion.pdf

oh, sorry,  i've almost forgotten, I must call u Cindy.
hope u're not gonna go cry in the shower cause i've forgotten your name.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 01:36:10 AM by luckyfred »

Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3993 on: November 24, 2015, 01:41:53 AM »

Understand that an internal combustion chamber  is only worthwhile for operating something mechanical like a propeller or drive shafts - you know - stuff like that.


basically u are disproving also ramjet and pulsejet. actually also jet engine....
how long before u're gonna disprove the model T?
ahahahahahaahahah

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3994 on: November 24, 2015, 02:11:47 AM »
[Quote from: tomfi on 23 November 2015, 10:20:20]
To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in

The fact that you deliberately butchered this quote of Newton's 3rd is conclusive proof of your intellectual dishonesty.

It is also Shill-Tactics 101.

Thanks, shill!

Blah blah blah blah blah bullshit blah...

Funny how you went on & on & on & on about ME 'avoiding' your inane questions, yet you avoid mine with impunity.

That, of course, is also Shill-Tactics 101.

Thanks, shill!

Btw; here is my question:

Now; back to the fun and games: How many Objects is A Rocket (singular noun)?

And here is the full, inconvenient version of Newton's 3rd that you all want to go away:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

LOL!!!

What utter, utter Losers you all are...

Still, as ever; Carry On Lying!
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 02:13:45 AM by Papa Legba »
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3995 on: November 24, 2015, 02:34:07 AM »
Papa. This can go back and forth to all of eternity.

Your interpretation of Newtons law contradicts the laws claimed positive by people who are actually designing and building not just rockets, but jet engines, car engines and everything else.
Before you can convince anyone that you are right you will need some credentials to prove you know what you are talking about.

Large claims require large amounts of evidence - All you have are large claims

I would rather believe the engineers responsible of actual working things opposed to some random guy on the internet opposing them.


Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3996 on: November 24, 2015, 02:47:47 AM »

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3997 on: November 24, 2015, 02:53:37 AM »
Large claims require large amounts of evidence

Evidence?

Okay; here's evidence of you deliberately butchering a quotation of Newton's 3rd in order to obscure how your claims violate it:

[Quote from: tomfi on 23 November 2015, 10:20:20]
To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in

Also, I have provided vast amounts of evidence throughout this thread in support of my position, as well as simple experiments anyone can try at home.

If you'd read it all, rather than just dropping in at random to shitpost, you'd know this.

So; please read the entire thread before responding.

Or just Carry On Lying...

Makes no odds to me.

Oh, & Soulblood/Rayzor/ausGeoff: thank you for the insight into how your Troll-kind waste people's time & fritter away lives.

Very educational; you must feel so proud of yourself!

Oh, excuse me; your selves...
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3998 on: November 24, 2015, 03:08:46 AM »
cindy...
either u're a troll or u're ignorant.
in both cases my answer is the same. u'll find everything u need here:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/Propulsion.pdf
http://ae.sharif.edu/~prop/Hill%20Peterson%201992%20Mechanics%20and%20thermodynamics%20of%20propulsion.pdf

read them, if there's something u don't understand feel free to ask.

good day little girl.

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #3999 on: November 24, 2015, 04:23:16 AM »
in both cases my answer is the same.

What answer?

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/Propulsion.pdf
http://ae.sharif.edu/~prop/Hill%20Peterson%201992%20Mechanics%20and%20thermodynamics%20of%20propulsion.pdf[/url

More malware-infested links?

No thanks!

read them

You REALLY want me to download your malware. don't you?

But again; No Thanks!

if there's something u don't understand feel free to ask.

Okay; I don't understand why you're trying to get me to download malware...

LOL!!!

Yes I do!

good day little girl.

Like little girls, do you?

Oookay... *walks slowly backwards whilst phoning police*

Anyhoo; this is the very simple question all the Raown Derfer trolls don't want to answer:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

And here is the full, inconvenient version of Newton's 3rd that they all want to go away:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it includes the number Two.

Anyone care to answer?

Toodle-pip, Losers!

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4000 on: November 24, 2015, 04:57:48 AM »
oh cindy u're funny.
u don't trust the links.
ok search Hill Peterson Mechanics and Thermodynamics of Propulsion
read, learn and enjoy what knowledge means.
as always feel free to ask if something is not clear
good day

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4001 on: November 24, 2015, 05:07:32 AM »
feel free to ask if something is not clear

Feel free to answer this question, psycho-troll:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Bearing in mind this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it includes the number Two.
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4002 on: November 24, 2015, 05:28:45 AM »
feel free to ask if something is not clear

Feel free to answer this question, psycho-troll:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Bearing in mind this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it includes the number Two.

Are we counting rivets as well....?

Do individual molecules count....?
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4003 on: November 24, 2015, 05:31:49 AM »
Many parts make up a rocket

You use the phrase 'A rocket'; does this not give you a clue as to how many objects 'A rocket' in fact is?

