It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

Have you been to Australia? Maybe, maybe not.
Can you go there? Of course you can.

Have you been to space? No.
Can you go there? No.

Theoretically, I could: it's just much harder to become an astronaut than it is to buy a plane ticket.

It's also worth pointing out how that's nothing like Papa Legba's argument. He wasn't talking about "Can you..." he repeatedly said "Have you...?"

More whining, lies, diversion & laughably pompous comparisons of Australia to space.

You just won't give that one up will you?

No matter how idiotic it makes you look.

And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.

No; the point is: have you been to space?

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...

i wouldn't be too fussed about Papa Legless,  he's off on a bank holiday weekend bender.   I am a bit curious about his obsession with Australia tho?   Probably still shell shocked after being beaten in the World Cup by Bangladesh.

Just to set the record straight,  video evidence is admissible in court these days, so in a court of law all the video from the ISS would be admissible, and the hundreds of thousands of photographs and mountains of scientific evidence would be also be admissible.    For the opposition,  they would probably roll out a few known loonies of the likes of Bart Sibrel,  I seriously doubt they would damage their credibility by trotting out any flat earthers, knowing that would make them a laughing stock. 

The flat earth society forums seem to be a natural target for trolls,  just google "trolling the flat earth society forum"  and you will get lots of examples where people have bragged about trolling here.

More whining, lies, diversion & laughably pompous comparisons of Australia to space.

You just won't give that one up will you?

No matter how idiotic it makes you look.

And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.

No; the point is: have you been to space?

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...

Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No, I haven't been to space. Neither have I been to Scotland, North Korea, Puerto Rico or Chile.
Do the latter places exist? Should I take other people's words for the existence and nature of the latter places?

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

Yes.

I have seen the International Space Station fly over head, I have used GPS to find my location (which uses satellites), I have seen the Apollo 11 capsule in the Smithsonian, I have seen a Space Shittle, I have had satellite TV, I have seen weather predictions made with the help of satellites come true, there is a live feed from the International Space Station broadcasting 24/7, and the list goes on and on.

Bijane states that theoretically she could go to space.

'Theoretically'; indeed.

So, Bijane; you pop along to the theoretical space-travel agent, buy a theoretical space-ticket, jump on a theoretical rocket, whiz up to the theoretical ISS, have a lovely, floaty time with the happy, smiley theoretical folk up there (& don't forget to look out for all the dead people!), then jump back into your theoretical rocket for a gentle theoretical splashdown, whereupon you can return here to triumphantly vanquish me & banish me from the forum.

Or dress me in an orange jump-suit & behead me, or whatever it is that religious fundamentalists do to heretics these days.

Somehow, I doubt any of the above will be happening any time soon...

Seriously; I don't NEED to troll you - you troll yourselves pretty much every time you post.

And, again, please do learn to read; I asked for 1st-hand witness evidence, i.e. you personally witnessed space travel.

Looking at lights in the sky, crummy videos & junk in museums does not count.

But I'll try to keep it even simpler in future, due to your obvious special needs; so: HAVE. YOU. BEEN. TO. SPACE?

No. But I concede other peoples expertise in the area of astrophysics.

Bijane states that theoretically she could go to space.

'Theoretically'; indeed.

You are aware of theoretically means, right? If I was so inclined, I could enter training to become an astronaut/cosmonaut and might be able to end up in space. Those people aren't chosen at birth. I just don't have any wish to. Sure, it's harder: never said it wasn't.

And, again, please do learn to read; I asked for 1st-hand witness evidence, i.e. you personally witnessed space travel.

And you've been shown how the lack of it doesn't mean anything. Australia, yet again. I've repeatedly asked you why your logic does not apply there. What trait, specifically, is the problem? How many times do I have to ask you to get an answer? I've answered your question, please answer mine.

I am being called a troll for asking one simple question.

Meanwhile, the space cadets on this forum have claimed:

* That there are dead people in space,

* That Australia is the same as space (repeatedly & vehemently).

* That eating 'fesces' is somehow relevant to going to space (Markjo; your coprophagia fetish is duly noted. It explains your avatar at any rate).

* That Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.

* Plus many more inanities & diversions which I can't even be bothered looking back to check up on.

What's more, I have been consistent in my stance throughout; unlike they, who appear to be simply hurling as much mud at me as possible in the hope that something eventually sticks.

So. I ask you: who's acting more like a troll?

They or I?

But whatever; enough of such musings...

Because now I'm here I may as well ask again; have any of you been to space yet?

Do any of you have 1st-hand experience of this thing which you're so very, very certain is real?

You know; the kind of thing you'd need if you were to appear as a witness in court & didn't want your testimony to be thrown out for being merely 'hearsay'?

Because I don't believe any of you have.

And therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Has anyone here ever met Papa Legba face to face? So can anyone prove Papa REALLY exists? I think not!

And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to humor me and give a few.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.

What makes you think that high school physics is enough launch a space ship?

No; the point is: have you been to space?

No, but I've never been to Australia either.

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

No, but I don't have any first-hand experience that Australia exists either.

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...

Yes, almost as tiresome as dealing with atheistic zealots.

Looking at lights in the sky, crummy videos & junk in museums does not count.

If you look at the International Space Station with a telescope then you can see it's shape, and videos do prove something if they are transmitted using satellites.  My phone can communicate with GPS satellites to figure out it's location and that's impossible unless there are actually satellites orbiting the Earth.

By the way, I have not been to space.  That proves nothing though.

Imagine the scene in the courtroom:

Prosecutor: 'What evidence do you have for space travel, Mr. Nerdgasm?'

Witness: ' My television works.'

Prosecutor: 'Inconclusive; anything else?'

Witness: 'I see lights in the sky.'

Prosecutor: 'Still inconclusive. Let me rephrase the question; have you been to space?'

Witness: 'Have you been to Australia?'

Prosecutor: 'Irrelevant. Have you been to space?'

Witness: 'Space is like eating faeces.'

Judge (interrupting): 'Will the witness please answer the question?'

Witness: 'HAVE YOU BEEN TO AUSTRALIA???'

Judge: 'Contempt of court! Seven days remand. Bailiff, escort the prisoner to a padded cell.'

Which pretty much sums up all your arguments thus far.

Of course, this is not a courtroom, but I assure you that the neutral readers out there are a form of jury.

And they will not be on your side.

Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?

Frankly, you're lucky I choose to respond to you at all after your irrelevant & disgusting coprophagia posts.

They, and your diaper-inspecting animal avatar, say a lot about you.

But enough of all that; has anyone here actually been to space yet?

Except 'theoretically', of course...

Here is how I think it would go:

Prosecutor: What proof do you have that space travel is real?

Witness: I can see the International Space Station flying overhead.

Prosecutor: How do you know that that's the International Space Station?

Witness: I can look at it with my telescope and see it's shape, also it could not cover as much ground as it does unless it's traveling 17,000 miles per hour.

Prosecutor: Do you have any other proof?

Witness: I regularly communicate with satellites for TV and GPS, and there are also satellite phones which can work even if there are no cell towers around.

Prosecutor: Is that everything?

Witness: Nope.  Rocket launches are public events which anyone can watch and in order for them to be fake you would need to have literally tens of millions of conspirators and that's a conservative estimate.  All employees of all space egancues both commercial and government who work with rockets would have to be in on it and also every private contractor who works with space agencies would have to be managed and staffed by conspirators.

Prosecutor: What does this prove?

Witness: The only way to keep a conspiracy going is to let as few people know about it as possible, but what your suggesting is that at least 1 out of every 100 people would be in on the conspiracy, and that's just what's needed to fake space travel excluding those who would need to be conspirators to make everyone believe that the Earth is round if the Earth were flat.

Prosecutor: Well...  Ummm...  The Earth kind of looks flat.


What conclusion do you think the jury would come to after hearing that?

To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?

To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?

We've told you many times, nobody here has been to space. You are correct. However, personal verification is not the only way to prove something exists. I've never been to Greenland. How do I know it exists? Because people talk about it, have pictures of it and I see it on TV and other reliable sources. There are many witness reports and in order to fake it hundreds of people would have to be paid off.
Now, replace "Greenland" with "space".

To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?

Haven't we shown enough times that the logic you are using is flawed?
All those Australia shenanigans.

By the way, how high would you constitute "space"?

And it is normal for mikeman to be humourless, as he has Aspergers. just to let ya know.

Hi Papa Legba! Many of us have answered your question. How long is it going to be before you actually answer mine?

Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.

 

Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.

But will you acknowledge the fact that we have shown your logic to be flawed?

i.e. That saying because one hasn't been to a location, then one cannot claim any knowledge whatsoever.
Is that correct?

Because we have shown that when we insert Australia, for example, as the location unvisited, that the logic is unsound. Why should this not be the same with the location and accessibility of space?

Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.

I chose Greenland since I doubt anyone here has been there, therefore it is a better analogy than Australia.