What with it being a Singular Noun and all?
It depends on what kind of rocket you're talking about.  A simple bottle rocket might have 3 or 4 parts while a modern liquid fuel rocket might have several thousand parts.  Either way, all rockets boil down to burning fuel and oxidizer in a combustion chamber and directing the exhaust gasses out the back.


http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/Propulsion.pdf
http://ae.sharif.edu/~prop/Hill%20Peterson%201992%20Mechanics%20and%20thermodynamics%20of%20propulsion.pdf[/url

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4004 on: November 24, 2015, 05:32:49 AM »
yes, it is one.

Good; a rocket is ONE object.

So how, when it ignites its exhaust & becomes ONE object creating an action, thus fulfilling the dictates of Newton's 2nd Law only, does it somehow become TWO objects in order to fulfil the dictates of Newton's 3rd Law?

Remember this?

To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions.

*Yawn!*
Why are you discussing how a rocket works here when there is plenty of information online?

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4005 on: November 24, 2015, 05:33:59 AM »
Yep; you're all shit-scared of answering a question so simple any child could do it, namely:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Bearing in mind this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it includes the number Two.

LOL!!!
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4006 on: November 24, 2015, 05:45:52 AM »
Yep; you're all shit-scared of answering a question so simple any child could do it, namely:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Bearing in mind this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it includes the number Two.

LOL!!!

What is an object....?
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4007 on: November 24, 2015, 05:47:26 AM »
How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?
The reason why no one is answering is because it is too many too count.
The heaviest components, the fuel is also shown here

Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4008 on: November 24, 2015, 05:48:47 AM »
Still waiting u're answer about v2 and de laval nozzle.... Cindy


Hope u're having fun as well Cause I find u soo hilarious.

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4009 on: November 24, 2015, 05:55:14 AM »
What is an object....?

LOL!!!

Mainframes shows his lack of understanding of Newtonian definitions yet again...

The shitposts are Flooding in!!!

Every normal person reading this will know exactly what my question means; I can do nothing for abnormal readers though.

Again:

How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Because I only count One.

Then consider this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Objects; i.e. bodies.

Any non-trolls care to reply?
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4010 on: November 24, 2015, 05:57:00 AM »
Oh look, no answer. Who's the troll Cindy?


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4011 on: November 24, 2015, 06:08:16 AM »
Definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

So; I ask yet again:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

Because I only count One.

Then consider this:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

Any non-trolls care to reply?

Because none have yet...

I wonder why?

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4012 on: November 24, 2015, 06:15:25 AM »
Papa is so scared of the simple questions he is peeing his pants.
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4013 on: November 24, 2015, 06:22:20 AM »
No answer again? Who's the troll?

I need to stop laughing, I can't breath ahahahahahaha
Papa today u're amazing, thank u

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4014 on: November 24, 2015, 06:22:33 AM »
How many Objects is a rocket (singular noun)?

Because I only count One.
How many objects is a house? 

How many objects does it take to make a house?

Subtle but significant difference.

Sure, a rocket is one object, but that one object is made up of a number of component objects.

A loaded gun is one object that includes a gun and a round of ammo in the chamber.

A round of ammo is one object that includes a cartridge, primer, propellant and a bullet.

See, singular things are made up of a number of component things.

Are we working our way back to your objects A, B and P drivel again?

Or have you run out of technical arguments and have been deduced to arguing semantics?
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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4015 on: November 24, 2015, 06:27:11 AM »
So apparently it is 2015 and we are all a little closer to be owning a spaceship.

Blue origin, happened to launch their penis shaped rocket today and reach 100km altitude. Although it is not orbital, it is technically still space.
This rocket is fully reusable, and in its current configuration, it would most probably only be used for tourist joy rides. The reusable part should make it affordable to millions of people.
I am sure the view of earth from 100km up is not too bad
here is the video of them launching yesterday
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If you are a FET person, I know it looks fake to you. We get it.

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4016 on: November 24, 2015, 06:45:17 AM »
Sure, a rocket is one object, but

No 'buts'; that's all I need from your shitposting self.

have you run out of technical arguments and have been deduced to arguing semantics?

LOL!!!

I am trying to argue basic physics, psycho...

YOU are all trying to stop me.


Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

This is not semantics, markjo; it is science.

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4017 on: November 24, 2015, 06:53:10 AM »
some random guy on the internet used nothing but bad interpretation and words to create science that changes everything about how we view the universe! Quick!, someone call the Nobel Science Prize guys!

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4018 on: November 24, 2015, 07:00:13 AM »
Whatever...

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

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Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
« Reply #4019 on: November 24, 2015, 07:11:41 AM »
You could always try to explain how the force is transferred from the air to the rocket. Or just keep pending your pants.

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