The reason we keep using the analogies is to show YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED. You can not decide that space does not exist simply because we have not been there. Here is a list of evidence space exists:
1. Rocket launches are public events, where do the rockets go if not to space?
2. I have personally seen the ISS and a number of different satellites with a telescope.
3. I have observed various planets with a telescope.
4. I PERSONALLY saw the meteorite come down in Russia. Please explain that.
5. There is no problem with the laws of physics that don't allow space to exist.

I can come up with some more evidence if you want.

Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?

If you're saying that space flight violates all laws of physics, then why don't you start by explaining just how it violates each of Newton's 3 laws of motion?  I remind you that there is a difference between claiming something and explaining something.

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 03, 2015, 09:23:40 PM

Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?

If you're saying that space flight violates all laws of physics, then why don't you start by explaining just how it violates each of Newton's 3 laws of motion?  I remind you that there is a difference between claiming something and explaining something.

And if you didn't mean that, start by explaining how it violates ANY laws of physics.

It has become more than obvious by now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a troll with far too much time on his hands.  I suggest people just ignore his puerile posts and nonsensical pseudo-logic, and hopefully he will just go away and avoid embarrassing himself even further.

And why is it that the moderators don't ban intellectually-challenged people who have absolutely nothing positive to contribute to these forums, and whose sole purpose is to insult peoples' intelligence and/or starting flame wars?  Do not the moderators care?

It has become more than obvious by now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a troll with far too much time on his hands.  I suggest people just ignore his puerile posts and nonsensical pseudo-logic, and hopefully he will just go away and avoid embarrassing himself even further.

He's the one who comes across as the stubborn dolt in this "discussion". The best thing that could happen for him would be for his "argument" to simply be forgotten. For that to happen, he has to move on. Every time he stubbornly repeats the same nonsense, it's right back front and center for all to see and most to laugh at.

And why is it that the moderators don't ban intellectually-challenged people who have absolutely nothing positive to contribute to these forums, and whose sole purpose is to insult peoples' intelligence and/or starting flame wars?  Do not the moderators care?

This is the Flat Earth Society. Its target audience is intellectually-challenged people and those who pretend to be for the fun of it. If you ban these guys, no one would promote the rather strange notion that the Earth is flat, and there would be no ignorance, flawed logic, and poor math for the rest of us to point out. Sometimes these are obvious, sometimes hard to see immediately, but always there, which makes participation fun and sometimes educational.

Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Actually I've been asking why, specifically, you're rejecting the analogy as irrelevant. Have been for a while.

To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

To: everyone else.
You seem to be under the impression that this is some form of 'debate'; it is not.

It is a massacre.

You know, after what I was told about mikeman.nasa.gov - & with me being such a sympatico guy - I've been researching Asperger's syndrome...

And judging by the symptoms I'd say you've ALL got it.

But wtf is a 'hugbox'?

Do any of you own one?

Anyhoo, enough of that; anyone popped up to space while I was gone? Don't tell me you all wasted a beautiful bank holiday monday spewing out ignorant, pompous posts on a forum you don't like & you're not welcome on?

Some might consider that trolling... It's certainly a tragic waste of your life at any rate!

But don't worry, I won't report you to the moderators; cos no-one likes a tattle-tale do they?

Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

Oh, & ZennerOne/ausGeoff - LOL!

To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

Tappet answered in a way which undercuts your point, so if you want to go with that answer, feel free, but you'll need to stop repeating yourself. You know your question's been answered, right?
You have never answered. You've just blithely handwaved and "Australia isn't space!" Great, I never claimed it was. What, specifically, makes not having gone to Australia less of an issue than not having gone to space?

Bijane: you are comedy gold.

Now go to bed.

Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

WHAT.

DOES.

IT.

MATTER?

To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

To: everyone else.
You seem to be under the impression that this is some form of 'debate'; it is not.

It is a massacre.

You know, after what I was told about mikeman.nasa.gov - & with me being such a sympatico guy - I've been researching Asperger's syndrome...

And judging by the symptoms I'd say you've ALL got it.

But wtf is a 'hugbox'?

Do any of you own one?

Anyhoo, enough of that; anyone popped up to space while I was gone? Don't tell me you all wasted a beautiful bank holiday monday spewing out ignorant, pompous posts on a forum you don't like & you're not welcome on?

Some might consider that trolling... It's certainly a tragic waste of your life at any rate!

But don't worry, I won't report you to the moderators; cos no-one likes a tattle-tale do they?

Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

Oh, & ZennerOne/ausGeoff - LOL!

Jesus Christ you are one stubborn idiot.
This is indeed a massacre, we have proven your points useless many times and you convieniently ignored my proof of space.
We have proved space exists and none of us have been there.